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The examples that you chose are pretty poor. Both Simms and Marino seem on the slower side to me. Not sure if it is all the hits, but Simms seems to be out in space half the time.

Going back to the wonderlic. I agree with you on the most part that it does not mean anything by about 90%. However there is a small portion that diserves merit. Throwing out the test completly and saying it is completly worthless is a bunch of B.S. The upper echelon and lower levels do give us some indication of how smart or slow a person is. To bad they do not just throw out players GPA.
 

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ThunderCard said:
Going back to the wonderlic. I agree with you on the most part that it does not mean anything by about 90%. However there is a small portion that diserves merit. Throwing out the test completly and saying it is completly worthless is a bunch of B.S. The upper echelon and lower levels do give us some indication of how smart or slow a person is. To bad they do not just throw out players GPA.

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The Wonderlick doesn't tell the whole story, but it can be used as an indicate. Saying that the Wonderlick doesn't mean anything is BS!!! What if Eli or Ben scored an 8 in the test? Still think they would go in the top ten??
 

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Here's one, kinda just looks like a typical IQ test:

Sample Wonderlic

You could make a case that the answer to question five is wrong. Maybe that's the one that confused all the guys who got single digit scores.
 

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The problem with this test is that it supposedly measures mathematical ability...yeah, well, I've been tested at a near-genius level, but I'd probably score very low on a mathematical test...in fact, I have in the past. Why? Because I'm not mathematically inclined. Granted I never played in the NFL, but this deficiency didn't hurt me in football in hs or college. And it will never truly hurt me in life, because I don't do anything that involves heavy math. This test is almost a complete crock. About the only thing it DOES truly measure for a football player is if a guy may or may not be trying, and that's only in specific instances.
 

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It may not show as much for football but the Wonderlic can be quite useful. Viksfan, why do you think businesses use the Wonderlic? There is a lot of statistical data that shows that peope who do poorly on these tests do poorly in certain jobs. They didn't just pick these questions out of the air and just guess that it might or might not work. There are exceptions but not that often.

The people who created the Wonderlic have to constantly make sure the tests are viable in the business world. Employers need to make sure too that it is fair. With all the classes you've taken Vikesfan maybe you should add Human Resource Management to the list. Yeah I don't think football players have to be the brightest guys always but the ones who get really poor scores may end up having problems in some areas.
 

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SunCardfan said:
It may not show as much for football but the Wonderlic can be quite useful. Viksfan, why do you think businesses use the Wonderlic? There is a lot of statistical data that shows that peope who do poorly on these tests do poorly in certain jobs. They didn't just pick these questions out of the air and just guess that it might or might not work. There are exceptions but not that often.

The people who created the Wonderlic have to constantly make sure the tests are viable in the business world. Employers need to make sure too that it is fair. With all the classes you've taken Vikesfan maybe you should add Human Resource Management to the list. Yeah I don't think football players have to be the brightest guys always but the ones who get really poor scores may end up having problems in some areas.


The ONLY reason this test should be given to anyone at all, realistically, is for jobs directly relating to the subject material. If it is a test of mathematical acumen, as has been said, there is absolutely no reason to administer the test to a candidate for, say, a position in employee relations or human resources. Sure, I'd want be positive they could do simple math, but that's a far cry from expecting them to be able to take a test on complex mathematics.
 

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Chris Gamble got a 9. How smart do you have to be to understand-"Go cover that guy"? I would've liked to have seen Craig Krenzel's score.He is a molecular genetics major and won a scholarship award for scholar athletes.It's something akin to the heisman but for scholar athletes.I can't remember the name of it.
 

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I'm sure the Wunderlic is both used and misused by various NFL teams.

I believe there are also things you can find out about a player that are "inside the total score" -

For example, there could two or three questions designed - in tandem - to gauge how spontaneous or deliberate a player's thought process is. These in turn could be used to evaluate how instinctive, say, a MLB is going to the ball.

Or they might try to evaluate what a player's attitude might be in adverse circumstances.

My guess is that, over a period of time, certain teams have found that certain answers to certain questions correlate highly to specific things they're looking for (and other things they thought would work, didn't).

One way the Wunderlic and other psych/intelligence exams can be misused is as an excuse to screen out certain candidates they want to get rid of for other reasons (i.e. "We really loved you, dude, but your Wunderlic score didn't measure up).

I had something like that happen - where IBM rejected me because I supposedly sucked in their math aptitude test. (By coincidence, I took the exact same test when I applied later that week for a similar job with an IBM competitor. The second company's conclusion was - "You're not Einstein, dude, but you're certainly bright enough to work for us.")

Final point (possibly borne out by scores by position) - You don't want your QB (and probably your offensive linemen) scoring below the low teens because of the need for brain-power at these positions. On the other hand, I doubt you need to be a rocket scientist to play defensive tackle...
 
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vikesfan said:
My best worker didn't finish high school he is also the most creative thinker I have working for me.

So this is how Super Sizing for only .39 more came to be? Damn, I learn something new everyday
 

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Would the Wonderlic test be a way of gauging one's ability to problem solve? One of the main problems facing employers today are hiring people out of HS and college who can problem solve. In football today, many of the defensive and offensive schemes tend to be complex and you would think having a player who can quickly think on his feet, and everything else being equal, that player would be more desirable. This is just my opinion, if I was going to draft one of two players who had equal playing ability I would select the one with the higher score. Of course, you could always go "eeny, meeny, miney, moe...
 

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