Chances Adam Dunn Returns For The 2009 Season

[Gee!]

I hope to God this guy doesnt come back next year.. Its become evident why Cincy has sucked for so long.. This guy is not clutch at all.. He doesnt seem to make the lineup any better.. He's weird.. Hopefully we can get 2 picks for him.. I hope the chances are very low he returns next year.. Prolly one of the worst mid season pick ups we ever did.. We didnt need OF's but got Mr. No Big Game anyways..

 

[Diamondback Jay]

Not like they bankrupted their farm to get him.

I'd like to see Dunn return.. He's got the power in the middle of the lineup that roster has needed.

 

[Gee!]

Not like they bankrupted their farm to get him.

I'd like to see Dunn return.. He's got the power in the middle of the lineup that roster has needed.

It doesnt matter what they gave up.. Its what we got.. We got another OF in a area where we have been trading people to make room.. And Dunn isnt clutch at all.. For all his power, he rarely effects a game in any way.. Im not sure how you could justify bringing him back after them two things..

 

[nashman]

The threat of a 40 HR guy hiiting cleanup does affect your line up!

 

[TJ]

Id rather get a hitting coach that can train our hitters not to strike out 200 times/season. Way too much potential in our line up without Dunn being wasted because our hitters lack plate discipline

 

[The Commish]

Rather have the 2 picks...

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Agree with Gee on this one, he is worthless. Sure, he'll hit a bunch of homers, but he is awful defensively and doesn't seem to come up big in important moments. I heard talk about him getting a contract averaging 15 per, which I think is insane. Anyone who pays him more than 10 per is ridiculous.

 

[CardNots]

zero chance he will come back. I'll take the two picks. Never know when we might need to trade the farm for nothing. Gotta make sure ya have the farm stocked.

 

[HooverDam]

The D'backs won't be able to afford him, so they'll offer arbitration, lose out, and get two picks.

But those of you say he has to go because he's not 'clutch' are freakin' ridiculous. 'Clutch' is a completely unmeasurable, unreasonable way to measure a player. You're going entirely on your gut, which is not a good way to make baseball decisions. The guys got a great OBP, and is always towards the top of the league in home runs, he's the type of guy the D'backs have needed in the middle for a long time, its unfortunate they won't be able to retain him.

 

[AzKarl]

You are absolutely right

The D'backs won't be able to afford him, so they'll offer arbitration, lose out, and get two picks.

But those of you say he has to go because he's not 'clutch' are freakin' ridiculous. 'Clutch' is a completely unmeasurable, unreasonable way to measure a player. You're going entirely on your gut, which is not a good way to make baseball decisions. The guys got a great OBP, and is always towards the top of the league in home runs, he's the type of guy the D'backs have needed in the middle for a long time, its unfortunate they won't be able to retain him.

This guy would make all the hitters in the lineup better over the course of an entire year because of his plate discipline and walks. Tell me we would not have won more close games with some of those 40 homers? He could play 1st base and Conner could stay in left and we could trade Chad Tracey for a six pack of beer.

 

[BC867]

I'm with HooverDam and AzKarl.

Dunn's presence at cleanup helped whoever was batting 3rd immensely.

This year it was Jackson. Look at how he went on a tear after slumping in the middle of the season.

Next year it should be Upton. Look at the tear he went on when he hit 3rd while Jackson was out.

I like Jackson in LF -- he is solid.

Upton has superstar potential. It should be fostered. The D'backs would come out ahead two ways. In terms of victories and, down the road, having a superstar.

 

[The Commish]

I'm with HooverDam and AzKarl.

Dunn's presence at cleanup helped whoever was batting 3rd immensely.

This year it was Jackson. Look at how he went on a tear after slumping in the middle of the season.

Next year it should be Upton. Look at the tear he went on when he hit 3rd while Jackson was out.

I like Jackson in LF -- he is solid.

Upton has superstar potential. It should be fostered. The D'backs would come out ahead two ways. In terms of victories and, down the road, having a superstar.

Yeah but at what cost? If he gets anything over 10mil/year the DBacks simply can't re-sign him.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

The Diamondbacks really can't offer him anything longer than three years (and that third year is a stretch), so its unlikely that the team will be able to retain Dunn. Even so they'd probably have to find a taker for Eric Byrnes in order for it to work. Not necessarily to free up the money, but to spare the clubhouse from the Eric's mouth if he got parked on the bench. Its a shame because the lineup is significantly better with Dunn, but the Diamondbacks are still in a pretty tight spot financially. Of course you have to put up with all of the strikeouts from guys like him and Reynolds, but the Diamondbacks aren't going to find a better OPS threat that Dunn in the free agent market. This offseason, we'll get to find out just how creative Josh Byrnes is.

 

[Gee!]

The threat of a 40 HR guy hiiting cleanup does affect your line up!

Ask the Reds fans or think back on the time he spent in a Dbacks uni this year.. How did it work out? Not too swell.. Did any of the other Dbacks magically start hitting better?

If he cames back Imma start referring to Adam and Josh as Dunn and Dunner..

 

[overseascardfan]

If we lose out on Dunn, I would go after Hank Blalock, he is a health risk but he is a great player when healthy. He could play 3rd and move Reynolds to 1st. Plus we would get 2 comp picks for Dunn.

 

[HooverDam]

Ask the Reds fans or think back on the time he spent in a Dbacks uni this year.. How did it work out? Not too swell.. Did any of the other Dbacks magically start hitting better?

If he cames back Imma start referring to Adam and Josh as Dunn and Dunner..

You do realize you could put Babe Ruth on those Reds teams and they'd still be horrible, right? Baseball isn't basketball, its rare that one guy can totally turn a team around and carry them on his own. Over the course of 162 games a guy like Adam Dunn is going to help your team far more often than he hurts them, but you seem to have a limited knowledge of sabermetrics, so maybe this argument is in vain.

 

[nashman]

Gee if you think Dunn's presence didn't help the Dbacks this season I am not sure you even watched and if you did not sure you understand the game. His presence alone helped and he has drove in some runs as well as helped the players around him see alot better pitches to hit and be more selective on which they were swinging at. YOu must have forgotten the terrible play that the players were showing before Dunn. If the freakin bullpen doesn't give away games at such an alarming rate this team would have won the division again. We lost teh division by a few games with some bad stretches and a terrible bullpen its not like we are a terrible team, we are a young team that is still learning.

 

[Gee!]

You do realize you could put Babe Ruth on those Reds teams and they'd still be horrible, right? Baseball isn't basketball, its rare that one guy can totally turn a team around and carry them on his own. Over the course of 162 games a guy like Adam Dunn is going to help your team far more often than he hurts them, but you seem to have a limited knowledge of sabermetrics, so maybe this argument is in vain.

Dude.. In a warped way you just compared Dunn to Babe Ruth.. I cant take anything you say serious anymore..

 

[Gee!]

Gee if you think Dunn's presence didn't help the Dbacks this season I am not sure you even watched and if you did not sure you understand the game. His presence alone helped and he has drove in some runs as well as helped the players around him see alot better pitches to hit and be more selective on which they were swinging at. YOu must have forgotten the terrible play that the players were showing before Dunn. If the freakin bullpen doesn't give away games at such an alarming rate this team would have won the division again. We lost teh division by a few games with some bad stretches and a terrible bullpen its not like we are a terrible team, we are a young team that is still learning.

The only thing that matters to me is W's and L's .. And what I saw was we lost the NL west title and a playoff spot since Dunn got here..

 

[nashman]

To be fair Gee we were headed downhill way before Dunn got here and made things better! Our runs and walks and just generally scoring went UP when Dunn got here. Not sure how you didn't see that when everyone else did.

 

[Gee!]

To be fair Gee we were headed downhill way before Dunn got here and made things better! Our runs and walks and just generally scoring went UP when Dunn got here. Not sure how you didn't see that when everyone else did.

I guess Im basing this all on a Cincy fan that works with me and he said this Dunn.. Non clutch, disappears but eats alot of salary.. And from what I saw this year he is correct..

And if we were already tanking, wasnt Dunn suppose to come and help us out? Nope, he helped contribute in the tanking.. Great guy that Adam Dunn I tell ya..

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I guess Im basing this all on a Cincy fan that works with me and he said this Dunn.. Non clutch, disappears but eats alot of salary.. And from what I saw this year he is correct..

And if we were already tanking, wasnt Dunn suppose to come and help us out? Nope, he helped contribute in the tanking.. Great guy that Adam Dunn I tell ya..

Dunn was one of the few who played with any kind of pulse down the stretch. Unfortunately, he's only one person in the consumate team sport. He could have hit .500 and hit a homer every at bat he had and the team still would have tanked.

 

[Gee!]

Dunn was one of the few who played with any kind of pulse down the stretch. Unfortunately, he's only one person in the consumate team sport. He could have hit .500 and hit a homer every at bat he had and the team still would have tanked.

You lost me there.. That is not true.. If anything baseball is an idividual sport, that is set up in time.. Not everything is happening all at once.. Baseball is more of a chess game that takes time to develop.. Football and basketball, where its going fast, is the ultimate team sport.. Football more than anything is the consumate team sport..

 

[HooverDam]

Dude.. In a warped way you just compared Dunn to Babe Ruth.. I cant take anything you say serious anymore..

Um, no I didn't compare Dunn to Ruth in anyway actually. I just said that one good player, no matter how good, can't turn a team w/ 8 other stiffs into a winner.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

You lost me there.. That is not true.. If anything baseball is an idividual sport, that is set up in time.. Not everything is happening all at once.. Baseball is more of a chess game that takes time to develop.. Football and basketball, where its going fast, is the ultimate team sport.. Football more than anything is the consumate team sport..

Let me give you an example of how baseball is a consumate team sport.

Brandon Webb had 22 wins this season. Granted, this is a very good season under any standard, however with a little bit of run support and bullpen help in 7 of those losses, he could have won at least three of them, taking him up to 25.

Albert Pujols had 37 homers this season. If he played with Ryan Howard's protection in the lineup, he'd have at least 45.

Baseball may be a strategic game, but it's also a team one.