Cards to work out Barkley

[az jam]

If you believe a QB is worth taking high in the 2nd round, you should take him in the 1st round.

Reasoning: The QB is so important to the team & its impact on its future that "either a guy has what it takes to be a winner or he doesn't." If he does, he's worth your 1st round pick. If he doesn't, why bother? He's not worth your 2nd or 3rd round pick either. (You'll never win with him anyway, so you might as well use the pick somewhere else where it can do the most good).

I realize that this flies into the logic that guys like Brady (or Kurt or Jim Hart) didn't get drafted high, but when your plan is to draft a blue chip guy to build your franchise around, either he's The Guy...or he's not.

if you're sold on Barkley, he's worth your #7 because of his importance to the franchise. If you're not sold on him, save the pick - you'll never win with him anyway.

Does this make sense? It just feels right.

I understand your logic. Barkley is one of several qbs that I like but feel that they are not top ten picks. I don't think,with Palmer now here, that we need to reach for a qb but can wait to see if one drops into the 2nd, 3rd or even 4th round. Additionally I have a lot of confidence that Arians & Moore can actually develop a young qb which Whiz was not able to do.
I do like Barkley but know that BA & Moore have worked out other qbs like Glennon and Landry Jones. We don't know how they rate them or if they will even draft one this year.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm not sure I even understand what I'm saying, but I think the following rings true:

If you believe a QB is worth taking high in the 2nd round, you should take him in the 1st round.

Reasoning: The QB is so important to the team & its impact on its future that "either a guy has what it takes to be a winner or he doesn't." If he does, he's worth your 1st round pick. If he doesn't, why bother? He's not worth your 2nd or 3rd round pick either. (You'll never win with him anyway, so you might as well use the pick somewhere else where it can do the most good).

I realize that this flies into the logic that guys like Brady (or Kurt or Jim Hart) didn't get drafted high, but when your plan is to draft a blue chip guy to build your franchise around, either he's The Guy...or he's not.

if you're sold on Barkley, he's worth your #7 because of his importance to the franchise. If you're not sold on him, save the pick - you'll never win with him anyway.

Does this make sense? It just feels right.

QB is the most important position on the team, so yes that makes sense

 

[vinnymac]

This is why they got Palmer. They didn't want to be in a situation to have to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds. I believe RB should be should be addressed in the second.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He'd be a terrible pick and a terrible fit for Arians offense. If the Cards are going to waste the 38th pick on him, they may as well try and try and use that pick to trade up and get someone that can and will help the team.

I don't hold the "USC" thing against him. I hold the "he's not very good " thing against him.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

Barkley as a guy who will learn for a year or 2 under fellow USC grad Palmer? I think that would be an amazing situation for him and us.

That's the first thing I thought of when I read we'd signed Palmer.

And if it happens, I won't be surprised. They're also two Orange County guys. There's going to be a bond (the OC/USC link is HUGE) there and they'll speak the same lingo.

 

[Cardsfanstl]

If they take a QB in the second I would rather have EJ Manual than Barkley.

 

[NashDishesDimes]

I'd be okay with it, I like him. I think hes genuinely a good dude as well. I'd be okay with it but it would be tough to pass on a good OLB or OG/OC for a player that probably won't see the field for two years...

I'm somewhere caught between "win-now" and build for future which makes it difficult plan for what I'd like to see...

 

[MWOOD92]

Oh man if we somehow got Barkley in 2nd or traded up into first to get him without givignup next years first.....

I would be ecstatic. Palmer, Stanton, Barkley???? Sign me up.

I love Matt Barkley but the timing of this is odd to me.

That's what I'm sayin

 

[Chopper0080]

He'd be a terrible pick and a terrible fit for Arians offense. If the Cards are going to waste the 38th pick on him, they may as well try and try and use that pick to trade up and get someone that can and will help the team.

I don't hold the "USC" thing against him. I hold the "he's not very good " thing against him.

Agreed

 

[crisper57]

Oddly enough after watching Game Changers on NFLN I wouldn't mind him at our pick.

He doesn't get to bring the USC receivers that made him look so go with him.

 

[Dan H]

He doesn't get to bring the USC receivers that made him look so go with him.

Wasn't throwing to USC receivers, he was running drills and talking about game theory and play calling. Amazing footwork and sounded confident but not cocky.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

He doesn't get to bring the USC receivers that made him look so go with him.

True, but he would have Fitz, Floyd and Roberts to throw to. Not too shabby if you ask me. What you lose in RAC you gain in the ability to throw it up high out of the defenders reach.

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[MWOOD92]

He doesn't get to bring the USC receivers that made him look so go with him.

You mean the receivers that were part of the problem for USC last year?

 

[Buckybird]

You mean the receivers that were part of the problem for USC last year?

Really? Both those guys are pretty damn great if you ask me.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Really? Both those guys are pretty damn great if you ask me.

Lee will almost certainly go top 5 or so next year. Unless he has a down year this year, but I doubt it.

 

[MWOOD92]

Really? Both those guys are pretty damn great if you ask me.

Their overall body of work maybe, but I didn't think they (as a group) were very impressive last year. I've seen them completely give up on plays on numerous occasions, leading to interceptions.

 

[crisper57]

Yeah they totally gave up all those times their YACs inflated Barkley's passing yards for the year.

He is a dink and dunk QB that rode their coattails all season long.

 

[MWOOD92]

Yeah they totally gave up all those times their YACs inflated Barkley's passing yards for the year.

He is a dink and dunk QB that rode their coattails all season long.

Most of his "dink and dunk" passes were the cause of a poopy O-line crumbling infront of him. That entire USC offense sucked equally. Barkley just got blamed for it.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Most of his "dink and dunk" passes were the cause of a poopy O-line crumbling infront of him. That entire USC offense sucked equally. Barkley just got blamed for it.

It's weird to have found someone else who doesn't have some sort of dilusion that the USC OL is good. Maybe they had some very good OLs in the past, but last year was really bad. Like if you don't have the ball out in 2 seconds you are going to get killed bad.

 

[MWOOD92]

It's weird to have found someone else who doesn't have some sort of dilusion that the USC OL is good. Maybe they had some very good OLs in the past, but last year was really bad. Like if you don't have the ball out in 2 seconds you are going to get killed bad.

Exactly. Had he held on to the ball and got sacked, everybody would have been pointing at the OL. Barkley did what he could to dump it off to his receivers and they ran with it. But when it came down to the medium/deep passes, the receivers would usually give up on the route and allow the defender to snag it. Barkley isn't as bad as most people make him out to be. Is he a top 10 QB? No. But he's definitely a 1st round pick IMO.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

If they take a QB in the second I would rather have EJ Manual than Barkley.

I can't see him getting by Philly in round 2. Kelly wanted him for his offense at Oregon. I think Manuel to Philly, if someone doesn't move in front of them and snag him, is a slam dunk.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Should Warner be discoutned because he had Fitz in 2008 and 2009? And Issac Bruce and Torry Holt in 2000?

I dont get this line of thinking.

If you actually watch Barkley throw he is crazy accurate throwing the ball right at the number so his guys can take off and run. Thats nothign to scoff at.

Barkley is a good talent. All depends on the situation he goes too. Cards in 2nd would be ideal IMO.

 

[BW52]

Too many simply dislike Barkley because of his school and Leinart.If the guy was awful people wouldn`t even be considering him .Some fans would rather tout a 1 year wonder who was barely adequate on a poor team or Mr Arm Sr=trength who can`t hit the broad side of a barn.

 

[crisper57]

Too many simply dislike Barkley because of his school and Leinart.If the guy was awful people wouldn`t even be considering him .Some fans would rather tout a 1 year wonder who was barely adequate on a poor team or Mr Arm Sr=trength who can`t hit the broad side of a barn.

I don't care about his school, or else I'd have major issues with signing Palmer. I will admit that watching Leinart dink and dunk his way out of AZ is in the back of my mind when watching Barkley. It's not a fair comparison, but who says fans have to be rational all the time?

In truth, I think he is Jimmy Clausen Part II. I just don't see anything in him that makes me think he can be a legitimate starting QB in the NFL. If he's there in the second round, fine, take him. He won't be, but I won't whine about it.

But if we pass on one of the elite OL in the first round, I swear to God, I am going to lose it.

 

[PitchShifter]

Should Warner be discoutned because he had Fitz in 2008 and 2009? And Issac Bruce and Torry Holt in 2000?

I dont get this line of thinking.

The argument isn't that Warner didn't have quality receivers, but in the order of magnitude in the difference of talent/skill of Lee and Woods over the defenses they faced versus what you will see in the NFL.