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As Bobcats prepare to build a team, Bernie Bickerstaff scouts up a storm

Posted: Tuesday March 9, 2004 2:46PM; Updated: Tuesday March 9, 2004 10:48PM

I've been to Reno, Chicago, Fargo, Minnesota, Buffalo, Toronto, Winslow, Sarasota, Wichita, Tulsa, Ottawa, Oklahoma, Tampa, Panama, Mattua, LaPaloma, Bangor, Baltimore, Salvador, Amarillo, Tocapillo, Pocatello, Amperdillo ... I've been everywhere, man. I've been everywhere, man.
-- Johnny Cash

OK, so maybe Charlotte Bobcats GM/coach Bernie Bickerstaff hasn't traveled as much as the guy in that old country tune, now heard endlessly in TV ads. But Bickerstaff and his team of scouts have been getting around as they prepare to join the NBA as the league's 30th team for the 2004-05 season.

"Peoria, Connecticut, Atlanta," Bickerstaff said, listing just a few of the places he's recently scouted players. "I've got the Big East tournament on Thursday, the ACC on Friday, the SEC on Saturday. Then we've got the NCAA tournament. We've had guys out for the past six months. We've seen all the consensus top high school guys. We've been to Europe. We've ranked all the NBA players from all 29 teams. We've got guys everywhere."

Bickerstaff's crew is working hard to prepare for two key dates in June that will go a long way toward shaping Bobcats history. The first is the NBA expansion draft, June 22 or 23 (the latter if the Finals go seven games). The other is the NBA draft, June 24.

In the expansion draft, the Bobcats must select 14 players off NBA rosters. Each team can protect up to eight players, but no team can lose more than one. In the NBA draft, the Bobcats will have the No. 4 overall pick.

Already speculation is swirling about some of the big names that might be available in the expansion draft. Brian Grant (Heat), Glenn Robinson (Sixers), Grant Hill (Magic), Penny Hardaway (Knicks), Damon Stoudamire (Blazers), Austin Croshere (Pacers), Shawn Bradley (Mavs) and Raef LaFrentz (Celtics) are among those likely to be left unprotected by their clubs. Whether Charlotte would agree to take any of those players -- and their big contracts -- is a different story.

So far the Bobcats are playing their cards close to the vest. Bickerstaff and Executive VP Ed Tapscott have said all along that they would prefer building around young players. However, Bickerstaff said Monday in a phone interview from Atlanta, where he was scouting the Cavs-Hawks game, he wouldn't rule out taking a high-priced veteran if the right guy was available.

"You've got to have some vets," Bickerstaff said. "They're the ones who teach the young guys how to be professional. But you've got to have the right kind of vets, the guys who understand their roles. A lot of teams are saying they're just going to put big money players out there. We've said all along if that player will make a difference for our team we're going to have to seriously consider taking him."

As Bickerstaff points out, those veteran types also could be valuable trade assets for Charlotte to ship to contending teams seeking a player to push them over the hump. As far as trade guidelines, the Bobcats will have near carte blanche during the expansion draft. They can pick players for other teams, and then redirect them via trade, or agree not to select certain players. In return, teams can offer Charlotte draft picks and up to $3 million cash.


For example, let's say the Suns wanted to clear more cap room in order to make a run at Kobe Bryant this summer. Phoenix might be able to convince the Bobcats to select Howard Eisley or Jahidi White by giving them a first-round draft pick and cash. Or maybe a particularly deep team like the Grizzlies could work a deal with the Bobcats not to select, say, Stromile Swift or Earl Watson. It's all perfectly legal.

"It's going to be interesting to see what they're going to do," said Sonics GM Rick Sund. "They have some flexibility. I'm sure a lot of teams will be calling them."

Bickerstaff can't comment on individual players. Per NBA rules, he can't even talk to other clubs until May 5. Not until then can he get on the phone and start listening to offers and sorting through all the "misinformation" and "skullduggery."

For now, Bickerstaff just has to continue packing his suitcase, hitting the road and looking for that proverbial diamond in the rough. Atlanta on Tuesday, New York City on Wednesday, perhaps Pocatello next week.

"We're trying to cover all the scenarios, all the possibilities," Bickerstaff said. "The one thing we've had is time. That's been the great thing. We've got scouting reports on everybody."
 

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Not that it means anything, but it's interesting that they mentioned the Suns specifically. Obviously that appears to be a deal already on the table, or assumed it will be on the table.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
Not that it means anything, but it's interesting that they mentioned the Suns specifically. Obviously that appears to be a deal already on the table, or assumed it will be on the table.

I'm sure it is just because they have reading our posts. :D

The key would be if they are interested in one of the Euro big men. If the Suns have the #5-#6 pick, getting the Sun's pick would permit the Bobcats to take a local favorite like Deng and still draft the project center as well.
 
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Once Sunsfan posts today's ESPN Insider you'll see Chad Ford's prediction for the expansion draft. He has the Phoenix Suns offering $3 million AND their own first-round draft pick (lottery) to Charlotte to take Jahidi White. Now I'm of the opinion that Charlotte would not take Howard Eiseley's contract even if the Phoenix Suns gave up $3 million cash, their own draft pick, and the Charlotte pick (assuming Charlotte makes it). There is just too much money left on Howard Eiseley's contract. Charlotte could waive him, so he wouldn't count against the salary cap. $10 million is a lot to pay for a couple of draft picks though.

Frankly I think Jahidi White would be a great starting center for an expansion team like Charlotte. If Phoenix was willing to give them $3 million cash they would only have to pay him $3.2 million for this season. That's not an unreasonable salary for a decent center. I could even understand if they wanted Phoenix to throw in the Cleveland draft pick. But there's just no way a possible top three draft pick should be included in the deal. If the Phoenix Suns do this, and frankly I think there is a reasonable chance they will, there will be some serious, serious fan backlash if they don't get Kobe Bryant. There's just no other free-agent out there worth a maximum contract.

We'll see.

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yep, i read that too, and its exactly what I was thinking. we're talking about a top 3 pick here, and you're talking about giving it away for cap room? that is basically like going all in during a poker game, with the only worthwhile prize being kobe. unfortunately we don't know if the suns have a pair of two's or a full house...

i would go as far as to say even if we get kobe, we gave up too much. think about it, so far this year, we've given up stephon, two 1st rd draft picks (in the teens), and now a top 3 pick, for kobe. if our pick turns out to be top two, i wouldn't trade at all. hell, we still have a cleveland pick, why not give that one away too...
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
Once Sunsfan posts today's ESPN Insider you'll see Chad Ford's prediction for the expansion draft. He has the Phoenix Suns offering $3 million AND their own first-round draft pick (lottery) to Charlotte to take Jahidi White. Now I'm of the opinion that Charlotte would not take Howard Eiseley's contract even if the Phoenix Suns gave up $3 million cash, their own draft pick, and the Charlotte pick (assuming Charlotte makes it). There is just too much money left on Howard Eiseley's contract. Charlotte could waive him, so he wouldn't count against the salary cap. $10 million is a lot to pay for a couple of draft picks though.

Frankly I think Jahidi White would be a great starting center for an expansion team like Charlotte. If Phoenix was willing to give them $3 million cash they would only have to pay him $3.2 million for this season. That's not an unreasonable salary for a decent center. I could even understand if they wanted Phoenix to throw in the Cleveland draft pick. But there's just no way a possible top three draft pick should be included in the deal. If the Phoenix Suns do this, and frankly I think there is a reasonable chance they will, there will be some serious, serious fan backlash if they don't get Kobe Bryant. There's just no other free-agent out there worth a maximum contract.

We'll see.

Joe Mama

You are right. The lottery pick to move White is too expenisve unless they have a secret deal with Kobe in place. White can play and has an expiring contract. These guys are in great demand in February.

My guess is that the Bobcats will try to get White and the lottery pick, but may take Eisley if that is the only way they can another lottery pick. What is $10 million if you have already dumped $300 million just to get the team? As I said, I just don't know if the Cats want one of the Euro big men. Their situation is different fromt he Suns who aleardy have two.
 
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Originally posted by George O'Brien
You are right. The lottery pick to move White is too expenisve unless they have a secret deal with Kobe in place. White can play and has an expiring contract. These guys are in great demand in February.

My guess is that the Bobcats will try to get White and the lottery pick, but may take Eisley if that is the only way they can another lottery pick. What is $10 million if you have already dumped $300 million just to get the team? As I said, I just don't know if the Cats want one of the Euro big men. Their situation is different fromt he Suns who aleardy have two.

$10 million may be a drop in the bucket when compared to the $300 million team price tag, but it is still a hell of a lot of money. Essentially it would make the lottery pick, who is almost sure to be a project, a $7 million player for his first four years. If there was a Yao Ming, LeBron James, or even a Carmelo Anthony available it would be worth it. It just doesn't look like there are any players of that caliber (highly marketable and contributing immediately) in this year's draft.

As I read further into that article Chad Ford explained that the Charlotte bobcats would probably waive Jahidi White and Elden Campbell clearing about $10 million to use on free agents. Frankly if I was Charlotte I would think twice about spending much money in free agency this summer because next summer's free-agent market is going to be much, much better.

I think the real problem here is that salary cap maneuverability is at a premium while draft picks, especially in a draft apparently void of any sure stars, are not as valuable as they used to be. It's likely there will be several teams trying to trade out of the top of the draft were out of the draft altogether. That makes those picks easier to come by and less valuable.

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10M$ cash isn't too much to pay for a top5 draftpick.

The only reason why money plays such a big role today is because of the cap and luxury tax.

The money Charlotte spends doesn't count against the cap.
 
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Originally posted by slinslin
10M$ cash isn't too much to pay for a top5 draftpick.

The only reason why money plays such a big role today is because of the cap and luxury tax.

The money Charlotte spends doesn't count against the cap.

It really has to with what they are looking for. The Suns may not want to take another Euro big man because they already have Lampe. But that does not mean that these guys are not valuable, just that they may be a bad fit for the Suns.

In a similar manner, neither Deng nor Iguodala fit the Suns needs (where outside shooting is so crucial), but they could be very good players for a team like the Bobcats.

If I'm wrong, then there is no point in offering the pick.
 

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And of course Ford has the cap figures wrong in his article.

If the Suns got rid off White and their lottery pick they would have 19-20M$ capspace not 16.

Without any picks they arlready are at 13-14M$.
 

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Originally posted by playstation

i would go as far as to say even if we get kobe, we gave up too much. think about it, so far this year, we've given up stephon, two 1st rd draft picks (in the teens), and now a top 3 pick, for kobe. if our pick turns out to be top two, i wouldn't trade at all. hell, we still have a cleveland pick, why not give that one away too...

That isn't right. We would have only traded 2 picks this year (one being from NY, so you cant double count it).

It would actually wind up being, when all the dust settles:

Bo Outlaw
Stephon Marbury
Penny Hardaway
Top 5 pick

FOR

Kobe Bryant
Howard Eisley
Rights to Milos Vujanic
Maciej Lampe





I am sorry, but that is an AWESOME trade for the suns. The rid themselves of a max player who isn't worth more than the MLE, a max player who is overpaid by about 4 million now (about 12 million at the end of the contract), an overpaid energy guy, and a top pick in a weak draft.... for

A top 5 player, a bad contract (7 mill), the rights to a top 3 PG in europe, and a player who was supposed to be the 5th pick in the draft.
 

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Like Joe has said before:

If the suns package their top pick with White to the bobcats, then they are VERY confident they are getting Kobe.

If it was with Eisley, it could be argued it is for future flexibility, however since Whites contract expires next summer anyways, it is this summer or bust.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Like Joe has said before:

If the suns package their top pick with White to the bobcats, then they are VERY confident they are getting Kobe.

If it was with Eisley, it could be argued it is for future flexibility, however since Whites contract expires next summer anyways, it is this summer or bust.

You know, graham, I think over the past two months, our views on our whole offseason situation have been identical. I'm not sure I'd say that it'd be awesome for the Suns, but I'd concede that it would be pretty good for us.

Personally, I think the lottery pick will only increase in value, because I take an optimistic view of the draft--sure, it looks weak now, but there's a lot happening between now and June. Was Carmelo Anthony projected to be the 3rd pick at this time last year? I"m not sure he was (there might have even been speculation that he wouldn't quit schoole)--but when he led his team to the NCAA championship, his value skyrocketed.
 
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Originally posted by slinslin
10M$ cash isn't too much to pay for a top5 draftpick.

The only reason why money plays such a big role today is because of the cap and luxury tax.

The money Charlotte spends doesn't count against the cap.

It really depends on how badly they want that draft pick and how deep their pockets are. The guy like Marc Cuban or Paul Allen or James Dolan could drop $10 million without as much as a second thought in order to get a top draft pick that they really wanted. But $10 million might be the profit for the entire franchise for a season. It might be the difference between positive or negative revenue for the year. There isn't expected to be a luxury tax next season, so it shouldn't be a big consideration.

I'm just saying in a draft that looks like it is lacking any surefire stars $10 million is a lot to pay for a draft pick. IMO the chances that Howard Eiseley goes anywhere in the next year or so are pretty slim. I certainly don't think he will be moved unless he is just a part of a much larger deal.

Jahidi White
 

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1. I think everyone agrees that it would be a terrible mistake to give up either of the top two picks.

2. I think everyone agrees that if the Suns offer the lottery pick to move White, he's gone. We can disagree on whether it is a good idea, but he's gone.

What we don't know is the likelyhood of:

A. The Suns move White using the Cleveland pick assuming they make the playoffs.

B. The Suns move Eisley using the lottery pick.

The White deal is at least as attractive as the Campbell deal offered by Detroit (better draft pick and better player).

The Eisley deal seems pretty far fetched. About the only promising factor is that it seems unlikely that anyone else would give an early lottery pick for cap space. Washington is the only other early lottery team that might do a similar deal (for Christian), but that seems unlikely considering this year's free agenct market.
 

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Why would Charlotte not make good profit?

They will have a low payroll in the first 2 years. There is a fan base already in Charlotte as well.

Isn't their owner the owner of BET or something? I don't think he has tight pockets.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Why would Charlotte not make good profit?

They will have a low payroll in the first 2 years. There is a fan base already in Charlotte as well.

Isn't their owner the owner of BET or something? I don't think he has tight pockets.

It is Bickerstaff that has been saying he will focus on developing a young team without big contracts. Maybe they will change if there is an opportuntity to get someone they want, but I would guess that they will avoid big, long tern contracts.
 

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I'd do Marion + JJ + suns lottery pick to Celtics for Pierce + one of their low picks. Then, bribe the Cats to take White with this pick, Cleveland's pick and cash. When cats waive White, the Suns could sign him for the 1.5mil exception. Sign Kobe. Sign Harvey. We'd have this line up.

White/Amare/Pierce/Kobe/Eisley as the starters.

Jake/Lampe/Harvey/zarko/CJ/Barbosa as the reserves. Maybe we could sign another FA in Jim Jackson. We are immediate contender for the title.
 

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Originally posted by cly2tw
I'd do Marion + JJ + suns lottery pick to Celtics for Pierce + one of their low picks. Then, bribe the Cats to take White with this pick, Cleveland's pick and cash. When cats waive White, the Suns could sign him for the 1.5mil exception. Sign Kobe. Sign Harvey. We'd have this line up.

White/Amare/Pierce/Kobe/Eisley as the starters.

Jake/Lampe/Harvey/zarko/CJ/Barbosa as the reserves. Maybe we could sign another FA in Jim Jackson. We are immediate contender for the title.

What about Milos? And why start Eisley??
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
What about Milos? And why start Eisley??

Under the scenario, we might not have the cap room to fit in Milos. Eisley in Utah was very solid behind Malone and Stockton. With Kobe and Pierce at the stear, Eisley's experience to play with the stars might work better. But Barbosa is definitely better defensive player. After next year, Eisley's has only one year left and can be much more easily shipped away (for a center or so). Barbossa matured enough to start. We can offer Milos a good contract to convince him move over.
 

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That is way way too much to give up for Pierce.

Pierce is closer to Marion's level than Kobe's. He is not worth Marion and Joe Johnson as well as trading down from top5 into late first round.

Colangelo would have to be ******** to do that. Pierce is also older than Marion and has declined in each of the last 3 seasons.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
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That is way way too much to give up for Pierce.

Pierce is closer to Marion's level than Kobe's. He is not worth Marion and Joe Johnson as well as trading down from top5 into late first round.

Colangelo would have to be ******** to do that. Pierce is also older than Marion and has declined in each of the last 3 seasons.

Agree. I like the idea of maybe a Pierce for Marion deal, but that is way to much for a player who barely (and most likely shouldnt) have made the all star team in the East this year.

Anyways, if we get Kobe, Marion will be MUCH more effective than Pierce will.
 

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Originally posted by thegrahamcrackr
Agree. I like the idea of maybe a Pierce for Marion deal, but that is way to much for a player who barely (and most likely shouldnt) have made the all star team in the East this year.

Anyways, if we get Kobe, Marion will be MUCH more effective than Pierce will.

I was reading a Celtics board and there are complaints about Pierece not being in shape and not playing team ball. This was after the Celtics had made their little run.

Right now I think Marion is playing some of his best ball of the season. The fact that Shawn is finally learning how to get assists is huge and he is beginning to cut down on his jump shots.
 

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Let's not go so far right here.

Marion had 3 good assist games in the last month and 2 weeks. Nothing more , nothing he didn't do in the past.

In february Marion averaged only 2.3 apg. That's worse than his january and december months.
 
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