Chiefs 'Begging' to trade away #1 pick

[Totally_Red]

Trading with Andy Reid is like fouling the dribbler with 1 second on the shot clock in a tie game with both teams in the double bonus.

If he gets bailed out of this one...oh, man.

But, he likely will---after the top three tackles, the rest are not plug and play options, so a team left out of the top three like the Dolphins or Chargers might be desperate enough to give up a second rounder.

I think you could plug and play all five of the top o-linemen, but I get your point. All the defenders will be situational their first season with the possible exception of Sharif Floyd who is a day-one starter in Oakland.

 

[LarryStalling]

Cardinals draft Johnson and put him at tight end where he started at Oklahoma before moving to tackle. They are desperate for a blocking te and let him get his feet wet and then move him to tackle in a year or 2. I could see that scenario. Don't think I am for it but I could see it.

 

[Mitch]

I think you could plug and play all five of the top o-linemen, but I get your point. All the defenders will be situational their first season with the possible exception of Sharif Floyd who is a day-one starter in Oakland.

If the Cardinals draft Jarvis Jones, he's the starting WOLB for sure.

 

[Mitch]

Cardinals draft Johnson and put him at tight end where he started at Oklahoma before moving to tackle. They are desperate for a blocking te and let him get his feet wet and then move him to tackle in a year or 2. I could see that scenario. Don't think I am for it but I could see it.

I thought the same exact thing, Larry.

Warmack, on the other hand, starts at LG from day one.

 

[crisper57]

There will be an OL there for us at #7. The question is whether it will be one of the top 3 T's, or the #1 G.

Like many have said, drafting a Tackle is almost a 2-for-1 proposition, because we can then move one of the T's on our roster inside. If we draft a guard, it only fills that position. So I would not be against trading up for a Tackle if we only had to give up a 3rd (where we could get another OL) and 6th (which we'd probably waste on a QB project or otherwise risky player).

That being said, I think we make the Chiefs sweat it out because I don't think anyone is going to jump to move up in this pathetic QB class.

 

[GuernseyCard]

If the Cardinals draft Jarvis Jones, he's the starting WOLB for sure.

But... can he cover or is he a one trick pony?

He didn't impress in his drills and seems to be little more than a rush specialist. One of the reasons, it seems, that there are increasingly few serious draft projections that have him going in the top 10. Seems a bit like the guy Seattle drafted in the first, last year.

 

[Mitch]

But... can he cover or is he a one trick pony?

He didn't impress in his drills and seems to be little more than a rush specialist. One of the reasons, it seems, that there are increasingly few serious draft projections that have him going in the top 10. Seems a bit like the guy Seattle drafted in the first, last year.

I think that's a fair question---but we need a quick, tenacious weak side edge rusher and JJ is the best in this draft, without question.

 

[GuernseyCard]

There will be an OL there for us at #7. The question is whether it will be one of the top 3 T's, or the #1 G.

Like many have said, drafting a Tackle is almost a 2-for-1 proposition, because we can then move one of the T's on our roster inside. If we draft a guard, it only fills that position. So I would not be against trading up for a Tackle if we only had to give up a 3rd (where we could get another OL) and 6th (which we'd probably waste on a QB project or otherwise risky player).

That being said, I think we make the Chiefs sweat it out because I don't think anyone is going to jump to move up in this pathetic QB class.

Why trade up for a guy that many view as no better than Fisher, and given that others believe that Johnson will be the class of the group a few seasons hence?

 

[GuernseyCard]

I think that's a fair question---but we need a quick, tenacious weak side edge rusher and JJ is the best in this draft, without question.

He may prove to be a good one-trick, but you don't use a top 10 pick on someone who is quite possibly a liability in other phases of the game. (IMO)

 

[crisper57]

Why trade up for a guy that many view as no better than Fisher, and given that others believe that Johnson will be the class of the group a few seasons hence?

I am pretty confident that if we sit at #7, our choice will be down to OG or a pass-rusher. I am saying we trade up to get any of the 3 T's if we have to.

I don't know if Johnson will be there at #7, so we have to make a move at some point. If we trade all the way up to #1 to get Joeckel for that price, so be it. If we give up something less to assure getting one of the other 2 T's, I am okay with that too.

Eagles, Chiefs, and Lions will take OT's, IMO, unless we do something about it. Chiefs are the only ones really looking to trade down, I think. It looks like the others will be content to grab their guy in their current spots. So maybe trading with the Chiefs is the only option the Cards have to draft one of those 3 guys.

 

[oaken1]

if the Chefs "WANT" to trade down.....then make them give up the value.....offer, say.....a 1st round swap, our fifth rounder, and a sixth round swap....something of that nature



for those assuming an offensive tackle can just "move inside".....many cannot...different skillset entirely....if we plan to draft an OT we better be certain we have an OT that can move inside, or we need to be comfortable with said OT on the bench...
for my money...draft a guard, there are a few good ones and I am tired of seeing our QB have to reach over the line to pass on a three step drop,...hell, our interior line gets pushed back so quickly I think we pulled the three step drop from the playbook two years ago.....

 

[Mitch]

He may prove to be a good one-trick, but you don't use a top 10 pick on someone who is quite possibly a liability in other phases of the game. (IMO)

Anyone who can get consistent pressure on the QB in this pass happy league is worth a top 10 pick any day of the week.

 

[Broseph]

IMO I think Lane Johnson will be a beast. He is mean and athletic. I think Eric Fisher has more potential to be a bust, but like I said totally my opinion, I'd be happy with either dude on my team.

 

[ndhillst]

Adam Schein wrote an interesting piece on NFL.com about the guards becoming more valuable. I think we can stand pat at 7 and still either get a top 3 OT or one of the top 2 G and not give up any extra picks. That would be the direction I would go.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1...armack-jonathan-cooper-demand-top10-attention

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Bruce Armstrong the OT from University of Louisville who was a 6 time Pro-Bowl tackle and had his number retired by the Patriots.He was a former TE who was converted to offensive tackle in College.That Bruce Armstrong.If the Cards got 6 Pro-Bowls out of the entire O-line we would be happy.

I meant Bruce Campbell, the OT from Maryland drafted in 2010 who has played in 19 career games with zero starts.

here's a part of his bio on wikipedia:

Campbell was selected by the Oakland Raiders in the fourth round (106th overall) of the 2010 NFL Draft, despite many draft analysts, such as Mel Kiper and Scott Wright, who thought he would be selected in the top 10.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Adam Schein wrote an interesting piece on NFL.com about the guards becoming more valuable. I think we can stand pat at 7 and still either get a top 3 OT or one of the top 2 G and not give up any extra picks. That would be the direction I would go.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1...armack-jonathan-cooper-demand-top10-attention

For some reason I couldn't open the page but I have read (and heard) this point made several times the past few years. Whiz talked about it last year and I think someone posted a link or two to other articles on the subject at the time. It makes sense but it remains to be seen whether the various team draft rooms agree with this change in philosophy. I guess we'll probably know if Warmack and Cooper come off the board early.

Steve

 

[JeffGollin]

if the Chefs "WANT" to trade down.....then make them give up the value.....offer, say.....a 1st round swap, our fifth rounder, and a sixth round swap....something of that nature...

Why?

Is there anyone in the top 6 of this draft who is so much better than what we could get at #7 that he'd be worth a 5th and 6th round pick to trade up for?

 

[Totally_Red]

Why?

Is there anyone in the top 6 of this draft who is so much better than what we could get at #7 that he'd be worth a 5th and 6th round pick to trade up for?

The only reason to trade up is if you really need a very good cornerback and have Dee Milliner rated very highly. I suspect he'll be gone to Detroit or Cleveland, so a team would have to trade up to #4.

 

[Denny Green Fan]

How about offering next years second rounder and swapping firsts?

I have a gut feeling they are going to pass on Warmack.

 

[JeffGollin]

How about offering next years second rounder and swapping firsts?.

Same answer - is there anyone in the top 6 who's so much better than we'd get at #7 that he'd be worth our #38?

(In a brief paragraph: No!)

 

[Bodha]

The big thing to remember is that odds are, 5 years down the road only about 2 of the guys from this draft will probably be difference makes/starters on the team.

So the odds of that guy coming from our 3rd round pick, or 5th or 6th, or whatever, is pretty low.


The odds of it coming from our 1st round pick when that pick is Luke Joeckle is damn near guaranteed.

Unless there's a franchise QB at the top of this draft I don't know about, any trade to get the #1 pick would be the dumbest trade ever!!!

How so? Only QBs can go #1 overall?


Its like youre worried how other people will view us if we make that trade to take Joeckle.

What will result of that trade: We will get a franchise LT.....


how is that a dumb move?

In a normal draft year, Joeckle is the only OL with a top 10 grade. But this isn't a normal draft year. I would consider the trade but I don't know if KC would accept that offer. I doubt they would.

As for Lane Johnson, as little as 6 weeks ago he was considered a late 1st/early 2nd round pick. Then he ran a sub 4.8 40. Big deal. If you grade your OT's on 40 times then your in trouble.

I think it was Bruce Armstrong a few years back that ran about a 4.65 40 at 300+ pounds and athletically tested off the charts. Has he ever been heard from in the NFL?

NNNNNNNNNailed it


Ive been saying that for months. Just because this guy can run, that suddenly makes him some elite LT. The guys been a LT for like 17 games in his career. He used to be a TE and QB before that for crying out loud.

Im extremely worried about this Lane Johnson pick gaining momentum. It would be very bust-worthy. Very.

There is no franchise QB in this draft, trading for that number one would be ULTRA stupid

Again, whats with this "Only QBs" can go #1 overall talk?

It doesnt matter if we are picking #1 or #100...the goal is to improve your team, and wed be doing so by taking a lockdown LT.

There will be an OL there for us at #7. The question is whether it will be one of the top 3 T's, or the #1 G.

But what would you rather have: the #3 LT or the #1 G or the #1 LT?


Is the guy we get in round 3 + Lane Johnson going to be better than Luke Joeckle (or Eric Fisher)?

I say heeeeeck no.


Thats why you get the talent.

How about offering next years second rounder and swapping firsts?

I have a gut feeling they are going to pass on Warmack.

Next years draft is loaded. We need all the picks we can for next year.