Charmin Marvin Harrison Jr Thread

[Cheesebeef]

This thread has exhausted me, but I will add this. In order to get the most out of a WR who runs great routes, you need a timing and rhythm QB. Take a look at the first TD which was broken up by Gonzalez. MHJ won on the break, and created separation out of that break. The issue comes after that. Kyler throws a high point ball (not going to complain too much about that) which becomes a lower % play because of Gonzalez's ability to recover with speed, and contest the catch. Like Feeley said on the broadcast, MHJ needs to do a better job winning those catches, and I think he will.

But this is an example of MHJ gaining separation on his break due to his route running, but AZ could not take advantage of it.

An interesting observation I have made (and it shouldn't be shocking) is that MHJ's game is similar to his dad's (and early Fitzgerald). Run crisp routes, catch the ball, get down.

Theres one big difference here… he doesn’t run crisp routes, he’s had problems with drops all season but, he does get down very easily.

 

[Chopper0080]

Theres one big difference here… he doesn’t run crisp routes, he’s had problems with drops all season but, he does get down very easily.

I disagree on the route running and we probably disagree on the drops because I am going to guess you feel like those 50/50 balls that Gonzalez swatted away were drops and I don't. Also, per Pro Football Reference, MHJ hasn't had a drop since week 6 so "all season" is hyperbole.

Additional note...please don't look up Nabers drop stats (9) or Brian Thomas Jr's drop stats (6) or Ladd McKonkey's drop stats (4). In fact, stay away from drop stats in general. I would hate for you to have an informed take on where MHJs drops actually relate to his peers.

 

[Russ Smith]

Same offense or different offense is irrelevant IMO. Not moving your WRs around makes it more difficult for the them to be successful. Chase is moved around. Jefferson is moved around. Hell, Brian Thomas is moved around. Nabers is moved around. Every top WR should be moved around so that the opposing team has a tough time scheming how to take that WR out of the game. So, it is a schematic decision and the decision to leave a WR in a stagnant role is one that makes it more difficult for the WR.

If we want to pick nits, MHJ also got open on the illegal contact play where Gannon chose the 5 yards and a 1st down over the 9(?) yard gain. Ultimately, I am not inspired enough to sign up for NFL + and breakdown the all-22 tape, and I certainly don't expect you to do so which means I am comfortable agreeing to disagree.

Yes that was the best route he ran all day and it didn't count.

Also I think different offense DOES matter, the one D Hop played in was a passing offense, the one MHJ plays in is a running offense. One of the points of the 2 and 3 TE sets is we can force defenses to play their base defense and then throw out of it. That's where it becomes critical for the WR1 to be able to get open because he's sometimes the only WR on the field or 1 of 2.

teams schemed to take D Hop away, early in the year we saw some of that with safeties over the top regularly but I don't think we do nearly as much now. I think teams are more worried about Conner and Trey

 

[daves]

Not moving your WRs around makes it more difficult for the them to be successful. Chase is moved around. Jefferson is moved around. Hell, Brian Thomas is moved around. Nabers is moved around. Every top WR should be moved around so that the opposing team has a tough time scheming how to take that WR out of the game. So, it is a schematic decision and the decision to leave a WR in a stagnant role is one that makes it more difficult for the WR.

According to RotoWire:
Harrison has lined up at right outside 41% of the time, left outside 39.5%, right slot 18%, left slot 16%, right tight 1 play, left tight 1 play.

The other rookies:
Thomas has lined up at right outside 38% of the time, left outside 35%, right slot 27%, left slot 28%, right tight 1 play, left tight 1 play.
Nabers has lined up at right outside 34.5%, left outside 34.5%, right slot 23%, left slot 17%, right tight 8 plays, left tight 5 plays.

Veterans:
Chase has lined up at right outside 31% of the time, left outside 36%, right slot 24%, left slot 26%, right tight 4 plays, left tight 2 plays.
Jefferson has lined up at right outside 34% of the time, left outside 44%, right slot 22%, left slot 26%, right tight 0 plays, left tight 4 plays.

So while Harrison has been in the slot a little less than the others, it's not as though he's not being moved around.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

According to RotoWire:
Harrison has lined up at right outside 41% of the time, left outside 39.5%, right slot 18%, left slot 16%, right tight 1 play, left tight 1 play.

The other rookies:
Thomas has lined up at right outside 38% of the time, left outside 35%, right slot 27%, left slot 28%, right tight 1 play, left tight 1 play.
Nabers has lined up at right outside 34.5%, left outside 34.5%, right slot 23%, left slot 17%, right tight 8 plays, left tight 5 plays.

Veterans:
Chase has lined up at right outside 31% of the time, left outside 36%, right slot 24%, left slot 26%, right tight 4 plays, left tight 2 plays.
Jefferson has lined up at right outside 34% of the time, left outside 44%, right slot 22%, left slot 26%, right tight 0 plays, left tight 4 plays.

So while Harrison has been in the slot a little less than the others, it's not as though he's not being moved around.

Are you saying maybe chopper should stay away from where charmin lines up stats in general? We would hate for him to have an informed take on where MHJ lines up as it actually relates to his peers.

Had to be done.

 

[CardNots]

Are you saying maybe chopper should stay away from where charmin lines up stats in general? We would hate for him to have an informed take on where MHJ lines up as it actually relates to his peers.

Had to be done.

facts make or break narratives…

also leads to shorted threads