Cards Pick 4th

[Russ Smith]

He's right. The way they micro drill now is a medical wonder.

So how did he already tear it twice?

I know they do wonders but I've also seen a bunch of kids in recent years who never fully were the same coming off 1 ACL let alone 2.

 

[Solar7]

I'm praying that teams give everything up to move into the top three spots for QBs, but it's not that realistic. No MHJ.

Where it stands today, I assume the approach has to be moving back to let someone draft someone like Jayden Daniels. Or we take a tackle... and meh.

 

[Harry]

Not sure I buy that. It's not like a pitcher having Tommy John surgery where the elbow comes back stronger.

And keep in mind he tore the same ACL twice. He also had a clavicle and shoulder injury but it appears he's fully back from that given his arm strength.

Actually studies show 15% of those who tear one tear it again. That’s a higher percentage who don’t tear at all, so it can’t be stronger. There are no studies on people with 2 tears because they rarely continue to compete.

 

[Cards Crazy]

Any chance that there might be a 3rd QB that gets hyped up enough before the draft to become a top 3-5 pick?

There is always a player that gets hyped doesnt have to be a QB

 

[bankybruce]

So how did he already tear it twice?

I know they do wonders but I've also seen a bunch of kids in recent years who never fully were the same coming off 1 ACL let alone 2.

He came back in well under a year from the first one. It's been 3 now since the second. I posted it in an old Kyler thread, but there is a chart with recovery time to probability of tearing it again.

Found something similar.

Conclusion​

Returning to knee-strenuous sport before 9 months after ACL reconstruction was associated with an approximately 7-fold increased rate of sustaining a second ACL injury. Achieving symmetrical muscle function or quadriceps strength was not associated with new ACL injury in young athletes. J Orthop Sports Phys Ther 2020;50(2):83–90. doi:10.2519/jospt.2020.907

https://www.jospt.org/doi/10.2519/jospt.2020.9071

 

[Harry]

I keep hearing Washington may not want Maye. Still they might trade with the Bears and the Bears take Maye.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

If MHJr is gone then you trade Daniels to Atlanta at 8 and take BPA there

 

[SoonerLou]

I can at least buy this.

I think NE trading up would be pure insanity.

No Beli wouldnt trade up(on the Patriots)

A non Beli Patriots is uncharted waters for what they would do.

 

[Solar7]

Endured a super crappy season to end up picking 4. That hurts.

Yep, a crappy season we never expected to even slightly compete in, too. Where the flag was waved before we even started.

 

[SoonerLou]

If MHJr is gone then you trade Daniels to Atlanta at 8 and take BPA there

Would really help if the Chargers take Bowers at 5.

 

[bankybruce]

I keep hearing Washington may not want Maye. Still they might trade with the Bears and the Bears take Maye.

It's because Williams is a DC kid and they are actually on his list. I read that story too and it's not about them not liking Maye is about Williams exciting the fan base.

 

[bankybruce]

Would really help if the Chargers take Bowers at 5.

I heard they really like him and want to give Justin help. Alt is also high in their list.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Would really help if the Chargers take Bowers at 5.

Sure but I am comfortable with Alt, Fashanu, Nabors or Odunze so 8 is really a great spot

 

[Stout]

Head to head tie breaker only matter regarding playoffs.

This is so dumb it reminds me of college football.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Looks like Joe Alt. I doubt MHJ makes it to 4.

Agreed. I think alt is pick and maybe try to trade up from Houston pick for a receiver.

 

[Stout]

Torn his ACL twice. Many teams see that as a red flag.

Same one or different one?

 

[Solar7]

Agreed. I think alt is pick and maybe try to trade up from Houston pick for a receiver.

It's just such a depressing concept to skip Will Anderson to get a right tackle and burn another 2nd/3rd pick to get a rookie WR in the middle of the first round.

 

[Russ Smith]

He came back in well under a year from the first one. It's been 3 now since the second. I posted it in an old Kyler thread, but there is a chart with recovery time to probability of tearing it again.

Found something similar.

https://www.jospt.org/doi/10.2519/jospt.2020.9071

I think we're talkign about different things though. I'm not talking about coming back I'm talking about being the "same." Maybe I'm just biased but I saw both Tyger Campbell and Will McClendon before and after their ACL's, both made it back to playing, Tyger was outstanding at UCLA, but he was never the same kid he was before the injury and Will is the same.

Just have a hard time believing NFL teams are going to look at Penix and say I'm glad he's had 2 surgeries his knee is stronger?

 

[Stout]

Prater doing his bit to ensure we pick 4 instead of 5. But man, if the Chargers had won, this would've been a sweet victory.

 

[bankybruce]

I think we're talkign about different things though. I'm not talking about coming back I'm talking about being the "same." Maybe I'm just biased but I saw both Tyger Campbell and Will McClendon before and after their ACL's, both made it back to playing, Tyger was outstanding at UCLA, but he was never the same kid he was before the injury and Will is the same.

Just have a hard time believing NFL teams are going to look at Penix and say I'm glad he's had 2 surgeries his knee is stronger?

Gottcha! That's fair!

 

[Russ Smith]

Same one or different one?

Same one. After the 2nd one Penix came out and said he was never fully cleared from the first one and that's why it happened again.

 

[BACH]

The updated draftorder for first 18 picks.

Houston will meet the Browns in the playoffs. If they lose, then the pick will be #21

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I can see something like happening...

1) Williams
2) Daniels
3) Penix

Leaving Maye dropping to 4 and the Cards possibly being open for business with a trade down. IMO, Maybe will be this years Rosen and another QB needy team won't want to risk him dropping to the 6-10 range.

 

[juza76]

Cause the SOS we pick 4 in round one
But in the round two we have the second pick(34), right?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Maybe we'll get super lucky and the Keim will get hired by Pats or Chargers.