Cards Talking To Martz?

[az jam]

Martz isn't going to be here. Whis is not going to change his offense. Dumb thread.

 

[JeffGollin]

Pros:
- Offensive Mad Scientist

- Champion of the Vertical Passing Game

- Unpredictable Play Calling

Cons:

- Considered somewhat arrogant and devisive.

- Would take the offense in an opposite direction from where Wiz presumably wants it (i.e. instead of a more balanced run-pass attack, Martz - who's never been bashful about ignoring great RB's like Steven Jackson - would dial up an even greater proportion of passes).

- I believe that ideal offenses and defenses must have the flexibility to come up with "answers" to anything another NFL team might throw at them, and I believe Wiz & his people ascribe to this as well). I don't believe Martz is known for being all that flexible.

- If he was that good, he'd still be with Detroit or SF.

Conclusion
No-o-o!

 

[MadCardDisease]

I slammed the 49ers all season long for bringing in Martz as their OC.

I would be sick to my stomach if they brought him in as our OC. He is the Anit-Whiz.

 

[moklerman]

Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, Martz has always been best when he has a coach that keeps him under control(Vermeil). Once Singletary took over last year and Shaun Hill(I'm still not sure how they were trying to sell that O'Sullivan was Nolan's guy and brought in by his choice and not Martz's but that's the story I've heard on various occasions.) was up to speed/given another chance as starter, the QB play was much better.

Not to say I want him anywhere near the Cardinals but I think Martz is much like Warner in that he needs to be protected from himself. Warner is willing to co-exist and be coached though, I don't know that Martz can handle being a cog in the machine.

The '09 49ers, I think, are going to be good competition. They were 5-3 once Singletary took over and 4-1 to finish things out. I don't think his message will carry for long but in '09 they will ride that emotion well.

Seattle will be a lot tougher than in '08 as well. Heck, even the Rams should show immediate improvement with the front office finally overhauled and a Parcell's approach to football. The West is going to be a lot tougher next year.

 

[CardLogic]

File this one in the rumor category . . . but I've heard that the Cardinals called the 49ers on Friday to ask for the cell number of Mike Martz, whom Singletary fired two days after the season. I have not been able to confirm this happened, so take it for what it's worth.

This strikes me as some writer making things up to fill-in the space he is required to fill. Journalism at it's worst!

 

[Spielman]

Wouldn't most of what you said be the case if they brought in any outside OC. The only way everything staying the same is to promote form within.

No, there would be others out there from the same offensive school as Whisenhunt who would use a similar approach and the same terminology. I'm no scholar of that system, so I don't know who that would be. But I know it's not Mike Martz.

 

[Team G]

From the Santa Rosa Press Democrat:

http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers...-at-ex-49ers-coaches-to-fill-vital-roles.html

 

[moklerman]

Little late to the party Team G. The OP referenced this story(rumor/speculation?) by Maiocco and it's been reposted a couple of times in this thread.

 

[Shogun]

Oh my god. I seriously hope not.

 

[Covert Rain]

Martz would be a good choice if he cared about running the football. Wasn't the biggest knock on him is that he doesn't care about the running game. I would find that hard to beleive that the Whiz who wants to emphasize more running of the football would bring in a coordinator that doesn't care about it?

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Anyone who supports Martz in AZ... must support KW retiring because this would be the result...

 

[perivolaki]

Martz would be a good choice if he cared about running the football. Wasn't the biggest knock on him is that he doesn't care about the running game. I would find that hard to beleive that the Whiz who wants to emphasize more running of the football would bring in a coordinator that doesn't care about it?

Sometimes we see what we want to see.

With Haley as OC
Cards 2008 regular season-340 rushing attempts
418 passing attempts

With Martz as OC
Rams 1999 regular season-431 rushing attempts
343 passing attempts

 

[CardLogic]

Sometimes we see what we want to see.

With Haley as OC
Cards 2008 regular season-340 rushing attempts
418 passing attempts

With Martz as OC
Rams 1999 regular season-431 rushing attempts
343 passing attempts

Keep in mind that St. Louis had Marshall Faulk at RB. Think that the Cardinals might have had more rushing attempts if they had Faulk in his prime? Hell, even if they had Edgerrin James in his prime they would have run the ball 100 more times.

 

[Perfectionist]

Never Never Never happen!

 

[Spielman]

Sometimes we see what we want to see.

With Haley as OC
Cards 2008 regular season-340 rushing attempts
418 passing attempts

With Martz as OC
Rams 1999 regular season-431 rushing attempts
343 passing attempts

No.

2008 Cardinals: 340 rushes to 630 passing attempts
1999 Rams: 431 rushes to 530 passing attempts

You're reporting the pass completion numbers as attempts.

The Cardinals this year did pass 64.9% of the time, more than any Martz team... except for the 2002 Rams, who were also at 64.9%. Er... and the 2006 Lions, who were at 66.2%, and then came close at 64.4% in 2007.

 

[Shogun]

Sometimes we see what we want to see.

With Haley as OC
Cards 2008 regular season-340 rushing attempts
418 passing attempts

With Martz as OC
Rams 1999 regular season-431 rushing attempts
343 passing attempts

Those Rams had HOF Marshall Faulk and a good o-line. We had a breadtruck and horrid run blocking. Not fair.

 

[Indiana Hoosier]

No way - say it ain't so!

 

[Dr. Jones]

Those Rams had HOF Marshall Faulk and a good o-line. We had a breadtruck and horrid run blocking. Not fair.

This is the post of the thread.... Our line cannot block to the standards of a Martz offense. Kurt will die on the field if Martz is brought in.

 

[chickenhead]

Faulk also caught a lot of screens and passes out of the backfield, so even the pass attempts/completions wasn't all downfield pass-happy.

 

[Stronso]

Oh dear God no.

+1,000,000

 

[Spielman]

Faulk also caught a lot of screens and passes out of the backfield, so even the pass attempts/completions wasn't all downfield pass-happy.

That tends to get overstated. Faulk caught a lot of passes, yes, but I don't think he really caught many more screens than the average feature back. The difference was he was often used as a wide receiver, splitting out to create mismatches. He ran quite a lot of downfield routes, and you can see that in his yards per reception in those years compared to a guy like Curtis Martin, an excellent but more conventional pass-catching back.