Chandler Jones Stats Through 2 Games

[jbeecham]

Interesting article on Revenge of the Birds:

"Jones has been the most productive pass rusher for the Arizona Cardinals in the first two games and it is not even close, as Jones has two sacks, four quarterback pressures and five quarterback hits on the season, 11 total quarterback disruptions.

Second on the team is Markus Golden, who has two sacks as well, but only two additional quarterback pressures and one quarterback hit for five total quarterback disruptions on the season."

Chandler Jones 87 pass rush snaps, 2 sacks, 3 hits, 6 hurries.

Markus Golden 57 pass rush snaps, 2 sacks, 1 hit, 2 hurries.

Jones is creating a disruption on 12.6% of plays, Golden on 8.7%."

 

[NashDishesDimes]

Yeah I saw this. The article is very deceiving because it doesnt compare Jones to the standard of the position, it just compares him to Golden.

I have however noticed a few times that he is double teamed by the O. Id like to see statistics is to how often he has been double teamed.

 

[jbeecham]

It actually compares him to every other defensive player on the Cardinals roster, but you're right that it doesn't compare him to guys on other teams like Von Miller, Khalil Mack, etc.

Edit: Khalil Mack doesn't have a sack in his 1st 2 games. Von Miller has 4 sacks in 2 games.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Jones has been fine. I guess if he doesn't have 27 sacks this year, people will be disappointed.

Like was said above, he's been double teamed and is the main focal of the other team's OL.

 

[Russ Smith]

Jones has been fine. I guess if he doesn't have 27 sacks this year, people will be disappointed.

Like was said above, he's been double teamed and is the main focal of the other team's OL.

The other thing is teams are literally designing schemes to stop him from getting to the QB. They keep cut blocking him and running screens etc to his side to try and slow him down.

It's the same thing with CC everyone complains about the lack of stats and doesn't seem to grasp that teams literally scheme around how to avoid him and how to double him to prevent him from blowing up the plays, which makes it easier on the rest of the guys. A big reason D Waste was such a disruptive force there was he was often free due to the attention given to Calais.

Chandler Jones has been just fine, when people are scheming to slow you down it's supposed to allow others to make plays, those other guys have to make plays.

 

[Bodha]

He will be tagged next year, so we will have another look at him before we decide whether or not to pay him his $100M


Honestly, Im leaning towards 'not'. I feel like there are good pass rushers to be found in drafts, for cheaper, so long as we prioritize finding them or trading up to get them.

That $100M contract has HUGE implications to your roster, so you better be 100% sure before you make the offer. Thus far, he doesn't deserve it. I don't like paying guys based on position. Hes an pass rusher, or a LT, or CB, therefore he gets huge money regardless of performance.

No, your play dictates your money. Trash franchises pay out bank based on position. The best teams pay performance.

 

[Reign Blood]

Chandler Jones was traded to us because we need him. Just wait until the Carolina game where we needed a DE to get to Cam. The same goes for Wilson and the two or maybe three games this season to come.

This week is a vision of what Kiem sees getting to T. Taylor.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

I know it's unrealistic, but both, Jones and Golden are on pace for 16 sacks. Are we going to be unhappy if they both end up with say...11. I know I won't. I'll be crazy happy.

 

[iRobot]

I'd rather see the pressures. Von Miller has 4 sacks and Jones has 2 but at least one of Jones's sacks were garbage time and coverage sack related.

 

[BigRedRage]

I'd rather see the pressures. Von Miller has 4 sacks and Jones has 2 but at least one of Jones's sacks were garbage time and coverage sack related.

only on a football forum will we nitpick coverage sacks

 

[Harry]

It also fails to note that Jones' sack in the second game was after the outcome was decided. He hasn't looked special, but he's learning a new defense, so I'll be patient.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

He will be tagged next year, so we will have another look at him before we decide whether or not to pay him his $100M


Honestly, Im leaning towards 'not'. I feel like there are good pass rushers to be found in drafts, for cheaper, so long as we prioritize finding them or trading up to get them.

That $100M contract has HUGE implications to your roster, so you better be 100% sure before you make the offer. Thus far, he doesn't deserve it. I don't like paying guys based on position. Hes an pass rusher, or a LT, or CB, therefore he gets huge money regardless of performance.

No, your play dictates your money. Trash franchises pay out bank based on position. The best teams pay performance.

I think 3-4 outside pass rushers are almost the hardest to project to the NFL and you'd be hard-pressed to find one as good as Jones. There are waaayyyy more failures than hits.

 

[Bodha]

I think 3-4 outside pass rushers are almost the hardest to project to the NFL and you'd be hard-pressed to find one as good as Jones. There are waaayyyy more failures than hits.

Same goes for CBs and LTs. That's what I mean by "paying the position, not performance".

You have a rare position player who plays better than most at that position, but all things equal, hes not a game changer. That guy does not deserve these $100M deals.

I feel like New England has done a good job with that. You rarely see them paying ransoms to players. You also see mostly no-names on their roster, yet there they are consistently winning superbowls.

 

[Big D]

I have noticed that Calais is having more of an impact these first two games than he seemed to be having much of last season.

He doesn't seem to be moving better or giving more effort or anything to my untrained eye, so I came to the conclusion that teams are now giving Jones much of the attention that was previously paid to CC.

Chandler Jones' effectiveness and worth won't always be able to be measured simply by his stat line.

 

[Bodha]

I have noticed that Calais is having more of an impact these first two games than he seemed to be having much of last season.

He doesn't seem to be moving better or giving more effort or anything to my untrained eye, so I came to the conclusion that teams are now giving Jones much of the attention that was previously paid to CC.

Chandler Jones' effectiveness and worth won't always be able to be measured simply by his stat line.

That could be it. Although I feel 2 games in is too small a sample size. Week 1 CC was matched up on a backup LT. Week 2 the LT (Donovan smith I believe) is a 2nd year guy - OK LT.

Regardless, I think everyone is in agreement that Chandler needs to make a bigger impact early when it matters. Not in the 4th up by 30.

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

Same goes for CBs and LTs. That's what I mean by "paying the position, not performance".

You have a rare position player who plays better than most at that position, but all things equal, hes not a game changer. That guy does not deserve these $100M deals.

I feel like New England has done a good job with that. You rarely see them paying ransoms to players. You also see mostly no-names on their roster, yet there they are consistently winning superbowls.

I don't know, Bodha. Considering Jones' position and the fact that NE was getting rid of the ball so fast, I don't think you can fault Jones for not being a game-changer there. More push in the middle would've made the difference in that game, IMHO.

Against TB, it wasn't like he really needed to take control. Everyone did their job pretty well. I have to go with Harry on the second part of his statement: he's still learning the defense - and a complicated one, at that.

 

[Bodha]

Against TB, it wasn't like he really needed to take control. Everyone did their job pretty well. I have to go with Harry on the second part of his statement: he's still learning the defense - and a complicated one, at that.

If a QB gets the ball out superfast, I agree nothing you can do. But I disagree on both parts of the 2nd paragraph.

1. Its always needed. IDC if we are down by 20 or up by 20, he needs to be trying to get sacks as if the game is on the line every snap.

2. Hes a pass rusher. Arguably he has the easiest job in terms of position knowledge in the NFL. 3rd and long, its a pass guaranteed. Its you vs the LT. Ring the bell. That's really it.

 

[Timm Rosenbach]

We have a respectable pass rush and a respectable offensive line....For the first time in the 28 years that I have been following the Carddinals

 

[Redneck Voodoo]

If a QB gets the ball out superfast, I agree nothing you can do. But I disagree on both parts of the 2nd paragraph.

1. Its always needed. IDC if we are down by 20 or up by 20, he needs to be trying to get sacks as if the game is on the line every snap.

2. Hes a pass rusher. Arguably he has the easiest job in terms of position knowledge in the NFL. 3rd and long, its a pass guaranteed. Its you vs the LT. Ring the bell. That's really it.

I hear you, bro - I'm just not ready to make a judgement yet. It's way too early for me, at this point.

As to your second point - I'm not an NFL player or coach, but I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as point and shoot for a pass-rush, specialist. Not saying you're wrong or calling you out; but a defense is designed around a team effort - and far as the 2nd game, this defense did its job as a unit. I'll take that over one players persaonal stats any day of the year.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Freeney at his age seemed to have a lot more energy than what I have seen from Jones right now and hope that changes as the season progresses... to be an elite defense, we need to have that one guy which takes over a game even if doubled team and I do not know if Jones has shown the ability but again it is early as some stated and we shall see

 

[PDXChris]

Freeney at his age seemed to have a lot more energy than what I have seen from Jones right now and hope that changes as the season progresses... to be an elite defense, we need to have that one guy which takes over a game even if doubled team and I do not know if Jones has shown the ability but again it is early as some stated and we shall see

Freeney had 2 sacks in his first 4 games last year for the Cardinals and has zero in his first 2 this year. Jones seems to be ahead of the curve here.

 

[Big D]

I will say this - Through 3 weeks of the season NE's defense doesn't seem to be missing Jones one bit. They have one hell of a program up there.

I think this is one of those rare win-win trades for both sides.

 

[juza76]

but we lack speed,we need someone with elite speed to pair with jones
lb's are undersize or slow

 

[nashman]

It's two games, I would say midway thru the season would be more of the time to evaluate the situation. The defense needs more time to come together as a unit and be fully healthy like HB playing full speed and at his normal position. We aren't definitely upgraded on D from last season IMO and we will see results as they play and become a unit, 2 games way to early to judge.