Cards Ring Of Honor

[Buckybird]

No one in AZ cares about Big Red Players from STL days. They never saw them play so is a non-issue. That is what is so sad when a franchise moves. All their history is lost and they in effect become an expansion team. It is saddest for the players because it is as if they never played. It is worse for those not in HOF because for most people there is not even the pretense of caring about them.

cough cough Roger Werhli
I was there went the last Stl Card went into the hall

 

[BigRedMO]

cough cough Roger Werhli
I was there went the last Stl Card went into the hall

Ask fans in AZ about the most memorable game they saw him play. They had no choice but to put Wehrli in ring after he made HOF. I dont mean to be the word police but he is so relevant to today's Big Red and means so much to you that you misspelled his name. I was wearing a red throw back Wehrli jersey at a sports bar in MO and except for a couple people no one had any idea what team it was or that there was even such a player. One young kid thought it was a word play on some Saturday Night Life skit I was not familiar with.

Tell me why Bidwill does not fly the NFC East Championship banners from 1974 and 1975? I have not been to stadium but in camera shots you see the recent banners from 08,09 but nothing else so I assume the other banners are not flying.

 

[NJCardFan]

OJ Anderson belongs in the ring as well. And, yes, the franchise moved but they kept the Cardinals name. It would have been one thing if they moved and changed their name like the Oilers did a couple years after moving to Tennessee. If the Cards moved to Arizona and changed to the Outlaws or some other desert/old west theme and forgot about the Cardinals then there'd be reason for it but this team is all about it's history especially being the oldest franchise in league history. If you're going to embrace the history, embrace all of it.

 

[Bert]

I totally agree Centers should be in. He was the Cardinals for many years. I'll never forget him hurdling people and single handedly winning some games.

Dont care about stats or length of time. It's about what that player meant to the team in my mind.

I would put Jake Plummer in too. Jake was frustrating and his career stats are nothing special but Jake raised the profile of the Cardinals in this state 10 fold and took us to the playoffs and beat the freaking Cowboys! IN TEXAS!!!

That whole 98 team should get some kind of love in the stadium because without them, we dont have a stadium, we dont have the memories we all love over the years and in all honesty, the Cardinals probably aren't even here.

Sorry for rambling, but I agree NJ, there are too many ancient guys, not saying they aren't deserving, but 99% of the stadium doesn't know who Larry Wilson and some of those other guys are. Gotta have memories up that people can connect to. People cant connect to Ernie Nevers, Conzelman, Driscoll,,, I mean why dont we raise a 1947 championship banner up while we're at it? (sarcasm) I love honoring those guys, but we need more modern era people in there and there are some good ones that are worthy. Good post NJ

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

No one in AZ cares about Big Red Players from STL days. They never saw them play so is a non-issue. That is what is so sad when a franchise moves. All their history is lost and they in effect become an expansion team. It is saddest for the players because it is as if they never played. It is worse for those not in HOF because for most people there is not even the pretense of caring about them.

Yes, but it's the Cardinals ROH not the Arizona Cardinals ROH.

Btw, Hart and Bakken should be in.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I totally agree Centers should be in. He was the Cardinals for many years. I'll never forget him hurdling people and single handedly winning some games.

Disagree. Not long enough, not good enough IMO.

 

[BigRedMO]

I totally agree Centers should be in. He was the Cardinals for many years. I'll never forget him hurdling people and single handedly winning some games.

Dont care about stats or length of time. It's about what that player meant to the team in my mind.

I would put Jake Plummer in too. Jake was frustrating and his career stats are nothing special but Jake raised the profile of the Cardinals in this state 10 fold and took us to the playoffs and beat the freaking Cowboys! IN TEXAS!!!

That whole 98 team should get some kind of love in the stadium because without them, we dont have a stadium, we dont have the memories we all love over the years and in all honesty, the Cardinals probably aren't even here.

Sorry for rambling, but I agree NJ, there are too many ancient guys, not saying they aren't deserving, but 99% of the stadium doesn't know who Larry Wilson and some of those other guys are. Gotta have memories up that people can connect to. People cant connect to Ernie Nevers, Conzelman, Driscoll,,, I mean why dont we raise a 1947 championship banner up while we're at it? (sarcasm) I love honoring those guys, but we need more modern era people in there and there are some good ones that are worthy. Good post NJ

You prove my point. Centers in ranking of RBs doesnt hold a candle to Ottis Anderson, Terry Metcalf or even Stump Mitchell. Anderson and Metcalf mean nothing to you because you never saw them. Go to UTube and watch a Terry Metcalf highlight reel. He was unreal. As for QBs, Plummer had great promise but never delivered. I think Plummer was a great talent that was misused by Big Red. He was at his best rolling out and throwing on the run and they wanted him to stay in pocket. Hart and Lomax gave greater production. These guys I point to mean nothing to you if you never saw them. However if you add guys who were not exceptional then you dilute the ring. Centers was a good pass catcher. Metcalf did that and ran the ball and was a league leading rusher, ran back punts and KOs. At one time he had single season yardage record. Just catching passes out of backfield is not enough.

If it us one team and STL era matters where are the NFC East Championship banners?

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[BW52]

You prove my point. Centers in ranking of RBs doesnt hold a candle to Ottis Anderson, Terry Metcalf or even Stump Mitchell. Anderson and Metcalf mean nothing to you because you never saw them. Go to UTube and watch a Terry Metcalf highlight reel. He was unreal. As for QBs, Plummer had great promise but never delivered. I think Plummer was a great talent that was misused by Big Red. He was at his best rolling out and throwing on the run and they wanted him to stay in pocket. Hart and Lomax gave greater production. These guys I point to mean nothing to you if you never saw them. However if you add guys who were not exceptional then you dilute the ring. Centers was a good pass catcher. Metcalf did that and ran the ball and was a league leading rusher, ran back punts and KOs. At one time he had single season yardage record. Just catching passes out of backfield is not enough.

If it us one team and STL era matters where are the NFC East Championship banners?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMddevnDyb0

What about John David Crow? Ollie Matson ?

 

[Buckybird]

You prove my point. Centers in ranking of RBs doesnt hold a candle to Ottis Anderson, Terry Metcalf or even Stump Mitchell. Anderson and Metcalf mean nothing to you because you never saw them. Go to UTube and watch a Terry Metcalf highlight reel. He was unreal. As for QBs, Plummer had great promise but never delivered. I think Plummer was a great talent that was misused by Big Red. He was at his best rolling out and throwing on the run and they wanted him to stay in pocket. Hart and Lomax gave greater production. These guys I point to mean nothing to you if you never saw them. However if you add guys who were not exceptional then you dilute the ring. Centers was a good pass catcher. Metcalf did that and ran the ball and was a league leading rusher, ran back punts and KOs. At one time he had single season yardage record. Just catching passes out of backfield is not enough.

If it us one team and STL era matters where are the NFC East Championship banners?

Totally agree about #21. Anyone who didn't get a chance to see him play missed out! The guy was dynamic & had special skills. His cutting ability was uncanny...he was a Barry Sanders before Barry Sanders, despite his smaller size. Problem with Metcalf was he fumbled ALOT, couldn't stay healthy & had a nose for coke.

Like I said, its sad some of the Stl greats aren't in the ROH but it appears ownership only puts in HOFs. Why Jackie Smith isn't in is mind boggling

 

[Buckybird]

What about John David Crow? Ollie Matson ?

Crow was average at best

 

[BigRedMO]

What about John David Crow? Ollie Matson ?

I never saw them so know nothing about them. Which is same reason why fans post 1987 have no opinion about guys they didnt see. Even if you read the stats it cant replace seeing them live. I totally understand why post '87 fans advocate Centers for ring. RB has been probably the single position that has seen significant decline post STL. Stump Mitchell was a good one who started career in STL but also played in AZ.

 

[BW52]

Crow was average at best

JD was better than average.He just missed too much tine to injuries.I remember seeing him on TV in the early and mid-60`s for the Cards.

 

[Buckybird]

JD was better than average.He just missed too much tine to injuries.I remember seeing him on TV in the early and mid-60`s for the Cards.

Still doesn't deserve ROH recognition imo.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

Terry Metcalf, Jim Hart and Jackie Smith all deserve to to be in the ROH.

 

[BigRedMO]

Terry Metcalf, Jim Hart and Jackie Smith all deserve to to be in the ROH.

Exclusion of Jackie Smith makes no sense. He is in HOF. I just wonder if there isnt a story that explains this involving personal interaction between Sr and Smith.

 

[BigRedMO]

Totally agree about #21. Anyone who didn't get a chance to see him play missed out! The guy was dynamic & had special skills. His cutting ability was uncanny...he was a Barry Sanders before Barry Sanders, despite his smaller size. Problem with Metcalf was he fumbled ALOT, couldn't stay healthy & had a nose for coke.

Like I said, its sad some of the Stl greats aren't in the ROH but it appears ownership only puts in HOFs. Why Jackie Smith isn't in is mind boggling

I dont think that is appropriate to accuse him of coke use. Not aware of any convictions. You are setting yourself up to be sued.

 

[Buckybird]

Exclusion of Jackie Smith makes no sense. He is in HOF. I just wonder if there isnt a story that explains this involving personal interaction between Sr and Smith.

Maybe it's because he played his last games as a Cowpies lol

Urban has always been good at getting back with me on questions

 

[Buckybird]

I dont think that is appropriate to accuse him of coke use. Not aware of any convictions. You are setting yourself up to be sued.

Why because I spoke the truth? I believe he has turned his life around & I'm glad for him but he had drug issues & they were well documented. Feel free to check for yourself

 

[BigRedMO]

Why because I spoke the truth? I believe he has turned his life around & I'm glad for him but he had drug issues & they were well documented. Feel free to check for yourself

Well if he rehabilitated himself what is the point of mentioning if it is someone you say you admire? To me it comes across as saying: Here is my friend Bob he used to rape children but he doesnt do it anymore. I dont think coke use has anything to do with fumbles or if it did than every player of the late 70s and 80s was on an even plane because virtually every professional athlete, entertainer and anybody of means did coke.

 

[Buckybird]

Well if he rehabilitated himself what is the point of mentioning if it is someone you say you admire? To me it comes across as saying: Here is my friend Bob he used to rape children but he doesnt do it anymore. I dont think coke use has anything to do with fumbles or if it did than every player of the late 70s and 80s was on an even plane because virtually every professional athlete, entertainer and anybody of means did coke.

Comparing the 2 examples you gave are beyond ridiculous. Wow

Me saying he did drugs has nothing to do with me liking the player. Yeah every player in the 70s & 80s did drugs...you're right. Btw his drug issues were a big reason his career ended earlier than it should've.

 

[NJCardFan]

Maybe it's because he played his last games as a Cowpies lol

Yes but remember he secretly purposely dropped a sure TD in the Super Bowl. He was sent in to circumvent the Cowboys' attempt at a Super Bowl win, got himself wide open, and dropped a gimmie in the endzone. He should get in for that alone:

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Seriously, he was one of the greatest tight ends in the history of the game but sadly, this is all he'll be remembered for.

 

[Buckybird]

Yes but remember he secretly purposely dropped a sure TD in the Super Bowl. He was sent in to circumvent the Cowboys' attempt at a Super Bowl win, got himself wide open, and dropped a gimmie in the endzone. He should get in for that alone:

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Seriously, he was one of the greatest tight ends in the history of the game but sadly, this is all he'll be remembered for.

Totally agree bout the last part. And yes I tell my peeps here in Dallas all the time #81 screwed the Cowpies on purpose & it still brings a smile to my face