Cards interested in Stephen Jackson?

[Phrazbit]

Because there isnt a misconception about white WRs or white RBs, or white DB's performance potential.


child please.



All you see is 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30 30. You believe hes about to fall to pieces any second because of the misconception that 30 years olds are worthless in the NFL.

Just like how white corners are worthless. You dont even care about performance. You just see age like some people just see color.


Doesnt matter if the guy has 10 picks.

Just like it doesnt matter to you that Jackson has put up 7 straight 1000 yard seasons and has shown no signs of stopping.




Age discrimination = race discrimination

You ignore whats important and focus on whats not.

No... a thousand times... no.

NFL teams are investing in these guys physical condition. If we are talking about winning a single game, then yeah, age does not matter, but Jackson would represent an investment, and putting in a big investment on a running back who is about to be 30 is foolish.

Guys like Joe Montana and Jerry Rice didnt stop playing because they got bored. Age matters and it is absurd to think it does not.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why people want to go through Edge part deux is confusing to me

 

[Bodha]

No... a thousand times... no.

NFL teams are investing in these guys physical condition. If we are talking about winning a single game, then yeah, age does not matter, but Jackson would represent an investment, and putting in a big investment on a running back who is about to be 30 is foolish.

Guys like Joe Montana and Jerry Rice didnt stop playing because they got bored. Age matters and it is absurd to think it does not.

Why not view it as: " A big investment into a running back whos put up 1000 yards nearly every year of his career, and who has shown no signs of slowing down".


Sounds better, doesnt it?

 

[D-Dogg]

Of course the Cards are interested. He is a running back on the downside of his career!

haha! touche

 

[Gee!]

Why people want to go through Edge part deux is confusing to me

Quit being racist cheese..

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why not view it as: " A big investment into a running back whos put up 1000 yards nearly every year of his career, and who has shown no signs of slowing down".


Sounds better, doesnt it?

It sounds better, but unfortunately, it's not near close to the truth. His last three years, his rushing total has decreased from 1440 to 1240 to 1140 and this year he's on pace for 900. If a thousand yard drop per season for three straight years isn't a sign of slowing down, I don't know what is.

 

[Mainstreet]

All I have to say is Stephen Jackson is one very good running back regardless of age and I'd be happy if the Cardinals got him in a reasonable trade.

 

[Chopper0080]

I have a hard time seeing us make a move for a RB, but if we did, DeAngelo Williams might be a better value move.

 

[Phrazbit]

Why not view it as: " A big investment into a running back whos put up 1000 yards nearly every year of his career, and who has shown no signs of slowing down".


Sounds better, doesnt it?

No, it does not sound good at all. Investing big in a YOUNG running back is risky given how quick they can fall apart and how much the position has been marginalized. Investing in a guy at the point where Jackson is at is insane.

And as cheese pointed out, there are some serious signs he is slowing down.

If he hit free agency and we could get him on the cheap, fine, but I wouldnt give up anything for him in a trade and I wouldnt guarantee his contract beyond 2 years. Betting long term on running backs is nuts.

 

[mojorizen7]

I'd like to see him go to a team with a good OLine.
My biggest criticism of SJ is that despite his size and strength,he's not a very good short yardage RB.
He's a 6'3" 240lb guy who(alot of the time)runs like he's 5'10" 200lbs,and that mentality gets him into trouble sometimes. Also despite his power,you can ankle-tackle him with relative ease and trust me....i've seen this week after week the last few seasons.

Still,its amazing to me how productive he's been the last 6 years being the lone weapon on a bad team.

Is he slowing down? Yes,but running behind a decent OLine he could still make a huge impact for another team.

 

[Cardinals.Ken]

I have a hard time seeing us make a move for a RB, but if we did, DeAngelo Williams might be a better value move.

What about LaGarrette Blount? With Doug Martin tearing it up, the Bucs might willing to deal him as well.

 

[TRW]

Highly unlikely that the Rams would trade him within the division, especially to the Cardinals.

Also, what would his contract do for the cap and for how long? Didn't he just get big, big money a year or two ago? I can't remember.

For a reasonable, bargain price and if the cap hit wasn't too great he would be great. If they want to hold someone hostage and get a Herschel Walker kind of deal, then pass.

He is a great runner though.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Yep, because with age and mileage comes more strength and agility.

It did for Barry Bonds...

 

[Russ Smith]

It sounds better, but unfortunately, it's not near close to the truth. His last three years, his rushing total has decreased from 1440 to 1240 to 1140 and this year he's on pace for 900. If a thousand yard drop per season for three straight years isn't a sign of slowing down, I don't know what is.

And 2 of those 3 seasons including this under 4 YPC, the only 2 times in his career.

Also this year longest run, 23 yards, had at least one run over 40 yards every other year in his career. Damn all the defenses are racist too not letting him run better.

He's still a good player but for how long.

We need OL help, if you trade for a RB trade for a guy like Tate who's still young, but it would take too much to get him wouldn't make sense.

Save the picks for the OL.

 

[TJ]

Rather get Chris Ivory from the Saints. Wouldn't have to trade intradivision and could be had for significantly less. Plus he's not pushing 30

 

[kerouac9]

What about LaGarrette Blount? With Doug Martin tearing it up, the Bucs might willing to deal him as well.

I'm there with you, but we might as well keep Beanie Wells. Blount is a little younger, but there's a reason that the Bucs replaced Blount with Martin, and there's a reason that the Cards are trying to replace Beanie with Ryan Williams.

The reason is that neither Blount nor Beanie present much in the passing game (although Beanie is much more productive as a receiver than Blount), and both are straight-ahead backs who don't provide a ton of cutback running or production moving laterally or attempting to reach the edge.

With Steven Jackson, the issue isn't "age" in and of itself. Willis Magahee remains productive despite being over 30. It's that the age as a starting RB is reflective of the amount of carries that he's gotten in his career, which is an important factor in estimating how productive a running back can be into the future.

 

[MadCardDisease]

With Steven Jackson, the issue isn't "age" in and of itself. Willis Magahee remains productive despite being over 30. It's that the age as a starting RB is reflective of the amount of carries that he's gotten in his career, which is an important factor in estimating how productive a running back can be into the future.

I totally agree. There is only so much tread on a RB's tires. It is very rare for workhorse RBs to have long careers in the NFL. The few backs that were able to do it long term were masters at not taking big hits. Jackson is not that type of back.

With that said I'm a huge Jackson fan. The guy is a beast and has carried a very bad team for years. I have the utmost respect for the guy.

 

[kerouac9]

I totally agree. There is only so much tread on a RB's tires. It is very rare for workhorse RBs to have long careers in the NFL. The few backs that were able to do it long term were masters at not taking big hits. Jackson is not that type of back.

With that said I'm a huge Jackson fan. The guy is a beast and has carried a very bad team for years. I have the utmost respect for the guy.

Yeah. He was on that tier below Ladanian Tomlinson but above, IMO, the guy that Seattle had that won an OPOY award some years ago. It's a shame that the primes of guys like LDT, Steven Jackson, and even to some extent Maurice Jones-Drew are "wasted" getting tons of yards for mediocre to poor teams. One of the upsides of the Fantasy Sports Era is that at least these players are recognized for their excellence in some small way.

Jackson was a beast and did it the right way. His friendship with Fitz speaks volumes to me of his character.

 

[Mulli]

Yeah. He was on that tier below Ladanian Tomlinson but above, IMO, the guy that Seattle had that won an OPOY award some years ago. It's a shame that the primes of guys like LDT, Steven Jackson, and even to some extent Maurice Jones-Drew are "wasted" getting tons of yards for mediocre to poor teams. One of the upsides of the Fantasy Sports Era is that at least these players are recognized for their excellence in some small way.

Jackson was a beast and did it the right way. His friendship with Fitz speaks volumes to me of his character.

Shaun Alexander.

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