Cards are really sitting good. Who need free agency.

[Cbus cardsfan]

Who needs this free agency garbage. The Cards roster is loaded with potential and I think they'll be the surprise team on 2013. Bruce Arians, the best coach never hire before the age of 60 will lead the way.

Who need guys like the following:
Jake Long: Who needs a pro bowl LT when you have Nate Potter. Hey, he looked good compared to Batiste. Plus, who knows, we may draft Reid Fragel in round 6 this year. He looked good in Indy.

Jared Cook: if we get stuck in a pickle at the TE position, Todd Heap is local and just a phone call away.

Andy Levitre: Psssh. Nate Potter can play guard if needed. Plus we have 12 OL coaches to get the most out of Colledge and Snyder.

Chris Wells: Man, I reaaly like what I saw from Ryan Williams back in the 2010 camp. Plus, he showed real promise in the 23 carries over the past 2 years before landing on IR. Then we also have Smith and Powell. All they need is a chance and we'll never regret passing on AP again. I mean, heck, Powell led the league in rushing last pre-season.

Daniel Ellerbe: Once Larry Foote re-signed in Pittsburgh, the ILB market was dried up. Ellerbe could never fit in the plans because he is under the age of 30.

Paul Kruger: THIS, is the year Schoefield breaks out. I've got him penciled in for 3-4 sacks if he stays healthy. No need for a guy like Kruger. Plus, I think Nate Potter can rush the passer in a pinch.

Any QB: we have Brian Hoyer locked up, what else is needed? Anyone else is only vying for a backup job. The Cards website say Hoyer would have been in hot demand and they were lucky to keep him.

At least we are looking at some good STer's. We'll need some good kickoff coverage after all those TD's we score. I think Nate Potter can play ST's as well.

Once we draft Eric Fisher and Matt Barkely, the sky is the limit for your 2013 Arizona Cardinals.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Oops. I do have to give them credit for signing backup safety Rashard Johnson and keeping that talent off the market. Who knows, if he hit the open market the bidding war between Cleveland and Jax could have reached the hundreds of thousands for his services.


Btw, if you want to read a hot garbage propoganda piece on free agency, read Urban's article on the subject. He obviously is the mouthpiece for the Cards and the article shows why they stink at free agency.

 

[BW52]

Will you enlighten us on the new rules that say a team can`t make any moves after the first 12 hours of free agency.Of course the sky has fallen and its the end of life as we know it since the Cards didn`t run out and sign 5 or 6 players.Oh the horror!!!!!!

 

[GatorAZ]

Who exactly are you blaming for this? Arians inherited these players and salaries. We have to give the guy some time.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Will you enlighten us on the new rules that say a team can`t make any moves after the first 12 hours of free agency.Of course the sky has fallen and its the end of life as we know it since the Cards didn`t run out and sign 5 or 6 players.Oh the horror!!!!!!

Yes, the Cards approach to free agency has been stellar over the years. Why do you think the best players get snapped up at the beginning? The Cards approach is to wait and then throw money at garbage like Bradley, Snyder, and Colledge. That's worked out pretty well. I'm not clamoring to go out and sign superstars but if you don't think players like Cook and Levitre or Bushrod could help the team, then I don't know what to say.

The Cards are in on Drew Stanton and Josh Cribbs so eveything is good.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

Who needs this free agency garbage. The Cards roster is loaded with potential and I think they'll be the surprise team on 2013. Bruce Arians, the best coach never hire before the age of 60 will lead the way.

Who need guys like the following:
Jake Long: Who needs a pro bowl LT when you have Nate Potter. Hey, he looked good compared to Batiste. Plus, who knows, we may draft Reid Fragel in round 6 this year. He looked good in Indy.

Jared Cook: if we get stuck in a pickle at the TE position, Todd Heap is local and just a phone call away.

Andy Levitre: Psssh. Nate Potter can play guard if needed. Plus we have 12 OL coaches to get the most out of Colledge and Snyder.

Chris Wells: Man, I reaaly like what I saw from Ryan Williams back in the 2010 camp. Plus, he showed real promise in the 23 carries over the past 2 years before landing on IR. Then we also have Smith and Powell. All they need is a chance and we'll never regret passing on AP again. I mean, heck, Powell led the league in rushing last pre-season.

Daniel Ellerbe: Once Larry Foote re-signed in Pittsburgh, the ILB market was dried up. Ellerbe could never fit in the plans because he is under the age of 30.

Paul Kruger: THIS, is the year Schoefield breaks out. I've got him penciled in for 3-4 sacks if he stays healthy. No need for a guy like Kruger. Plus, I think Nate Potter can rush the passer in a pinch.

Any QB: we have Brian Hoyer locked up, what else is needed? Anyone else is only vying for a backup job. The Cards website say Hoyer would have been in hot demand and they were lucky to keep him.

At least we are looking at some good STer's. We'll need some good kickoff coverage after all those TD's we score. I think Nate Potter can play ST's as well.

Once we draft Eric Fisher and Matt Barkely, the sky is the limit for your 2013 Arizona Cardinals.

While I completely disagree with you about needing to make a splash early, this is some funny sh...tuff.

 

[Chopper0080]

Who exactly are you blaming for this? Arians inherited these players and salaries. We have to give the guy some time.

Yeah, he inherited a roster with Larry Fitzgerald, Calais Campbell, Darnell Dockett, Sam Acho, Daryl Washington, Patrick Peterson, Kerry Rhodes and Adrian Wilson. That is a tough roster to work with.

Before we started cleaving the roster, all we needed was to find a QB, upgrade the offensive line, and find a rush OLB. Now we need to fill self-created holes on the defense, at RB, and still fill the above mentioned needs. We are intentionally trying to ice skate up hill.

 

[WildBB]

Yes, the Cards approach to free agency has been stellar over the years. Why do you think the best players get snapped up at the beginning? The Cards approach is to wait and then throw money at garbage like Bradley, Snyder, and Colledge. That's worked out pretty well. I'm not clamoring to go out and sign superstars but if you don't think players like Cook and Levitre or Bushrod could help the team, then I don't know what to say.

The Cards are in on Drew Stanton and Josh Cribbs so eveything is good.

:championship:

 

[WildBB]

Yeah, he inherited a roster with Larry Fitzgerald, Calais Campbell, Darnell Dockett, Sam Acho, Daryl Washington, Patrick Peterson, Kerry Rhodes and Adrian Wilson. That is a tough roster to work with.

Before we started cleaving the roster, all we needed was to find a QB, upgrade the offensive line, and find a rush OLB. Now we need to fill self-created holes on the defense, at RB, and still fill the above mentioned needs. We are intentionally trying to ice skate up hill.

The writing was on the wall for AW. The rest are the core now. That could change next yr. as well. We Move on.

 

[TJ]

Someone please convince me as to how Potter, an undersized tackle, can slide to guard and be successful.

Simply put, I don't see it. I actually think he can be an adequate backup tackle as long as he gets stronger.

 

[SoCal Cardfan]

We hired a coach, who if all 32 teams had fired their staff after last year, would have had two realistic job opportunities (Us and the Colts)

The only FA's we get this year are the typical "time to cash out" long in the tooth vets.
Maybe we get Mendenhall as a token under 30 pickup.

 

[unseenaz]

Teams who have made a spash early have historically over paid guys. I honestly think we're letting to feild play out a bit then get discounts on guys later on. The great teams have been doing it for years. The Patriots always seem to get a guy late in free agency on the cheap that turns into a role player.

 

[MadCardDisease]

Who needs this free agency garbage. The Cards roster is loaded with potential and I think they'll be the surprise team on 2013. Bruce Arians, the best coach never hire before the age of 60 will lead the way.

Who need guys like the following:
Jake Long: Who needs a pro bowl LT when you have Nate Potter. Hey, he looked good compared to Batiste. Plus, who knows, we may draft Reid Fragel in round 6 this year. He looked good in Indy.

Jared Cook: if we get stuck in a pickle at the TE position, Todd Heap is local and just a phone call away.

Andy Levitre: Psssh. Nate Potter can play guard if needed. Plus we have 12 OL coaches to get the most out of Colledge and Snyder.

Chris Wells: Man, I reaaly like what I saw from Ryan Williams back in the 2010 camp. Plus, he showed real promise in the 23 carries over the past 2 years before landing on IR. Then we also have Smith and Powell. All they need is a chance and we'll never regret passing on AP again. I mean, heck, Powell led the league in rushing last pre-season.

Daniel Ellerbe: Once Larry Foote re-signed in Pittsburgh, the ILB market was dried up. Ellerbe could never fit in the plans because he is under the age of 30.

Paul Kruger: THIS, is the year Schoefield breaks out. I've got him penciled in for 3-4 sacks if he stays healthy. No need for a guy like Kruger. Plus, I think Nate Potter can rush the passer in a pinch.

Any QB: we have Brian Hoyer locked up, what else is needed? Anyone else is only vying for a backup job. The Cards website say Hoyer would have been in hot demand and they were lucky to keep him.

At least we are looking at some good STer's. We'll need some good kickoff coverage after all those TD's we score. I think Nate Potter can play ST's as well.

Once we draft Eric Fisher and Matt Barkely, the sky is the limit for your 2013 Arizona Cardinals.

Wake me up when you return from La La Land.

Long will get over $10M per year

Cook got $7M per year

Ellerbe got $7M per year

Kruger got $8.2M per year

Levitre got $7.7M per year

There is no way the Cardinals could afford any of those guys. We have way too many holes to blow our limited cap space on one player.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

Teams who have made a spash early have historically over paid guys. I honestly think we're letting to feild play out a bit then get discounts on guys later on. The great teams have been doing it for years. The Patriots always seem to get a guy late in free agency on the cheap that turns into a role player.

Agreed. There's an interesting article on this very thought on espn.

The Dumbest Day of the NFL Year
Risky big-money contracts? It must be the first day of free agency in football.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9046691/bill-barnwell-first-day-nfl-free-agency

 

[kerouac9]

There is no way the Cardinals could afford any of those guys. We have way too many holes to blow our limited cap space on one player.

Wait: someone told me that a team could make any deal happen under the cap. I mean, I was told that Joe Flacco is averaging $20M per season, but is only getting a $1M salary in 2013. Who was that guy?

Cbus: great post. This particularly made me LOL:

Powell led the league in rushing last pre-season.

 

[52brandon]

Yeah, he inherited a roster with Larry Fitzgerald, Calais Campbell, Darnell Dockett, Sam Acho, Daryl Washington, Patrick Peterson, Kerry Rhodes and Adrian Wilson. That is a tough roster to work with.

Before we started cleaving the roster, all we needed was to find a QB, upgrade the offensive line, and find a rush OLB. Now we need to fill self-created holes on the defense, at RB, and still fill the above mentioned needs. We are intentionally trying to ice skate up hill.

he did get some great players. What he didn't get, was money to work with. FA isn't gonna be much... we simply can't afford it. Guys that seem logical to cut, wont help with the cap. Much at least.


OP. You seem to really "like" Potter. He had a good year and is a super cheap 7th round pick. Don't see any reason to panic over him

 

[Snakester]

Its a little early in free agency to get upset yet but losing both Toler and Groves already doesn't look good for Keim. If we land Conner Barwin and a good CB like Sean Smith or DRC we will forget about Toler and Groves. If we go into the draft needing OL. CB and pass rusher then I will be calling for Keims head. As for a QB the best guys out there are Fitzpatrick and Leinart. I think we get our franchise guy next year.

 

[Chopper0080]

he did get some great players. What he didn't get, was money to work with. FA isn't gonna be much... we simply can't afford it. Guys that seem logical to cut, wont help with the cap. Much at least.


OP. You seem to really "like" Potter. He had a good year and is a super cheap 7th round pick. Don't see any reason to panic over him

But here is the reality. There isn't a FA QB available that is going to cost a bunch of money. You either sign a guy like Drew Stanton to a 2 mil contract or you are drafting one. You already have high priced FAs starting at OG so you are most likely counting on drafting an OG high, and then letting him beat out either Colledge or Snyder for one of the starting spots thus upgrading the unit. You would have to be creative to sign a top rush OLB in free agency, but even if you don't, you still have draft picks to find one. RB, TE, SILB, and a #3 CB are all also pretty cheap positions to fill in either FA or the draft.

We would have had saved 12.75 mil cutting Kolb, Doucet and Bradley, and 4 top 100 picks in the draft to address the QB, OG, TE, rush OLB, SILB and #3 CB. That is workable. In our current situation we now have 9 mil and 4 top 100 picks in the draft to find a starting QB, starting RB, TE, OG, rush OLB, SILB, #2 CB, #3 CB and SS. That is a stretch IMO.

 

[52brandon]

But here is the reality. There isn't a FA QB available that is going to cost a bunch of money. You either sign a guy like Drew Stanton to a 2 mil contract or you are drafting one. You already have high priced FAs starting at OG so you are most likely counting on drafting an OG high, and then letting him beat out either Colledge or Snyder for one of the starting spots thus upgrading the unit. You would have to be creative to sign a top rush OLB in free agency, but even if you don't, you still have draft picks to find one. RB, TE, SILB, and a #3 CB are all also pretty cheap positions to fill in either FA or the draft.

We would have had saved 12.75 mil cutting Kolb, Doucet and Bradley, and 4 top 100 picks in the draft to address the QB, OG, TE, rush OLB, SILB and #3 CB. That is workable. In our current situation we now have 9 mil and 4 top 100 picks in the draft to find a starting QB, starting RB, TE, OG, rush OLB, SILB, #2 CB, #3 CB and SS. That is a stretch IMO.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. My point was that FA isn't going to be impressive for us regardless. Especially on day 1, where it's mostly overpaid signings. I think they are much more focused on the draft. I do expect Stanton in, Kolb out, but the end of the week though

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Teams who have made a spash early have historically over paid guys. I honestly think we're letting to feild play out a bit then get discounts on guys later on. The great teams have been doing it for years. The Patriots always seem to get a guy late in free agency on the cheap that turns into a role player.

Yeah, why slightly over pay for starters in their prime, when teams like the Cardinals can wait to severly overpay players past their prime, cut them in a year a two and have their cap ruined for two more...

 

[Chopper0080]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying. My point was that FA isn't going to be impressive for us regardless. Especially on day 1, where it's mostly overpaid signings. I think they are much more focused on the draft. I do expect Stanton in, Kolb out, but the end of the week though

IF that is truly the plan, they butchered it by creating more holes and cutting 2012 starters Chris Wells, William Gay, and Adrian Wilson. You only get some many draft picks and the lower those picks are, the less likely they will come in and make a difference. The best case scenario for this team is that they can use their 4 top 100 draft picks and get 4 immediate starters which would make it one of the best draft classes we have ever had. Even if that unlikely scenario occured we still would have added 4 players to fill 8 immediate needs (QB, RB, OG, OLB, SILB, #2 CB, #3 CB and SS).

 

[jmt]

Sorry, I don't see how cutting ADub, Gay and Wells hurts this team.

 

[Chopper0080]

Sorry, I don't see how cutting ADub, Gay and Wells hurts this team.

Cutting them doesn't. Starting Rashad Johnson, Jamel Flemming, and Ryan Williams as their replacements does.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

Cutting them doesn't. Starting Rashad Johnson, Jamel Flemming, and Ryan Williams as their replacements does.

I agree with this. It's not like losing those guys will kill this team (W. Gay was horrible) but you need to have guys to replace them. The "next man up" theory only works if you actually have a next man to play. Flemming is not ready to start opposite PP. Rashad Johnson is a back-up at best, so far.

 

[CardsFan88]

...and Ryan Williams hasn't proven to be healthy. (but then again neither did Beanie).

I do really like Flemming and think a couple years from now there's a legitimate shot we'll be begging to re-sign him. I think he's going to be solid. But he still has to take those steps and so far he hasn't, thus it's a risk to count on him.

But then again seeing how we just signed Powers, and we have Cason in the building, and been linked to Namdi Ashmougua(sp), it's possible we won't have to.