Ahhh now your going to get evicserated
First off lets talk about the actual numbers that you suggest are so "ridiculous"
Kyle Orton
2008 - 58% 18 TDs 12 INTS 79 rating
2009 - 62% 21 TDs 12 INTS 86 rating
2010 - 58% 20 TDs 9 INT 87 rating
Carson Palmer
2007 - 65% 26 TDs 20 INT 87 Rating
2008 - Injured
2009 - 60% 21 TDS 13 INT 84 Rating
2010 - 62% 26 TDs 20 INT 83 Rating
Numbers dont look so disparate now do they? Then you factor in the Bengals are playing the Steelers and Ravens twice a year opposed to the Broncos who not only played the AFC West but the incompetent NFC West as well. That will help anyones numbers.
(So we are going to discount the 4 games Palmer played in 2008, ok. Also, your argument loses weight when you start weighing a players stats because of the division that he plays in. Good QB's play well regardless of the divisions.)
Do you know who the OC for the Bengals is??
(Bob Bratkowski, been a coach in the NFL for almost 20 years. Was the offensive coordinator for the Bengals during all those years when Palmer was a top Quarterback. Kind of ruins your argument when you discount the coordinator of Palmer's entire career) Yeah neither does anyone else. Meanwhile for all of Josh McDaniels faults, he is an absolute mastermind and led THE GREATEST OFFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT. Tom Brady played for Josh McDaniels in 2007. HE THREW FOR 50 TDS. He hasn't come close since Josh left. If you dont think playing for Josh McDaniels and his passing offense doesn't inflate a QB's numbers, you might as well stop reading right now because there is no helping you.
Your touting Ocho and T.O. as for reasons he has better numbers. LOL. I say that ADDS to his degree of difficulty dealing with those two head cases. BTW he had T.O this year (not last) and Orton had Brandon Marshall last year. Oh yeah and Brandon Lloyd had the best year of the four of them. So lets call it a wash in terms of WR talent.
(I want to point out that you just compared Brandon Lloyd to TO, Chad Johnson, TJ Houshmanzadah, and Brandon Marshall. Kyle Orton developed Lloyd, Eddie Royal and Jabar Gaffney into a top offense, not the other way around. Palmer has been surrounded by top wide receivers for years in and since the injury has been very mediocre.)
You say that because Carson has a running game it was another reason he should have been better. The Bengals were a smash mouth team. They were a running team these last two years. You think that took away from Palmers TD numbers maybe just a bit? They had a 1000 yard rusher both years. Thats chewing up clock that doesnt happen in McDaniel's pass happy offense.
(If any argument is to be made here, it is that despite having a solid running game, Palmer has still managed to turn the ball over significantly more than a QB in a pass happy offense.)
You cite Carson's age as a reason Orton the better bet. What are you talking about?We have seen both of their ceilings in their career so far. Carson's is much higher. And its not like Carson is 36. He is 31. By your reasoning we should go for Jamarcus Russell because he is a WHOLE 3 years younger then Orton. My point? That until 35 you don't have to really worry about a QB's skills deterioating so its a moot point if you like Palmer better as a player. I would rather have 5 years of Carson then what I feel would be 8 years of mediocre Orton. So the age thing means nothing to me.
(Yes, I think it is better to bank on the younger QB when he had had more productive seasons in the last 3 years than the older QB. I have a hard time seeing an argument against that. Especially when the older QB that you say has a higher ceiling hasn't sniffed that ceiling in any year since his major injury.)
Most importantly? Lets look at Carsons pedigree.
Here is his 2005 and 2006 numbers prior to getting hurt.
2006 62% 28 TDs 13 INTS 94 rating
2005 68% 32 TDs 12 INTs 102 rating
He was the first pick in the draft, has a rocket arm, and is deadly accurate.
(The key word in all of this is "prior." All these numbers are prior to a severe knee injury that has kept Palmer from being anywhere close to the QB that he used to be. He WAS the first pick, HAD a rocket arm, and WAS deadly accurate. Years ago that WAS the case, not recently however.)
Has Kyle Orton even had 2 years COMBINED reach that ridiculous 2005? Sure that was a while (and a big injury) ago but like Warner showed, you can bring that stuff back to life if you have the right coaching and talent in place.
Is Palmer a sure thing? No way. No one availble is. Thats why they are available.
Am i "ridiculous" because I would rather take a chance on a guy with all the tools who has been playing for the worst franchise in the sport over a guy whose never going to throw over 25 TDs and has never shown he can carry a team on his back?
No I am not. See we had a difference in opinion and while I am okay with someone preferring Orton to Palmer (although I hope if anyone was on the fence I just pushed them to the Palmer side) you think its "ridiculous" that I could want Palmer over Orton.
(Yes I still believe that is ridiculous to pay the same price for an older QB, who has recently been less productive, and has hardly shown a glimpse of the ability that he had before a severe knee injury. In other words I prefer the younger QB with better numbers over the past 3 years, who has improved every season and takes care of the football.)
Hopefully you choose your words a little more carefully next time.
(I do choose my words carefully, and this is not a time where I would take them back)
