Cards Credibility Will Be on the Line

[unseenaz]

Hiring bettcher would be as embarrassing as the 49ers hiring Tomsula a couple years back

 

[Buckybird]

Hiring bettcher would be as embarrassing as the 49ers hiring Tomsula a couple years back

Damn good comparison

 

[clif]

Jeezus H. Some of you really have a beaten spouse syndrome. I mean Bettcher is not my choice but you all are crapping on the guy for what reason? All you’ve heard is he interviewed and folks are whining incessantly.

Hell for all we know it could have been nothing more than a courtesy to a young guy and out of respect to BA. I’m not here to defend the guy but based on the things I’ve read on this Cards fan site, I don’t even know how he survived 34 years of life.

The Eagles get a good qb all of a sudden we must have DeFilippo. Shurmur sucked tailpipe in Cleveland then has a decent year in Minny now people want to have his love child.

Woe is me. We suck. No one likes us. Boo freaking hoo. I for one can’t wait to see the new direction.

 

[cardpa]

I dedicate this song to the Cardinal's Front Office

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Perfect!

 

[RON_IN_OC]

So over the top. If he nabs McCoy and Pagano he very well may be the best. Grass is always greener on the other side isn't it?

It's only greener if you now water it.

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[RON_IN_OC]

It is impossible to comprehend that not one assistant or position coach was hired by other NFL team from this staff after BA left. Just mind blowing

Really? There have only been 2 official hires of new HCs, right? Many spots left to fill....oh, and these coaches are UNDER CONTRACT with the Cardinals...and the Cards are honoring those contracts. Permission has to be asked and granted...and a couple have had interviews. When the rest of the HC vacancies fill up, you will then see more assistant hirings and interviews.

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[RON_IN_OC]

I mean how horrible we had to settle for Betch ...Pag and McCoy. I mean there was so many position coordinators and the ultimate prize King Shurmer out there. Btw I'm a huge McCoy guy.

McCoy sucks!

Has done nothing without Manning.

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[Harry]

Yep, I do. Because I don't know if there's a candidate who is out there in the process who is also going to blow my socks off, but bring something else to the organization's chemistry. I don't know if bringing a complete outsider onto a management level and waiting for them to take 6 months to learn the business, suggest blowing up the team, and implement the ideas to a level of success is going to be all that much better than that person I've spent years nurturing for an eventual promotion - especially if that person moving up one level means I can also hire two hugely experienced workers below him to make sure the nuts and bolts of the business are sound.

Not to mention, I'm also aware from personal experience that sometimes you need a second perspective on one person to know whether or not they're consistent, or pulling the wool over your eyes with the same flashy presentation they're giving all of the other businesses on the first go around.

That second perspective would come from whom? The same guys would be conducting both interviews. You mean there are key questions they forgot to ask the first time?

Personally my experience is you lose too many winners to other competitors (see this year’s actual results). People looking for jobs typically can be persuaded to take a great offer. How do you think so many guys already got committed? In this case if you hire a guy who takes 6 months to learn the business or suggests blowing up the team; you hired the wrong guy. That’s why you ask questions. That’s why you ask them to analyze your roster.

As to that guy you’ve nutured, if he doesn’t interview head & shoulders above the rest; you’ve nutured the wrong guy. Finally if you think hiring the right coordinators assures a head coach of success you have quite a bit of faith in people staying in their own lanes as Keim would say. I’m not certain any big time coordinators are dying for a chance to work for Bettcher. My experience is the top guy better be the best guy. I know people say they win by surrounding themselves with a great staff. However, if those guys underneath learn their better than the guy on top; they’re leaving to be the top elsewhere. The best leaders are the top dog. Ask Belicheck!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I will be so disappointed if the Cardinals hire Bettcher as their HC.

 

[MadCardDisease]

If the Cardinals are forcing Bettcher as DC on their HC candidates then we are in a world of hurt. This team needs an infusion of new blood.

 

[Solar7]

That second perspective would come from whom? The same guys would be conducting both interviews. You mean there are key questions they forgot to ask the first time?

Personally my experience is you lose too many winners to other competitors (see this year’s actual results). People looking for jobs typically can be persuaded to take a great offer. How do you think so many guys already got committed? In this case if you hire a guy who takes 6 months to learn the business or suggests blowing up the team; you hired the wrong guy. That’s why you ask questions. That’s why you ask them to analyze your roster.

As to that guy you’ve nutured, if he doesn’t interview head & shoulders above the rest; you’ve nutured the wrong guy. Finally if you think hiring the right coordinators assures a head coach of success you have quite a bit of faith in people staying in their own lanes as Keim would say. I’m not certain any big time coordinators are dying for a chance to work for Bettcher. My experience is the top guy better be the best guy. I know people say they win by surrounding themselves with a great staff. However, if those guys underneath learn their better than the guy on top; they’re leaving to be the top elsewhere. The best leaders are the top dog. Ask Belicheck!

The second perspective just means a second chance to interview. Now with a better idea of who the others are, and what their gameplan is. You also bring the other candidates into the office for the team to meet them, and see how they interact with that environment. What if they're awkward and lack confidence? What if they're too cocky? (All using this as a business perspective again.) Everyone brings different skillsets and concepts - there is no one "true" answer of who the best candidate is, as you can't predict the future. A person's presentation skills and resume may look great, but they may be terrible at executing. That's why you don't get enamored with the shiny toy and do your due diligence.

My 6 months number is what my organization uses as a general timeline for when we believe they will have themselves up to speed with the business, and up to speed with the employees they report to. A new coach is literally going to have about 6 months to hire his coaches, install the system, and have the team ready to go by the start of the season, and that's the best case scenario. BA's offense, and Bowles' defense, really took about half a season to "click" with the players. Not to mention, guys have to buy into the system, and like it or not, there's going to be turnover in the roster depending on what a completely new coach is going to do.

The nurtured guy is a known quantity. You know his work ethic, you know how the players and team reacts to him, you know he's not going to need to take 6 months or more to teach new concepts to the team, or determine who on the roster fits his philosophy or doesn't. I've been promoted twice within my current organization - but let's make no bones about it, there were probably some other "more qualified" people out there. However, I have chemistry with my organization and know my responsibilities inside and out, which is valid and important.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not amped about Bettcher, but the sky isn't falling throughout this process.

 

[Jasper]

Whoever we hire won’t be on the top of our list. It just means we settled for whoever was left.

Look at the raiders, they fired their HC after they knew who they wanted.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I guess the credibility of the Cardinals will be on the line.........I guess.

More than any other year ? Not sure.

The NFL is a fickle situation. Just look at this board, fans turned on Arians so quick it would make your head spin.

Heck, the team won 10+ games, and went to the NFC Championship and fans were calling out the credibility of the team then, just days after singing their praises.

Again, I get the point, just not sure how valid it really is, in concerns to credibility. Credibility towards who? Fans? Coaches? Players? The League ? ASFN ?

 

[WisconsinCard]

Hire Todd Graham he’s a better head coach

You just want free tickets...

 

[Buckybird]

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You just want free tickets...

Absolutely you busted me lol What are old HS friends for lol

Well I did get sideline passes to his last game at the Sun Bowl