Cards New Coach

[Red Fury]

With the Cards saying that their coach will be one of the 4 that they have already interviewed it is becoming increasingly apparent that their new coach is going to be Johhson.

I hate to say it but if the Cards dont land either Green or Fassel it is going to be the same old Cards. The Cards don't have the luxory of taking a chance on an OC or DC, they need a proven HC with prior NFL HC experience.

If the Cards are going to turn it around they need to make a splash now. They should have made either Green or Fassel an offer on the spot that was too good to turn down.

My choice is Dennis Green, they should contact him and tell him to write up his contract proposal and get it done now. Do that and I will change my attitude about the ownership.

My gut feeling though is that they are going to get snubbed by Green, Fassel, Crennel, and will fall back to Johnson, the only guy without any other offers.

 

[CaptTurbo]

Id take 1 Johnson over 10 Greens. Green is a mistake of the "Buddy Ryan" variety I think. Not that he wasnt good. But that he is looking for that final payday just as buddy did.

 

[PACardsFan]

Originally posted by swd1974
Id take 1 Johnson over 10 Greens. Green is a mistake of the "Buddy Ryan" variety I think. Not that he wasnt good. But that he is looking for that final payday just as buddy did.

I agree wholeheartedly. Johnson is a disciplined, organized DC who has worked under winning HC's. His physical, blitzing schemes would be welcomed in the valley. I would prefer to have an experienced HC, but not a poison like Green. If Johnson gets the job, he's smart enough to realize that he would have to hire a strong OC. Being in PA, I hang with plenty of Eagles fans & follow the Eagles also. Johnson has been the BIGGEST reason why Philly turned the corner a few years back & became the best team in the NFC. Even when McNabb went through his inconsistencies, Johnson's D kept Philly winning, even when those wins were ugly. I'd even say that if we don't get Fassel that Johnson would be my next choice as he has FAR more NFL experience than Lovie, Crennel, Weis, etc. HE'S THE 2ND BEST CHOICE OUT THERE!!!!

 

[CaptTurbo]

Originally posted by PACardsFan
I agree wholeheartedly. Johnson is a disciplined, organized DC who has worked under winning HC's. His physical, blitzing schemes would be welcomed in the valley. I would prefer to have an experienced HC, but not a poison like Green. If Johnson gets the job, he's smart enough to realize that he would have to hire a strong OC. Being in PA, I hang with plenty of Eagles fans & follow the Eagles also. Johnson has been the BIGGEST reason why Philly turned the corner a few years back & became the best team in the NFC. Even when McNabb went through his inconsistencies, Johnson's D kept Philly winning, even when those wins were ugly. I'd even say that if we don't get Fassel that Johnson would be my next choice as he has FAR more NFL experience than Lovie, Crennel, Weis, etc. HE'S THE 2ND BEST CHOICE OUT THERE!!!!

B-I-N-G-O

 

[D-Dogg]

I'm personally tired of Defensive minded coaches. We need an offensive brain in here, and one who will hire a very good defensive coordinator.

Our defense, for not having any stars on it, actually played fairly well this season, all things considered.

Our offense was stagnant, turnover prone and uncreative. And we had a lot of talent on that side of the ball.

I hope Green is the coach, personally. If not, then Fassell. If not, I say we go after Heimerdinger and bring him in.

I want offensive minds; the defensive head coach experiment has been tried and failed long enough.

 

[ajcardfan]

I don't think the Ryan-Green analogies are accurate. Let's remember that Ryan demanded, and got, to be the GM with total control over personnel. Green will not. So, we won't see Green sign guys nobody ever heard of to big bonuses (like Larry Tharpe) because one of his buddies was the agent like Ryan did. He won't draft and sign 100 guys from Tennessee St. because his son is a coach there like Ryan did. He won't use the Bidwill's money to pay for penile implants for his assistants like Buddy did.

Using Buddy as an argument against Green is a classic red herring. I don't care if people don't want Green (I do BTW), but the Ryan angle is weak sauce.

 

[conraddobler]

Originally posted by ajcardfan
I don't think the Ryan-Green analogies are accurate. Let's remember that Ryan demanded, and got, to be the GM with total control over personnel. Green will not. So, we won't see Green sign guys nobody ever heard of to big bonuses (like Larry Tharpe) because one of his buddies was the agent like Ryan did. He won't draft and sign 100 guys from Tennessee St. because his son is a coach there like Ryan did. He won't use the Bidwill's money to pay for penile implants for his assistants like Buddy did.

Using Buddy as an argument against Green is a classic red herring. I don't care if people don't want Green (I do BTW), but the Ryan angle is weak sauce.

Well you have to admit Buddy was a unique guy that is for sure. Picture this, Bidwill finally has had enough and gives complete control to Buddy who then proceeds to gut the team and rebuild it with players no one else can use in any normal scheme, he does all this This while taking nepotisim to a higher level.

Beautiful..

BTW

I don't like Green anyway.

 

[ajcardfan]

Originally posted by conraddobler
Well you have to admit Buddy was a unique guy that is for sure. Picture this, Bidwill finally has had enough and gives complete control to Buddy who then proceeds to gut the team and rebuild it with players no one else can use in any normal scheme, he does all this This while taking nepotisim to a higher level.

Beautiful..

BTW

I don't like Green anyway.

I always said that what Buddy did bordered on embezzlement. I didn't even mention the huge contracts he gave to his guys like Marshall, Joyner, et. al. That kept us in cap hell until 98. Then, we promptly put ourselves back in cap hell with the Wads and Plummer contracts.

Whoever we hire this time, I hope people give them a chance like they gave McGinnis. I did not want McGinnis hired, and said so many, many times. But, I gave him a chance and I don't think I ever bagged on him unfairly. We all have preferences, but in the end, I'm sure no matter who's hired we'll want them to win. No matter how wrong we are.

 

[kerouac9]

I was disappointed when I read in the AZ Rep this morning that Graves and Bidwill settled on this as the "Fab Four" for the Cards. It just isn't that great a list. Looking at it, though, it seems to me like Jim Johnson is the WORST CANDIDATE ON THE LIST, and will probably end up as our head coach.

Jim Johnson is a great defensive mind, but has never expressed any interest in being a head coach, and has never made it this far in the process. That makes me think that he doesn't really want the job. I've said it before that I think that this is similar to what happened with Jerry Sullivan: He knows that this is the next step, but doesn't really want to take it.

Furthermore, I've never seen anything that makes me think that Jim Johnson has ANY role in selecting the talent of the Philadelphia Eagles defense. Those decisions seem to be left to Andy Reid. This makes me think that Graves will be left in almost sole control of personnel decisions if Jim Johnson is give the Head Coach position. That's a scary, scary thought.

If neither Green, Fassel, nor Crennel want to come here, I sincerely hope that the Cards go back to the drawing board on the coaching search. Jim Johnson is going to have other things to do besides draw up blitz schemes if he's the head coach. Can he build an aggressive staff in Arizona, and will he have the wherewithal to fight for one and the money to recruit it? I don't know, but I doubt it.

Jim Johnson has a good defense in Philly, but he's done it with top-notch talent. I'd like to see another year when Vincent and Taylor leave and THEN see if Johnson can get it done with his schemes. The SECONDARY is the strength in Philly that allows them to do everything else. In Tampa, it's the defensive line. I would say that the defensive line here in AZ is more talented than the secondary. Jim Johnson hasn't shown that he can be as flexible in tailoring his defences to fit his personnel during his tenure in Philly, but in his defense, he hasn't really had to. Part of the problem with Mac was that he refused to be flexible in his schemes.

If we can't get Green or Fassel, give Heimerdinger a call, please. Then call Jim Mora, Jr. Mora is Jim Johnson, except younger and more proven with lesser talent. It's hard to build a long-term future with a 67-year-old coach.

Just say "no" to Jim Johnson.

 

[football karma]

Buddy was an out and out fraud. The results quickly showed.

Dennis Green had sustained success in Minnesota. Were things a mess at the end? – yes – but they were a mess all over the place, from ownership on down.

 

[SECTION 11]

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[maddogkf]

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[RedStorm]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I was disappointed when I read in the AZ Rep this morning that Graves and Bidwill settled on this as the "Fab Four" for the Cards. It just isn't that great a list. Looking at it, though, it seems to me like Jim Johnson is the WORST CANDIDATE ON THE LIST, and will probably end up as our head coach.

Jim Johnson is a great defensive mind, but has never expressed any interest in being a head coach, and has never made it this far in the process. That makes me think that he doesn't really want the job. I've said it before that I think that this is similar to what happened with Jerry Sullivan: He knows that this is the next step, but doesn't really want to take it.

Furthermore, I've never seen anything that makes me think that Jim Johnson has ANY role in selecting the talent of the Philadelphia Eagles defense. Those decisions seem to be left to Andy Reid. This makes me think that Graves will be left in almost sole control of personnel decisions if Jim Johnson is give the Head Coach position. That's a scary, scary thought.

If neither Green, Fassel, nor Crennel want to come here, I sincerely hope that the Cards go back to the drawing board on the coaching search. Jim Johnson is going to have other things to do besides draw up blitz schemes if he's the head coach. Can he build an aggressive staff in Arizona, and will he have the wherewithal to fight for one and the money to recruit it? I don't know, but I doubt it.

Jim Johnson has a good defense in Philly, but he's done it with top-notch talent. I'd like to see another year when Vincent and Taylor leave and THEN see if Johnson can get it done with his schemes. The SECONDARY is the strength in Philly that allows them to do everything else. In Tampa, it's the defensive line. I would say that the defensive line here in AZ is more talented than the secondary. Jim Johnson hasn't shown that he can be as flexible in tailoring his defences to fit his personnel during his tenure in Philly, but in his defense, he hasn't really had to. Part of the problem with Mac was that he refused to be flexible in his schemes.

If we can't get Green or Fassel, give Heimerdinger a call, please. Then call Jim Mora, Jr. Mora is Jim Johnson, except younger and more proven with lesser talent. It's hard to build a long-term future with a 67-year-old coach.

Just say "no" to Jim Johnson.

I agree. Could be another Sully (Great at what you currently do but not able to make the step up the ladder.)

I think we need a coach with prior NFL HC experience. Fassel is my first choice because he was an OC at one time. Green would be acceptable as well.

Now, this is where Graves comes in (as will as little Bidwill). They need to be able to sell this organization. Whether to a coach or FA. We need them to be able to convince someone who is on everyones list that Arizona is the place to be. This is where Graves and Mike make their paycheck. I hope they can do it.

 

[40yearfan]

Originally posted by SECTION 11

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I'm glad those shorts aren't any shorter. Otherwise we might realize where the term "Buddy Balls" came from.

 

[Tangodnzr]

It's now "evening" in Buffalo.

Do you know where your head coach is?

 

[kerouac9]

Originally posted by RedStorm
Now, this is where Graves comes in (as will as little Bidwill). They need to be able to sell this organization. Whether to a coach or FA. We need them to be able to convince someone who is on everyones list that Arizona is the place to be. This is where Graves and Mike make their paycheck. I hope they can do it.

Absolutely. 2003 was a dry run for 2004. Hopefully, Graves learned from his many errors last season, and learned well. If he screws the pooch this year, this team is going to be very bad for a very long time.

 

[kerouac9]

By the way, it's pretty funny that Jim Johnson's advocates just put his name out there, and then never respond to criticism. SWD has refused to follow up on this for at least two times. C'mon, 1974, back your horse.

 

[pinnacle]

Tango..KDUS said fassel would be here on Thursday..or the cardinals are trying to get him here thursday..for his 2nd interview..Not sure if they are trying to get him here..or whether he is coming - or whether it is all speculation

The above has probably been posted on another thread..

it is now 14 degrees in Buffalo..with snow off and on...

 

[Cardiac]

To answer a couple of concerns listed about Jim Johnson.

He proved this very year that he can get it done without Vincent and Taylor and McDougle and Hollis Thomas and Dawkins. All of these players were out as some point this season due to injuries. Many were out at the same time and this was during the Eagles 8 game winning streak.

So the "strength" of this team (secondary) was missing 3/4 or their starters for several games this year. Looks like Johnson can get it done without all of his top notch talent in place.

Obviously the defense didn't dominate like it did in past years but they never got blown out and contributed strongly while McNabb was struggling threw game 5 or 6 of the season. Johnson proved this year how he is in the same class as Billicheck when it comes to Defensive schemes and utilizing the players he has.

In the past couple of years he has lost Trotter, Al Harris and Hugh Douglass to FA or via trade.

Reid, Banner and at one time Modrak did make the personel decisions but it is reported Johnson does have input as well. How can one think Johnson doesn't know how to evaluate talent when they do such a good job of putting their players in a position to succeed. You have to know what a players strengths are to develop schemes that work so well.

Johnson has been interviewed in the past for a HC position so this is not a Sully whim of a decision.

Johnson is part of the Eagles organization that has managed the cap so well over the past 6 years. He understands the process and Graves is starting to model the Cards cap just like the Eagles do.

Johnson is very respected within the league and has worked with a ton of different people. He has connections and should be able to assemble a strong coaching staff. This obviously has to be one of the questions the Cards ask him during the interview process. Who do you want and who do you think/know you can hire. This is what Reid did when interviewed in Philly and I would expect the same from Johnson.

Now I'm not saying Johnson is my first choice but I do think he would be a great choice.

 

[Red Hawk]

Originally posted by kerouac9
I was disappointed when I read in the AZ Rep this morning that Graves and Bidwill settled on this as the "Fab Four" for the Cards. It just isn't that great a list. Looking at it, though, it seems to me like Jim Johnson is the WORST CANDIDATE ON THE LIST, and will probably end up as our head coach.

I am also getting the dreaded feeling that Cards are going to go for a "cheaper" second stringer for HC.

 

[john h]

Originally posted by D-Dogg
I'm personally tired of Defensive minded coaches. We need an offensive brain in here, and one who will hire a very good defensive coordinator.

Our defense, for not having any stars on it, actually played fairly well this season, all things considered.

Our offense was stagnant, turnover prone and uncreative. And we had a lot of talent on that side of the ball.

I hope Green is the coach, personally. If not, then Fassell. If not, I say we go after Heimerdinger and bring him in.

I want offensive minds; the defensive head coach experiment has been tried and failed long enough.

"A defensive minded coach" sort of like having a pilot who specializes in taking off. Who is going to make the landing?