Chris Paul a Clipper

[Mulli]

Dragic has upside just like about 50-100 others just like him in the NBA. His upside is he might develop into a solid part-time starter. Whoopie

 

[MigratingOsprey]

yeah - the whole premise of the lakers trade is that you frame it to how the team looks w/out chris paul

it's the "you can get nothing"

or

you can get odom, scola, martin & dragic with a high 1st round pick

except the first part is just flat out false - there were options beyond "get nothing" .... it wasn't like this was a deadline deal or there was some hurry to get the deal done .... heck, with the way the new CBA is setup they could have still worked a sign & trade at the end of the year and gotten a decent haul

the other thing to keep in mind is that the league needs to sell the hornets ...... when was the last time a distressed franchise that was prepping to be sold loaded up on long term obligations to pass on to a potential new owner?

it just doesn't happen

in fact, it usually works the opposite - they want to flex out older players & expensive contracts so the new owners can start to mold the team

no way should the hornets have taken on those salaries - would have been crippling

that's why it's a bad deal ... that's why the owners shot it down

this deal provides two top 10 picks on their 1st contracts, an unsecured 1st round pick from a bad team and a serviceable big with an expiring contract

if I was looking to buy a team, that sounds a lot more attractive to me than the other

i'd easily take gordon over martin - 5 years younger and cheaper (martin $12M per this year working through 9 year $59M contract - gordon will make $3.83M this year)

scola signed a 5 year $47M deal last year - he turns 32 this year and will be 36 at the end of that deal ...... he's a nice player, but not exactly someone who has any potential to really lead your team

odom is the most reasonable piece - $8.9M this year and another year after that ...... he's also old though, is prone to sulking, isn't exactly a draw and has spent most of his career as an underacheiver ........ yeah, he's going to be a pleasant guy to have on a team that is out of contention

dragic isn't even worth discussing

the lakers trade would have left them with no star players and very little chance of grabbing one anytime soon to go with a below average (but not absolutely horrible) team that had a lot of long term & questionable contracts

 

[Dback Jon]

spot on MO - it is obvious to anyone that is not a Laker fan, or stupid like Bill Simmons.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Bill Simmons thought the trade was good for the hornets, and he effing hates the Lakers to death and beyond.



Would suck to be one of the 10,000 Hornets ticketholders right now...that team is going to be atrocious to watch. You've got pros and cons for both deals. Build for the future (potentially) and suffer for the short term, or field a watchable team but not a contender.

I can't say I blame the Hornets for going all in on potential, but that can backfire just as easily. Twolves won't be as bad as people think with Adelman (who I wanted the Lakers to hire). They will suck for sure, so that pick will get lots of lotto balls, but drafting is drafting. They could easily pick an Oden over a Durant. But I admire the gamble aspect of it. It could pay off in spades.

So much is talked about the salaries, but Odom would be a tradeable asset before the deadline (March) to any contender, so they could move him easily, even for a trade exception for a full $9m salary wash.

BTW, Gordon is a RFA at the end of the year too. Is he going to stay there? Or is he going to try to broker a deal somewhere after languishing in a bad system?

There are pros and cons from the Hornets' side on both deals. The upside is MUCH higher on the Clippers deal, but it's silly to act like the Lakers were getting a Pau Gasol type trade there. In fact, IMO they were worse off and would have desperately needed to land Howard. Could have been a big backfire (not to mention Paul's knee - which is good for the Clippers that he already got the required knee injury out of the way on the Hornets' dime).

The centerpiece of what the Lakers offered was Odom, which they subsequently GAVE away for nearly nothing. The Suns basically paid Houston with a first rounder to take Dragic.

 

[Bufalay]

Bill Simmons thought the trade was good for the hornets, and he effing hates the Lakers to death and beyond.

So?

 

[D-Dogg]

So?

So it isn't just Laker fans. Follow along Bufalay. At least Jon had a cunning (and accurate) retort.

 

[Bufalay]

So it isn't just Laker fans. Follow along Bufalay. At least Jon had a cunning (and accurate) retort.

I don't find the argument, "it's a good trade cuz bill simmons said it was," particularly compelling. There are plenty of other Lakers haters on this board offering much more convincing arguments as to why that trade made no sense for the Hornets.

 

[D-Dogg]

I don't find the argument, "it's a good trade cuz bill simmons said it was," particularly compelling.

*sigh* That wasn't the argument.

David Thorpe, who is NOT stupid, also said it was a good trade and a matter of perspective as to which one was better. And he's a hell of a lot smarter than any Laker hater or lover on any board.

 

[jbeecham]

Personally I think it was a bad trade for the Lakers if it had gone through... They give up Gasol & Odom for Chris Paul? I think Chris Paul is one of the top 3 PGs in the league... probably even the best if 100% healthy, but you never trade big for small... especially 2 bigs that were instrumental in getting you to the finals. That would've left the Lakers with the often injured Bynum as their only real big guy.

I know the Lakers had dreams of getting both Paul & Dwight Howard (by giving up Bynum & filler), but there's no guarantee they could've gotten Howard. Kobe, Paul & Dwight would've been a better trio than Miami's Lebron, Wade & Bosh. I think beyond the bad salary situation, the league was scared that the Lakers would be able to get all 3 together and form another super team like the Heat.

The way things have worked out... our division just got even tougher because the Lakers will still be good & now the Clippers should be very strong too. I guess it helps our draft pick.

 

[Diamondback Jay]

I HATE the Lakers.... As passionately as one person can dislike a team, I feel about them.

That said, I don't think the Laker deal was THAT bad.. They were giving up Gasol and the Hornets would have gotten some nice players out of the deal.

Ultimately, I feel the Clipper one was better, with Gordon and the unprotected lottery pick, however I also don't feel the Laker one was AS bad as made out to sound.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I HATE the Lakers.... As passionately as one person can dislike a team, I feel about them.

That said, I don't think the Laker deal was THAT bad.. They were giving up Gasol and the Hornets would have gotten some nice players out of the deal.

Ultimately, I feel the Clipper one was better, with Gordon and the unprotected lottery pick, however I also don't feel the Laker one was AS bad as made out to sound.

I think most of us panned the deal not because it wasn't value for value but because it made little sense for New Orleans. It would have significantly raised their payroll and left them a borderline playoff contender with little hope for the future. Given that the team HAS to be sold soon, that just doesn't seem like the way to go. Sure, the Hornets could have eventually traded those pieces for future assets but that puts all the risk at the Hornets door. They should have had more teams involved and moved those same assets to other teams so that New Orleans could have received draft picks and inexpensive young talent.

I'm sure the fact that some people felt it appeared that the league was in collusion with the Lakers so they could get Paul and clear enough space for Howard also entered the picture. But regardless, I have no problem with Stern stepping in and blocking the deal and in the end, NO received a deal from the Clippers that actually gave them what they needed (short and long term).

Steve

 

[chickenhead]

The whole thing looks shady, regardless of whether you think the league was colluding with or screwing the Lakers. The fact that the league owns the team > empowered a GM to make the trade > blocked the trade > made a different trade = not the way business should be done.

Maybe it's just the unfortunate byproduct of the circumstances, but it also makes it clear that a league-run team is more vulnerable to pressure from other owners than a team with a real owner. Bad news all around.*

*Unless the league buys the Suns from Sarver. That I could live with for a little while...

 

[Joe L]

The whole thing looks shady, regardless of whether you think the league was colluding with or screwing the Lakers. The fact that the league owns the team > empowered a GM to make the trade > blocked the trade > made a different trade = not the way business should be done.

Maybe it's just the unfortunate byproduct of the circumstances, but it also makes it clear that a league-run team is more vulnerable to pressure from other owners than a team with a real owner. Bad news all around.*

*Unless the league buys the Suns from Sarver. That I could live with for a little while...

Every Deal a GM makes has to be approved by the owner first ( sign off), and league second. Bottom line, the deal leaked and the masses thought it was finalized...A day before any deal could be signed/approved.

 

[Renz]

"I'm excited to be here in L.A. with this unbelievable franchise with so much history behind it," Paul said.

LMAO! Paul will be gone in two years and so, most likely, will Griffin.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think most of us panned the deal not because it wasn't value for value but because it made little sense for New Orleans. It would have significantly raised their payroll and left them a borderline playoff contender with little hope for the future. Given that the team HAS to be sold soon, that just doesn't seem like the way to go. Sure, the Hornets could have eventually traded those pieces for future assets but that puts all the risk at the Hornets door. They should have had more teams involved and moved those same assets to other teams so that New Orleans could have received draft picks and inexpensive young talent.

I'm sure the fact that some people felt it appeared that the league was in collusion with the Lakers so they could get Paul and clear enough space for Howard also entered the picture. But regardless, I have no problem with Stern stepping in and blocking the deal and in the end, NO received a deal from the Clippers that actually gave them what they needed (short and long term).

Steve

head completely hits nail on this one. The Lakers did give up a lot... the Rockets did too and somehow the Hornets ended up with a ton of salary and even more mediocrity. I mean, they didn't even get the second best player in the deal. Just made no sense to me from the Hornets perspective.

 

[Joe L]

LMAO! Paul will be gone in two years and so, most likely, will Griffin.

Meh, I doubt he goes to the Lakers.

The way "Junior" is running that team, it's likely Old Kobe demands a trade. Unless West helps out one of the Buss' again, it looks like it's going to take some time to rebuild again with all that salary.

Hey, if you want to jump on the wagon like a ton of Lakers fan have lately, room for one more..."I love LA". If we make noise in the next 2 seasons, CP3 would be stupid to leave.

By that time, Kobe will be picking out his rolex, D12 will be with the Mavs, and his options will be limited. I ain't worried.

 

[Mainstreet]

The whole thing looks shady, regardless of whether you think the league was colluding with or screwing the Lakers. The fact that the league owns the team > empowered a GM to make the trade > blocked the trade > made a different trade = not the way business should be done.

Maybe it's just the unfortunate byproduct of the circumstances, but it also makes it clear that a league-run team is more vulnerable to pressure from other owners than a team with a real owner. Bad news all around.*

*Unless the league buys the Suns from Sarver. That I could live with for a little while...

Just a thought. Although the above is not likely to happen, I was thinking if Sarver were to entertain the idea of selling the Suns, 2012 might be the right year with a lot of salary coming off the books to make it attractive to a buyer.

 

[AzStevenCal]

Meh, I doubt he goes to the Lakers.

The way "Junior" is running that team, it's likely Old Kobe demands a trade. Unless West helps out one of the Buss' again, it looks like it's going to take some time to rebuild again with all that salary.

Hey, if you want to jump on the wagon like a ton of Lakers fan have lately, room for one more..."I love LA". If we make noise in the next 2 seasons, CP3 would be stupid to leave.

By that time, Kobe will be picking out his rolex, D12 will be with the Mavs, and his options will be limited. I ain't worried.

I'd bet he already started down that path and his agent told him the sad truth. He's owed something like 54 million over the next 2 years and there aren't going to be many suitors (if any). I don't think his ego could tolerate it if he demanded a trade and the Lakers were willing to accommodate but unable to find a suitor. He has to play at least part of the season at a high enough level to convince the NBA world that last season wasn't simply the first year of a precipitous decline and even then it will be tough to move him.

Steve

 

[Joe L]

I'd bet he already started down that path and his agent told him the sad truth. He's owed something like 54 million over the next 2 years and there aren't going to be many suitors (if any). I don't think his ego could tolerate it if he demanded a trade and the Lakers were willing to accommodate but unable to find a suitor. He has to play at least part of the season at a high enough level to convince the NBA world that last season wasn't simply the first year of a precipitous decline and even then it will be tough to move him.

Steve

When it rains it pours. Maybe Kobe likes jewelry more than an exciting team...Cause it's going to take a whole lot of jewelry to keep from losing his wife this time.
This is officially the end of the Kobe era. WOW

 

[Cheesebeef]

When it rains it pours. Maybe Kobe likes jewelry more than an exciting team...Cause it's going to take a whole lot of jewelry to keep from losing his wife this time.
This is officially the end of the Kobe era. WOW

it's only the end when Howard gets traded to the Nets. Otherwise, the window's still open. but if that happens, then yeah... it's gonna be awesome continually watching Kobe and his outrageous 30 million dollar salary choke this team to death as he gets older.

 

[slinslin]

LMAO! Paul will be gone in two years and so, most likely, will Griffin.

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