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Skelton came out hitting his targets---but the drives were halted by third and short running play blowups and a late throw downfield off a scramble. He played with good composure---save the risky pass he hung up for too long to Fitz. In a regular game, as someone posted last night (please remind me who did---kudos), the odds are Skelton would have tried to run for the first down. His most impressive play was when he niftily side-stepped an airborne edge rusher, maintained his concentration and threw a strike to Andre Roberts.

Ryan Lindley came out hitting his targets too---and he did a very smart thing when he ran for a first down to the two yard line in the red zone. Lindley shows a strong arm and plays with good energy---but seems to get a little too hyped up in the red zone---although, if Michael Floyd runs a better fade it might have been a TD.

What Kevin Kolb needs to do is scramble forward with the ball every now and then (the way Skelton and Lindley did) to keep the pass rush honest---but, in light of his medical issues he is not apt to do that. Kolb threw a couple of nice passes---and early on he looked a little more comfortable, only as time went on just reverted back to running wide right from the pocket---a proclivity he cannot seem to shake---and one that ends potential drives.

Rich Bartel worked hard---and had some good passes---but he still looks very fidgety in the pocket.

RB:

Alfonso Smith at this point seems like a lock to make the roster---and quite possibly could be the Cardinals leading rusher, if Wells and Williams don't hold up. Smith isn't the prettiest of runners, but he almost always seems to get a very good forward lean into his runs---and winds up chalking up plenty of positive yards.

William Powell was the offensive MVP last night. He has now made himself relevant and a roster possibility. Not only did he display impressive wheels on his long run---he stepped up and stonewalled a blitzing Chief LB (best RB block of the pre-season thus far)---and he continued to show an uncanny knack at his size for punching the ball into the end zone---something that stood out a little in the Red and White scrimmage. Plus, he shows good hands, which is a real asset and virtually a pre-requisite in this offense.

Thomas Clayton ran hard as well.

Best unit for the Cardinals on the field last night: RBs.

FB:

Not a big night for Anthony Sherman, save the nice plays he continues to make on STs.

OL:

Levi Brown---many will say that he was awful last night---but you really have to look more closely at all his plays and understand too that in a real game it would behoove any team to give their LT help on the Chiefs' very good edge rusher Tamba Hali. On the play where Brown gave up the sack, a Cardinal RB was lined up to Hali's side and could have easily chipped him---but he did not.

It is surprising that an offensive line coached in the same system by the same coaches, with 4 of the 5 starters returning would look so disorganized in pass protection at times. And that the coaches continue to ignore the other team's most dangerous pass rushing threat.

Daryn Colledge and Adam Snyder were solid.

Lyle Sendlein was having a very difficult time blocking NT Anthony Torbio, who was masterful at executing the NT angle leverage technique.

Jeremy Bridges was solid.

But there's a new guy in the RT competition: D'Anthony Batiste. He was one of the 4 players I signed up for to watch every play. I thought he would be the 2nd team RG as he was last week, but he was the 2nd team RT instead (Bobby Massie has been relegated to 3rd team for now). I said this last year and I will say it again---the guy is good. His technique is excellent and he gets off the ball well. Last night on running plays he was driving his man five to six yards downfield. On pass plays, he nullified everything to his side---showing a strong base and very good fan techniques.

D.J. Young had a rough night at LT---but he's still ahead of Nate Potter on the depth chart. At this point it would seem both Young and Potter's best chances are for making the PS.

Senio Kelemete continues to impress at LG. He's a natural athlete who plays within himself and with very good, controlled aggression.

Scott Wedige struggled a good deal at the center position---he's no match as of yet for the likes of Dontari Poe.

Ross Hochstein took over for Wedige at center and played well. His shotgun snaps were right on the money and he held the point of attack well.

Rich Ornsberger was the 2nd team RG and he was solid.

Chris Stewart played RG in the 4th quarter and again got turned around in pass pro.

Bobbie Massie played RT in the 4th and was mostly effective.

TE:

Steve Skelton has been the most active and visible TE in the games thus far.

Todd Heap---the most invisible.

Jim Dray had a nice catch in the red zone and a very good block on one running play.

Martell Webb threw some good blocks.

WR

Fitzgerald had a good game---but they really shouldn't play him more than one series.

It's time for Michael Floyd to step up---he doesn't look ball hungry the way LaRon Byrd is, for example. His effort to tackle on STs was a disgrace. Yes, he throws good blocks downfield which is great---but other than that, you would never know this guy was taken #10 in the draft...not in effort and not in skill level.

What was tough to watch was seeing Melvin Ingram wreak havoc on Aaron Rodgers two nights ago. He looks like a stud. Floyd thus far looks like a first round dud.

Kudos to Byrd---he's doing what it takes to make the team, although he needs to show ST's ability.

Sampson factored in---and contributed on STs.

Jaymar Johnson---nice TD catch to atone for last week's red zone drop. The QBs are looking for him---like on the deep pass that Lindley overthrew---but it's clear that they are trying to make him a factor.

Andre Roberts played well---he got robbed on the spot I thought on the catch that preceded the 3rd-and-1 3 yard loss in the backfield.

Doucet---taking the PS off? Interesting. Fitz is out there giving it up. Doucet?

ROSTER UPDATE:

QB (3): SKELTON, Kolb, Lindley

RB (4): WELLS, Williams, LSH, Smith.

FB (1): SHERMAN

OL (9): BROWN, COLLEDGE, SENDLEIN, SNYDER, BRIDGES, Batiste, Kelemete, Hochstein, Massey.

TE (3): HOUSLER, Skelton, Heap.

WR (5): FITZGERALD, ROBERTS, Doucet, Floyd, Byrd.

PS (4): T-Potter, RB-Powell, TE-Webb, WR-TBA


DEFENSE:

Ray Horton has some tough decisions to make:

(1) Darnell Dockett---doesn't play the 34 DE position the way Horton needs. Did you see the play last night where the Chiefs' RB blew right inside of Dockett as he was inexplicably riding his blocker into O'Brien Schofield and his man?

Dockett's main value is as a rush DT in the 4 man rush on passing downs.

The player who fits the base defense 34 DE mold is David Carter.

Wonder if Horton can start and play Carter on running downs and then come in with Dockett.

(2) O'Brien Schofield---too small to hold up at SOLB. From the beginning of the pre-season when it was announced that Schofield would start at SOLB and Acho at WOLB, it felt like it should be the reverse, as Acho is the bigger, more physical player, and better run defender.

Neither Schofield nor Acho is having a good pre-season thus far---which is a cause for concern. And, for that matter, neither is anyone else at OLB.

The answer may be to play Stewart Bradley at SOLB---keep Sam Acho at WOLB and sub Schofield in as a rusher in the nickel.

(3) Kerry Rhodes---did you see on the same play that Dockett screwed up, that's an inside run that the FS has to step up and take care of---best of all, to make a statement on---and the RB didn't make any juke moves---all Rhodes had to do is run through him and make the play---instead he drifts toward the RB and winds up diving at the RB's ankles and never even touches him. Peterson had to make the tackle five yards later.

The question is---is Rashad Johnson a clear-cut upgrade? Johnson was the FS during the team's best stretch last year. He too whiffed on tackles in the first game---he did better last night and he did make a nice interception of Wylie's tip.

What about Justin Bethel? He seems more like a SS---and actually might earn a good deal of time there if Horton does what I think he will in giving Adrian Wilson a hybrid-type role in the defense.

(4) William Gay is at his best playing the nickel. Michael Adams is struggling in the nickel. That switch needs to be made. It looks as if Jamell Fleming is on track to be the starter. A.J. jefferson played pretty well last night---and he's a factor on STs. Adams sticks because of STs and there are certain slot WRs he can hound in passing situations. Greg Toler needs to make a move---if he is strong enough.

The other thing is the play of Larry Parker. How about the blanket coverage he showed last night on the two deep passes to his man.

ROSTER UPDATE

NT (2): WILLIAMS, Eason

DE (5): DOCKETT, CAMPBELL, Carter, Talley, Holliday

ILB (4): WASHINGTON, BRADLEY, Lenon, Walker

OLB (4): ACHO, SCHOFIELD, Haggans, Groves

CB (6): PETERSON, FLEMING, Gay, Jefferson, Adams, Parker

S (4): WILSON, RHODES, Bethel, Johnson

ST (3): FEELY, Leach, ZASTUDIL

PS (4): NT-Lumpkin, LB-Parker, LB-Nash, S-Gideon
 
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It is surprising that an offensive line coached in the same system by the same coaches, with 4 of the 5 starters returning would look so disorganized in pass protection at times. And that the coaches continue to ignore the other team's most dangerous pass rushing threat.

You would think they had learned after the way they shut down Jared Allen in the win over Farve and the Vikings in '09. But I haven't seen that kind of protection scheme since.

7 sacks last night. Just hard to take.
 

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But there's a new guy in the RT competition: D'Anthony Batiste. He was one of the 4 players I signed up for to watch every play. I thought he would be the 2nd team RG as he was last week, but he was the 2nd team RT instead (Bobby Massie has been relegated to 3rd team for now). I said this last year and I will say it again---the guy is good. His technique is excellent and he gets off the ball well. Last night on running plays he was driving his man five to six yards downfield. On pass plays, he nullified everything to his side---showing a strong base and very good fan techniques.

D.J. Young had a rough night at LT---but he's still ahead of Nate Potter on the depth chart. At this point it would seem both Young and Potter's best chances are for making the PS.

Senio Kelemete continues to impress at LG. He's a natural athlete who plays within himself and with very good, controlled aggression.

Ross Hochstein took over for Wedige at center and played well. His shotgun snaps were right on the money and he held the point of attack well.

Rich Ornsberger was the 2nd team RG and he was solid.

Always good to read your write ups WM. I missed the game, too much work. Anyone know where a replay on the internet is?

That's good to hear about Batiste. Don't know how they're going to try an protect Massie, but if he's really far behind they may chance the PS placement. He's going to get some 2nd half chances in the next two games and needs to show he can handle the 2nd teams' LE's handily. My expectations are getting weaker for him at least this season.

Good some others are stepping up right now on the OL. It will be a key for us.

Levi on the outside alone is nothing new. The QB's need to read and get it out. Hopefully on some of the deep routes they start having a legit blocker in the backfield for help.

Kolb is hopeless with his relentless dashes to the right.
 

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Mitch Mitch Mitch. Why do you and others keep trying to defend Levi's performances? He performed average at best again last night & I'm being nice IMO. 2 games, 2 struggles. You want to continually give help to this guy? It get that to a degree, but if he can't handle some 1 on 1 battles why resign the guy because that's what LT's do...we didn't learn a damn thing when we brought him back!!! The Cards have shown #75 won't get much help in pass pro previously which IMO magnifies the lunacy resigning him when he struggles with speed rushers

I knew it was a mistake resigning this clown & said it the day it happened, so everything that goes wrong with protection this year we deserve! Please fellas stop making excuses for Levi cause he sucks!!!
 

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Always good to read your write ups WM. I missed the game, too much work. Anyone know where a replay on the internet is?

That's good to hear about Batiste. Don't know how they're going to try an protect Massie, but if he's really far behind they may chance the PS placement. He's going to get some 2nd half chances in the next two games and needs to show he can handle the 2nd teams' LE's handily. My expectations are getting weaker for him at least this season.

Good some others are stepping up right now on the OL. It will be a key for us.

Levi on the outside alone is nothing new. The QB's need to read and get it out. Hopefully on some of the deep routes they start having a legit blocker in the backfield for help.

Kolb is hopeless with his relentless dashes to the right.

I've been watching our WRs a lot lately and most of the time there isn't a WR to get it out to quickly. I may be looking with some prejudice because of the reputation of the 2009 WRs and Warner but they sure seemed to be available sooner than our current guys. Skill or scheme? I don't know.
 

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Floyd a dud? First time that has been said about Floyd this preseason. Everyone at camp has been impressed, and if one has any memory, even guys like Boldin didn't do much in the preseason.

Whisenhunt went out of his way TO criticize Byrd, pointing out that he ran the wrong route on a play. Just because someone looks good, doesn't mean they are a player. Remember Stephen Williams?
 

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Nice writeup Mitch! First let me say that I think your right on with Steve Skelton. If he doesn't beat out Dray for the third spot I will be surprised. So far this preseason the biggest gripe I have is with the coaching staff for several reasons. The number one reason is only giving Skelton and Kolb a couple of series each and then taking them out. These guys can't even get warmed up in the little bit of playing time they are getting. To me this is not much of a QB competition when the guys don't even get a chance to get into any kind of rythem and get their timing down. I think they should let Lindley and Bartel have the fourth quarter and give Skelton and Kolb the first three quarters so they can get some real time in.

I also think Michael Adams should not make the team. He is just too much of a liability in coverage. I think Michael Floyd should be playing at least half of every preseason game to be prepared for the season. He needs the work badly. It's nice to see Bradley playing well and Groves should make the team unless he gets hurt.

I can't see Reggie Walker making the team either. He has looked bad to me. I think Senio Kelemete is a lock to make the team and be the backup for Colledge. He reminds me of a better version of Reggie Wells.

I like Laron Byrd the best out of the young receivers trying to make the team.
 

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Mitch-----some of my thoughts. I no longer have fears of our offensive line's ability to do the job this year. The best part is that they will only get better and better from here on. We drafted some very good talent, and brought back, (and brought in), some more. I like that we have time to allow the newbies to grow into their positions without needing to throw them into the fray right away.

Specifically, Levi seemed to have the toughest day, yet he played pretty well. (Tamba Hali is the real deal when it comes to outside rushers, and while he defeated Levi several times, teams will have to help the LT that faces him when they play KC or they will suffer the same).

Sendlein did have some trouble with the NT, but that can be helped by putting a hoss into the backfield to help out.

I thought that Colledge, Snyder, and Bridges played well, and was impressed with the holes that Snyder and Colledge opened for the backs, (though they sometimes cut away from them). I just don't think that they are used to seeing openings there, and are a little reluctant to trust their vision at this stage. I am anxious to see a healthy Beanie and Williams to get into our RB mix, but I hope that they continue to monitor their progress with discretion.

I thought our QB play was better this week and was actually pleased with Lindley's performance. He seems to be grasping the offensive scheme faster than one would have thought. Yes, he is raw, but the upside seems to be very big at this stage. Both Skelton and Kolb played better than last week. Both have a long way to go yet, but progress is progress.

I believe we are going to like this running back corps. The youngsters in the bunch show a lot of promise, and if Beanie and Williams return with good health, we could be pretty good, AND pretty deep at this position. I like that some of them have shown the ability to pick up blocks in the backfield to keep pass rushers off our QB's.

I was disappointed with our TE play, and that is all I will say about that unit.

The receiving corps had an up and down day, with some making both good and bad plays.

The defense was another story entirely. For a second straight game, NO ONE appeared prepared to tackle. This is getting to be a real problem, and it seems to be catching on like a virus. I have a feeling that Horton is very locked on to studying individual players, (like last year), to see where he can best use their talents, and I have no doubt that this unit will come around. Meanwhile, I would really like to see a serious effort in practice on form tackling. I don't mean hitting, just pure latch-onto, wrap-up and lift then drive tackling. It seemed that KC had twice as much yardage AFTER first contact than they did before it. That cannot be tolerated.

I also don't like that little effort was made to get-off blocks by our defenders. There was far too much standing around and watching the game pass by. That has to stop quickly. If I never see our defense give up a 12 play, 10 minute drive, it will be too soon.

Mostly, I feel that this entire team was not ready to play this game, either mentally or physically. I don't fault the players so much for that, as it is on the coaching staff to have them in the frame of mind to play football. I do feel that our veterans should be taking a greater part in helping the coaches to set a mindset to play ball. This team was not ready this week. I'm sure that will change after a return to Flagstaff. In fact, I believe that there will be whips being cracked all over the NAU complex this next week.

Our defense has never been stellar or even good when playing vanilla, so I believe that when scheme is employed, (and talents have been re-evaluated), Horton will again produce a polished unit that will be top ten quality.
 

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Nice writeup Mitch! First let me say that I think your right on with Steve Skelton. If he doesn't beat out Dray for the third spot I will be surprised. So far this preseason the biggest gripe I have is with the coaching staff for several reasons. The number one reason is only giving Skelton and Kolb a couple of series each and then taking them out. These guys can't even get warmed up in the little bit of playing time they are getting. To me this is not much of a QB competition when the guys don't even get a chance to get into any kind of rythem and get their timing down. I think they should let Lindley and Bartel have the fourth quarter and give Skelton and Kolb the first three quarters so they can get some real time in.

I also think Michael Adams should not make the team. He is just too much of a liability in coverage. I think Michael Floyd should be playing at least half of every preseason game to be prepared for the season. He needs the work badly. It's nice to see Bradley playing well and Groves should make the team unless he gets hurt.

I can't see Reggie Walker making the team either. He has looked bad to me. I think Senio Kelemete is a lock to make the team and be the backup for Colledge. He reminds me of a better version of Reggie Wells.

I like Laron Byrd the best out of the young receivers trying to make the team.

Don't forget Jeff King is almost certainly taking the 3rd spot. Skelton or Dray make the team only if the Cards keep 4TEs possibly with the idea of using one of those two as a FB as well.
 

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Mitch-----some of my thoughts. I no longer have fears of our offensive line's ability to do the job this year. The best part is that they will only get better and better from here on. We drafted some very good talent, and brought back, (and brought in), some more. I like that we have time to allow the newbies to grow into their positions without needing to throw them into the fray right away.

Specifically, Levi seemed to have the toughest day, yet he played pretty well. (Tamba Hali is the real deal when it comes to outside rushers, and while he defeated Levi several times, teams will have to help the LT that faces him when they play KC or they will suffer the same).
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Really? No concerns? Wow you might be way in the minority :mulli: I guess the Olines pressure issues are all Kolbs fault.

Fish I agree with pretty much all you said except with no concerns About the Oline & Levi. How can Levi have a tough day yet play well? I'm not buying it cause he played like a uninspired FA rookie again. He really does blow in pass pro & I'm concerned people continue to see otherwise. Good LT's don't need consistent help blocking speed rushers like this guy does. Brown is a BIG part of the problem, not the solution!
 

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Really? No concerns? Wow you might be way in the minority :mulli: I guess the Olines pressure issues are all Kolbs fault.

Fish I agree with pretty much all you said except with no concerns About the Oline & Levi. How can Levi have a tough day yet play well? I'm not buying it cause he played like a uninspired FA rookie again. He really does blow in pass pro & I'm concerned people continue to see otherwise. Good LT's don't need consistent help blocking speed rushers like this guy does. Brown is a BIG part of the problem, not the solution!

I'm with you Bucky. Bridges 9th season. Snyder 7th season, Sendlein 6th season, Colledge 7th season, Brown 6th season. These guys should be better and shouldn't need that much time to get the rust off. Especially since 4 of the 5 played together last season. 30 years of NFL experience on that line and they still stink.

On the other hand the poor offensive line play could be older vets taking it easy in pre season. It's been known to happen. Yeah, that's it. I'm no longer concerned either. :koolaid:
 

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Really? No concerns? Wow you might be way in the minority :mulli: I guess the Olines pressure issues are all Kolbs fault.

Fish I agree with pretty much all you said except with no concerns About the Oline & Levi. How can Levi have a tough day yet play well? I'm not buying it cause he played like a uninspired FA rookie again. He really does blow in pass pro & I'm concerned people continue to see otherwise. Good LT's don't need consistent help blocking speed rushers like this guy does. Brown is a BIG part of the problem, not the solution!

While the picture might not be as pretty as I painted it, it is not nearly so dismal as you proclaim either. I'll just say, that by the time the regular season comes, I feel that our O-line will not be nearly as great a concern as many fear. While I have been wrong before, I believe that we will lament our QB situation far more than our O-line, once the real games come.
 

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Mitch Mitch Mitch. Why do you and others keep trying to defend Levi's performances? He performed average at best again last night & I'm being nice IMO. 2 games, 2 struggles. You want to continually give help to this guy? It get that to a degree, but if he can't handle some 1 on 1 battles why resign the guy because that's what LT's do...we didn't learn a damn thing when we brought him back!!! The Cards have shown #75 won't get much help in pass pro previously which IMO magnifies the lunacy resigning him when he struggles with speed rushers

I knew it was a mistake resigning this clown & said it the day it happened, so everything that goes wrong with protection this year we deserve! Please fellas stop making excuses for Levi cause he sucks!!!
Exactly Bucky! This whole Oline stinks...AGAIN! The Cards just don't get it. It ALL starts up front.

The QB's will continue to struggle because they are running for their lives. The receivers will continue to look shaky because that's the way the ball is coming to them from their constantly under pressure QB's. The RB's will look poor because they have nowhere to run. And the defense will struggle because they are constantly winded due to the constant three and outs caused by...you guessed it...the OLINE!

Look at my avatar and get used to that picture.
 

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Don't forget Jeff King is almost certainly taking the 3rd spot. Skelton or Dray make the team only if the Cards keep 4TEs possibly with the idea of using one of those two as a FB as well.

Your right. I forgot about King when I wrote that. Whiz has been keeping four TE's though. I think Skelton will make the practice squad at least because I think Heap will go down at some point this year.
 

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I'm not a happy camper. No, I don't want to fire any coaches or re-sign Jeff Blake, but the time for excuses is over. We are what we are - a 0 & 2 football team; and will remain that way til we're not.

I heard 3 excuses/explanations from the on-air radio guys: (1) We lined up OK and wrapped up better but were velcro'd to blocks. (2) The team was "flat"from all the time on the road. (3) Our defense thrives on being exotic but had to play vanilla.

I'm not buying it. "Lining up right" is not a very high standard to shoot for. To reach the playoffs, we'll have to win at least 3 road games. Other teams play vanilla too.

I agree with Bucky about the O-line - they've had plenty of time in the past to jell (but instead are playing like Jello).

The only answer i can come up with to shake the tree and do something different from "just trying harder" would be to scare a few lethargic veterans. Maybe a couple of early promotions up the depth chart from some our more energetic rookies or a surprise cut or too will be the only way to get these guys' attention..

Just sayin'.
 

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While the picture might not be as pretty as I painted it, it is not nearly so dismal as you proclaim either. I'll just say, that by the time the regular season comes, I feel that our O-line will not be nearly as great a concern as many fear. While I have been wrong before, I believe that we will lament our QB situation far more than our O-line, once the real games come.

While we might not have the worst Oline in the NFL, we're definitely in the lower quarter IMO.

LT-regarded as one of the worse pass protectors in the league! Is perception not the reality when talking about Levi? IMO when blocking a teams best edge rusher, a LT shouldn't need help almost every play because he is supposed to be considered the best pass blocker on the team...Levi needs 2 players too help him. Never should've been resigned!

LG-College started slow last year & might have been the Olines most consistent player. Good pickup.

C-Seindlein sometimes gets overpowered by biggest inside players but has been the most solid player on a average line for years.

RG-Snyder has always been considered a liability in pass pro, but very good in the run game. Can play G & OT but better inside. If the Cards still throw 60+ % of the time, Snyder was a mistake in FA.

RT-Bridges wins the job by default. He's solid but has never started for long stretches of his career for a reason. Nasty, emotional leader who can play but is limited. Solid but less than desirable starter.

Agree or disagree? IMO that's not the makings of anything but average to bad & will always limit a teams ability to win...Kurt Warner or Manning isn't QB'ing this team so it's limitations are magnified.just my 2 cents Fish.
 

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While we might not have the worst Oline in the NFL, we're definitely in the lower quarter IMO.

LT-regarded as one of the worse pass protectors in the league! Is perception not the reality when talking about Levi? IMO when blocking a teams best edge rusher, a LT shouldn't need help almost every play because he is supposed to be considered the best pass blocker on the team...Levi needs 2 players too help him. Never should've been resigned!

LG-College started slow last year & might have been the Olines most consistent player. Good pickup.

C-Seindlein sometimes gets overpowered by biggest inside players but has been the most solid player on a average line for years.

RG-Snyder has always been considered a liability in pass pro, but very good in the run game. Can play G & OT but better inside. If the Cards still throw 60+ % of the time, Snyder was a mistake in FA.

RT-Bridges wins the job by default. He's solid but has never started for long stretches of his career for a reason. Nasty, emotional leader who can play but is limited. Solid but less than desirable starter.

Agree or disagree? IMO that's not the makings of anything but average to bad & will always limit a teams ability to win...Kurt Warner or Manning isn't QB'ing this team so it's limitations are magnified.just my 2 cents Fish.

There is the problem. Neither Snyder nor Bridges are horrible. They are just a jack of all trades master of none. Great guys to have as your 6th and 7th Offensive linemen. Guys who won't kill you if they have to come in when a starter goes down and can come in at C,G or T, but won't help your oline dominate defenses.

They're like the utility infielders in baseball who hit .240 and can play 3-4 different positions, none of them poorly, none of them exceptionally, but they are not guys you want starting 16 or 164 games.

Then you put an Adam Dunn at LT. A guy who strikes out 3 times then hits a HR and you've got offensive line problems.
 

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I don't think anyone could argue that our O-Line has been a bottom 7 unit for 5 years.

We needed a HOF QB with one of the quickest, most accurate releases in history to make them look like a top-20 line.

Russ Grimm, and ultimately, Whiz himself are completely to blame for this.
 

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Floyd a dud? First time that has been said about Floyd this preseason. Everyone at camp has been impressed, and if one has any memory, even guys like Boldin didn't do much in the preseason.

Whisenhunt went out of his way TO criticize Byrd, pointing out that he ran the wrong route on a play. Just because someone looks good, doesn't mean they are a player. Remember Stephen Williams?

We can all hope that Floyd's preseason is for the same reason as Boldin's. People might not remember but the Cards were so impressed with Boldin in rookie camp and training camp that they intentionally "hid" him in the preseason. He didn't play much and they didn't scheme him that much then he burst on the scene in the Detroit game. It didn't take long for it to get out that the Cards knew all along how good he was they were just hiding him.

If Floyd can be half that good this year it'll be great. Remember Boldin did that with Blake and McCown at QB, it is possible to have a great year with mediocre QB's.
 

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There is the problem. Neither Snyder nor Bridges are horrible. They are just a jack of all trades master of none. Great guys to have as your 6th and 7th Offensive linemen. Guys who won't kill you if they have to come in when a starter goes down and can come in at C,G or T, but won't help your oline dominate defenses.

They're like the utility infielders in baseball who hit .240 and can play 3-4 different positions, none of them poorly, none of them exceptionally, but they are not guys you want starting 16 or 164 games.

Then you put an Adam Dunn at LT. A guy who strikes out 3 times then hits a HR and you've got offensive line problems.

Duck all of what you say is so true & is further magnified by the horrible pass blocking of Brown & vice/versa. This Oline is like a dyke, because football is the ultimate team sport & 1 breakdown on a putrid Oline Leads to leaks everywhere else.

They suck as a unit & the biggest pile of doo is the LT which is the most important part of the unit. Why some here & in Cardinal land can't see that is beyond me. I guess if Skelton throws 7 tds & 15 ints the first eight games then 15 tds & 7 ints the second it's ok when we finish 8-8. That's what Levi did & we cut the dude & resigned him :bang: WTF
 

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Rewatching again now, Mike Adams starting? 1st 2 Chief first downs picked on him, and why not? QB sneak for 3rd 1st down. Run it for the next- roughing on Dwill after Acho defended downfield. balanced TD - Hillis alone in the endzone OLB blown asignment one or both to blame? can't tell cause it was too awful! Yuk

Skelton started great to Roberts, Fundementsl rushing mistakes by Smith not following Sherman, almost blocked punt-

Actually miseds tackles by DWash! abused Adams as usual -offense attacking him as the weak link at CB for the last 6 years. Abuse non tackling Dwash again TD Chiefs- Chiefs pull the starters

Sendlein blew the run block, Smith never followed Sherman again, then Skelton runs right into the back of Levi cause everywhere the pocket collapsed - holding Cardinals.punt from the endzone .Good kick from the endzone to the 30-runback to 40!
 
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Couple of things. Since I won't see the game I can't comment much. One thing Mitch, you didn't mention Housler in last night's game (his performance). And about the OL. When you talk experience imo it's the number of years that they play together, and not the number of years in the league.
 

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Housler didn't catch a single pass last night - but he did play.

Point well-taken re the O-line needing to play together longer, but other NFL teams have O-lines who haven't played together for very long, but they seem to play better regardless. Why is that?
 
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I don't think anyone could argue that our O-Line has been a bottom 7 unit for 5 years.

We needed a HOF QB with one of the quickest, most accurate releases in history to make them look like a top-20 line.

Russ Grimm, and ultimately, Whiz himself are completely to blame for this.

I'm starting to agree, but I think Whis has too much loyalty to ever let Grimm go.

Regarding the part I bolded: this is precisely what irritates me. Not what you said, but the fact that it's true, and Whis somehow extrapolates that to mean the system works. It worked once, with the same HOF QB for two good years, but it hasn't worked since. You can take a HOF'er and plug him into any system and it's going to work. That's why they're HOF. For Whis and company to somehow think this justifies his system and play-calling is ridiculous. I've always defended Whis and his system; I've even gone so far as to say all the great innovators (Lombardi, Walsh, Shula, Landry, etc) had resistance at first and it took awhile for the league as a whole to catch up. But at some point you have to be flexible and look at evidence and adjust and I don't see us doing that at all. In fact I see us pretty much running the same system since Whis got here. The only almost-wrinkle was last year with the two TE sets at the beginning of the year, which we abandoned when Heap went down. It's very frustrating.
 

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Housler didn't catch a single pass last night - but he did play.

Point well-taken re the O-line needing to play together longer, but other NFL teams have O-lines who haven't played together for very long, but they seem to play better regardless. Why is that?

4 of the 5 starters last night played together last season. We had 4 of the 5 guys who started in 2009 on the team last year! The Cards made the same mistake with LBrown they made with Leonard Davis and took a good RT and made him into an inconsistent LT because of his draft position. Grimm and Whisenhunt and whoever else is responsible for the Oline in Arizona sure seem like they don't know what the heck they are doing.

Those moves are among the reasons I don't buy in with those who claim that the $ Kolb makes won't influence the decision in regards to QB.
 
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