Channing Frye Out Indefinitely

[AzStevenCal]

Well, we have one person saying Lopez was so worthless we won't miss him, and then someone else saying "Yep, good thing we got O'Neal!" What conclusion would you draw from that exchange?

It could mean that we were fortunate to replace our worthless backup center with another player cut from the same cloth.

Steve

 

[MadCardDisease]

Just out of curiosity, do you attribute your enlarged heart to chemo in general or to a specific drug? I know that Adriamycin can damage the heart but it wouldn't surprise me to learn that it's a problem with a lot of the chemicals they pump in to us in an attempt to save our lives. Glad to hear your heart/EF has improved.

Steve

I believe it was the Adriamycin.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Well, we have one person saying Lopez was so worthless we won't miss him, and then someone else saying "Yep, good thing we got O'Neal!" What conclusion would you draw from that exchange?

It is possible that Robin Lopez will improve this year. Bigs mature more slowly. Thats why I hated to get rid of him.

But he was not going to develop as well playing behind Gortat. In backup minutes, I don't think the overall impact is going to be much different with either player (Lopez or ONeal). Obviously, Lopez has more upside, and will make more of an impact with starter's minutes. Certainly Lopez' numbers will be better than ONeal's this year--he will be starting for NOLA. But I do not think he would have that much more of an impact given the role that he would have played on this team.

 

[Chaplin]

It is possible that Robin Lopez will improve this year. Bigs mature more slowly. Thats why I hated to get rid of him.

But he was not going to develop as well playing behind Gortat. In backup minutes, I don't think the overall impact is going to be much different with either player (Lopez or ONeal). Obviously, Lopez has more upside, and will make more of an impact with starter's minutes. Certainly Lopez' numbers will be better than ONeal's this year--he will be starting for NOLA. But I do not think he would have that much more of an impact given the role that he would have played on this team.

When does a player stop having "upside"? Lopez isn't exactly a rookie anymore.

 

[Chaplin]

Well, we have one person saying Lopez was so worthless we won't miss him, and then someone else saying "Yep, good thing we got O'Neal!" What conclusion would you draw from that exchange?

I don't think it was about the Lopez vs. O'Neal player debate more than it was simply "at least we have a backup center". You'd have to cross your fingers either way--whether it was hoping O'Neal will stay healthy or Lopez will play better than a neanderthal.

 

[JCSunsfan]

When does a player stop having "upside"? Lopez isn't exactly a rookie anymore.

With a big man? Probably somewhere around age 25 depending upon experience.

 

[Chaplin]

With a big man? Probably somewhere around age 25 depending upon experience.

You also have to qualify that with younger big men tend to not get a lot of minutes as rookies and sophomores. Lopez is an exception, he's gotten time from the get-go and has done nothing with it.

 

[BC867]

You also have to qualify that with younger big men tend to not get a lot of minutes as rookies and sophomores. Lopez is an exception, he's gotten time from the get-go and has done nothing with it.

Isn't it more that Robin has just not shown a reasonable basketball IQ? And, even worse, not much of an improvement in the time he was here.

Which indicates a likelihood that time is winding down on expecting any significant change in that area from here on out.

 

[JCSunsfan]

You also have to qualify that with younger big men tend to not get a lot of minutes as rookies and sophomores. Lopez is an exception, he's gotten time from the get-go and has done nothing with it.

I thought thats what "depending on experience" communicated. Sorry I wasnt clear enough.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Isn't it more that Robin has just not shown a reasonable basketball IQ? And, even worse, not much of an improvement in the time he was here.

Which indicates a likelihood that time is winding down on expecting any significant change in that area from here on out.

I think that's part of it. He also seems to come up short in the emotional stability area. If he remains in the game I wouldn't be surprised to see him cross an uncrossable line. He's not without talent and there were times where he really looked like he was about to blossom but he's someone else's asset/headache now and I'm not about to mourn his absence. Maybe the lights will go on for him but it won't be hard to replace what he actually gave us the past two years.

Steve

 

[JCSunsfan]

Isn't it more that Robin has just not shown a reasonable basketball IQ? And, even worse, not much of an improvement in the time he was here.

Which indicates a likelihood that time is winding down on expecting any significant change in that area from here on out.

And it could be just a maturity thing.

Sociologists are now saying adolescence is now extending to the late 20's. Young men are still living in their parents basements playing video games at 30. How many of your generation and mine were doing that (we're the old codgers on this board)? Good grief, the guy's reading material is comic books. . . and he went to Stanford!

 

[AzStevenCal]

And it could be just a maturity thing.

Sociologists are now saying adolescence is now extending to the late 20's. Young men are still living in their parents basements playing video games at 30. How many of your generation and mine were doing that (we're the old codgers on this board)? Good grief, the guy's reading material is comic books. . . and he went to Stanford!

I don't think he has the right temperament for competitive endeavors. I've never seen someone excel in a team sport who behaves as he does. He doesn't seem to be a bad guy and obviously he's fairly smart but competition doesn't bring the best out of him and I doubt that will ever change.

Steve

 

[Phrazbit]

I dont think anyone will regret getting a 1st for Lopez and not having to pay his current contract he got from New Orleans, even if Jermaine O'Neal never plays a single productive minute and literally takes dumps in the locker room... both of which are a distinct possibility.

Good for Frye that they caught this early. That kind of stuff is deadly for athletes.

As for the Suns, I dont think this effects them much. If Frye was going to line up at center then the Suns were in big big trouble anyway, he cant play the position (no offense to the recently ill).

And sorry if this next part is too soon... I honestly really like Channing the guy, I've met him a few times, a friend of his (Lute Olson's grandson), dated a girl I'm friends with.

That said...

If this condition does lead to his retirement I know there are provisions where teams can recover the cap space based on an injury retirement, but is it the full amount or do the Suns only receive a portion of the sum?

 

[AzStevenCal]

I believe it was the Adriamycin.

I'm not surprised, that stuff is nasty.

Steve

 

[Mainstreet]

I was reading that insurance will reimburse part of Andrew Bynum's salary for this season. It would seem the same should apply to Channing Frye.

See link below.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226686/Thorn-Bynums-Contract-Partially-Insured

 

[Absolute Zero]

I was reading that insurance will reimburse part of Andrew Bynum's salary for this season. It would seem the same should apply to Channing Frye.

See link below.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/226686/Thorn-Bynums-Contract-Partially-Insured

Do they both have the same policy?

 

[Errntknght]

Bynum has the standard NBA policy that all players have so I imagine the answer is yes.

 

[Mainstreet]

Do they both have the same policy?

As Errntknght suggests, the answer is probably yes.

Now if Frye is not able to return to basketball... I'm not sure how it is handled. Does he continues to count against the Suns CAP in future seasons? It would seem at some point the insurance would pay Frye's remaining salary (or most of it) and he would no longer count towards the Suns salary cap in future seasons because of medical reasons. Maybe someone on the forum knows how this works.

The last time I heard anything about Frye, he was doing well but missed playing in the NBA. I wish him the best.

 

[BC867]

The last time I heard anything about Frye, he was doing well but missed playing in the NBA. I wish him the best.

Channing has made several appearances with Tom Leander and Tom Chambers on the Suns pre-game show. Chambers was lucky to get a word in sitting next to him.

Frye should have no trouble getting an on-air gig if and when he has to retire. Hopefully, his enlarged heart won't be a hinderance to anything he wants to do.

 

[Mainstreet]

For what it is worth, I went to Larry Coon's NBA Salary Cap FAQ. I found an answer that may apply (if Frye is medically unable to play), his salary can be removed from the teams salary as I think is described in the part with bolded print. Since Frye did not play in an NBA game during the 2012-13 season, it may apply one year from his last game in the 2011-12 season.

There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion on the one-year anniversary of the last game in which the player played1. Only the player's team at the time the injury or illness was discovered (or reasonably should have been discovered) can apply for this salary exclusion.

The determination as to whether an injury or illness is career ending is made by a physician jointly selected by the league and players association. The determination is based on whether the injury or illness will prevent the player from playing for the remainder of his career, or if it is severe enough that continuing to play constitutes a medically unacceptable risk.

If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary effective:

If the player played 10 or more games1 that season, on the one-year anniversary of the player's last game.
If the player played fewer than 10 games1 that season, 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q61

 

[JCSunsfan]

That's interesting. It certainly explains why trading for an injured player happens so seldom. If the injury occurs with a previous team and you trade for him, he is no longer eligible for this provision if the injury turns out to be career ending.

Its a huge financial and cap risk. The example would be Odom. Any team that traded for Odem while under his previous contract would be liable for it all, even if the injury was career ending. I suppose that also includes signing him to a new contract if he has a known injury issue.

 

[Phrazbit]

That's interesting. It certainly explains why trading for an injured player happens so seldom. If the injury occurs with a previous team and you trade for him, he is no longer eligible for this provision if the injury turns out to be career ending.

Its a huge financial and cap risk. The example would be Odom. Any team that traded for Odem while under his previous contract would be liable for it all, even if the injury was career ending. I suppose that also includes signing him to a new contract if he has a known injury issue.

It also explains why no one will buy my car...

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I keep telling people their insurance will cover it...