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Chris Johnson with the vaunted Tennesee O-Line:

262 carries - 1047 yards - 4.0 av per carry - 4TDs

Beanie with the terrible, terrible AZ Card 0-line:

245 carries - 1047 yards - 4.3 av per carry - 10TDs
 

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I like Beanie better than Lynch (Hello recency bias! Dude was a crap player for 3 of last 4 years) and I think Gore is about fall off a cliff. Hunter/James/Jacobs are gonna eat up his carries. Stephen Jackson is on wrong side fof his career too although i think Fisher gets one more ballistic year out if him.

So no I don't think the chasm between Beanie and rest of division is all that great if at all. Look at the whole situation (age, injury history, other backs on team) rather then being Joe Casual fan and saying " oh I recognize Gore and Jackson's name thus they will be better this year.

Beanie is severly underratted by Cards fans. Does he not block, catch passes, and grind out injuries like I would have liked? No he doesn't. He also was the 31st pick for a reason.

But he's a GREAT between the tackles runner who can break long runs. He also is great at the goal line.

My order of fantasy production?

Jackson
beanie
Lynch
Gore

Book it.
 

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I like Beanie. I was a fan when we drafted him, and still am. But I think it's pretty clear at this point that he's not an elite back, and probably doesn't have the skills to be mentioned in the same breath as the top 10 or 12 backs in the NFL, even when he's completely healthy.

The Good:
+ Tough
+ Physical
+ Doesn't quit
+ Always seems to get positive yardage
+ Can find the end zone
+ Reads offensive line blocks well

Negatives:
- Gets nicked up
- Volume runner and requires 12-15 carries a game to get untracked
- Doesn't offer much or demand attention as a receiver
- Much, much more effective out of two-back sets
- Willing but unskilled in pass pro

Because we're used to zeroes like Timmy Hightower (sorry, Shane) and Marcel Shipp as starters at RB, some Cards fans are ready to wax rhapsodic about a perfectly average back. The good news is that the Arizona Cardinals have upgraded to an average running back. The bad news is that the coaching staff can't wait to dump him for Ryan Williams, who was last close two average two years ago and is coming off a devastating knee injury.
 

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The bad news is that the coaching staff can't wait to dump him for Ryan Williams, who was last close too average two years ago and is coming off a devastating knee injury

Hey, I was having a really good day until I read this and had to agree with you.

Thanks a lot.

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Hey, I was having a really good day until I read this and had to agree with you.

Thanks a lot.

:mad:

Sorry about that. :thumbup: I love reading this board but hate posting on it at this time of year. We're a week away from the new Football Outsiders annual to come out to give me some new perspective on the team, division, and league (super-excited). There are a lot of fans who are super-amped about guys whose names will be forgotten by everyone except ******s like me--and only so I can throw them in the face of the people who were certain that Stephen Williams was going to be the next Randy Moss (seriously, guys, do a search on "Stephen Williams" and "Randy Moss" on this board--let's not get ahead of ourselves here). I don't want to come in and remind them that "Mini Fitz" has no chance to make this roster.

I like Chris Wells. I'm a little scarred from that convo last spring when I just said, "Let's not get ahead of ourselves here" and got jumped all over because I didn't think that Beanie was as good as Adrian Peterson and better than Maurice Jones-Drew. Sorry.

I'm mostly just boggled that people are ready to essentially cut ties on Beanie to give Ryan Williams more touches. Why? Because Beanie Wells can't stay healthy! WTF?
 

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Sorry about that. :thumbup: I love reading this board but hate posting on it at this time of year. We're a week away from the new Football Outsiders annual to come out to give me some new perspective on the team, division, and league (super-excited). There are a lot of fans who are super-amped about guys whose names will be forgotten by everyone except ******s like me--and only so I can throw them in the face of the people who were certain that Stephen Williams was going to be the next Randy Moss (seriously, guys, do a search on "Stephen Williams" and "Randy Moss" on this board--let's not get ahead of ourselves here). I don't want to come in and remind them that "Mini Fitz" has no chance to make this roster.

I like Chris Wells. I'm a little scarred from that convo last spring when I just said, "Let's not get ahead of ourselves here" and got jumped all over because I didn't think that Beanie was as good as Adrian Peterson and better than Maurice Jones-Drew. Sorry.

I'm mostly just boggled that people are ready to essentially cut ties on Beanie to give Ryan Williams more touches. Why? Because Beanie Wells can't stay healthy! WTF?

You're scarred? I'm the one who has the little Cardinal Red cloud that follows him around and causes me to jinx Cardinal players. It's not Wells fault at all that he isn't as good as AP. It's mine. I don't know if you remember me posting a couple of years ago how I played in the Cardinals Charities Golf tournament two years in a row and both Cardinal players that were on my team got cut that fall. I haven't played since.

At least I can work it the other way sometimes. Like at halftime of the Cowboys game last year when I wrote I'd fix Kolb's problems and posted a scathing paragraph about him. One of the best Duckjake reverse jinxes of all time. :)
 
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You're scarred? I'm the one who has the little Cardinal Red and Black cloud that follows him around and jinxes anyone I pimp. It's not Wells fault at all that he isn't as good as AP. It's mine. I don't know if you remember me posting a couple of years ago how I played in the Cardinals Charities Golf tournament two years in a row and both Cardinal players that were on my team got cut that fall. I haven't played since.

At least I can work it the other way sometimes. Like at halftime of the Cowboys game last year when I wrote I'd fix Kolb's problems and posted a scathing paragraph about him. One of the best Duckjake reverse jinxes of all time. :)

I don't think that's a you thing. I think that's a regular Cardinals fan thing. Thank God I lost a lot of weight during graduate school, or I wouldn't have had the motivation to get rid of my Jake Plummer jersey and the Bryant Johnson jersey my dad got me the Christmas of his rookie year (the team shop was all out of Anquan Boldins). Remember the year that the Cards gave away replica jerseys with season ticket packages? Weren't all three of the options off the team the next year?

One of the great things about the little run of success that we've had is that we've been able to keep a handful of players for more than five or six years. We'll have Fitz for more than a decade if he stays healthy. Same with Dockett and Wilson. Were there any 10-year Cardinal veterans on the 1997 team? On the 2008 team, even?

No, I'm not going to cry for you're being able to afford club seats and the easy entrance to the stadium or low-four-figure registration to the Cards' Charity Golf Tournament. You're lucky that I'm not organizing an Occupy DJ's Yard protest with desertdawg. :D
 

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Wells was great early when he was healthy, but once he got knicked up last year he had two games after week 4 where his ypc average was above 4. One of them being his monster game vs the Rams, the second worst run D in the league. They gave up 4.8 YPC as a defense last year, so if you can't get a 4+ average against them you shouldn't be in the league. I don't hate Wells, but I don't love him either. He's a good power back when healthy, but that is about it, as it has been noted. And how often has he been healthy? Not nearly enough. I won't lose any sleep if he signs elsewhere.
 

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I don't think that's a you thing. I think that's a regular Cardinals fan thing. Thank God I lost a lot of weight during graduate school, or I wouldn't have had the motivation to get rid of my Jake Plummer jersey and the Bryant Johnson jersey my dad got me the Christmas of his rookie year (the team shop was all out of Anquan Boldins). Remember the year that the Cards gave away replica jerseys with season ticket packages? Weren't all three of the options off the team the next year?

One of the great things about the little run of success that we've had is that we've been able to keep a handful of players for more than five or six years. We'll have Fitz for more than a decade if he stays healthy. Same with Dockett and Wilson. Were there any 10-year Cardinal veterans on the 1997 team? On the 2008 team, even?

No, I'm not going to cry for you're being able to afford club seats and the easy entrance to the stadium or low-four-figure registration to the Cards' Charity Golf Tournament. You're lucky that I'm not organizing an Occupy DJ's Yard protest with desertdawg. :D

When they went to 4 figures I started staying home. Some things about success aren't good for fans. Like the CCGT going from $600 a player to $1500. Haven't played since 2007 when I got Player cut. :(

Even $600 is a lot of money until you consider what I got. FREE BEER, FREE Tequila, a PING golf bag I gave to Card Trader, a hybrid club with the Cards logo on it, golf shoes, Cardinals clogs, and dinner with people like Larry Wilson and Bill Sr, I gave him a picture from my daughters NFL flag football championship as the Arizona Cardinals Girls representative, Larry Fitzgerald,and a Cardinal helmet chip tray autographed by Ken Whisenhunt and was able to buy a suite at a game at SDS with tickets and food for 16 people for $2600! For a life long Cardinal fan who never lived in the city with the team it was worth every penny.

In reference to your repy, I don't know how many times I've heard Cardinal fans talk about how the Cards never score if the fan is actually watching. But I'm the King of jinxes. Just last night my son was watching the Cards baseball game on mlbtv and I walked in and he said "Dad get out you'll jinx them!"
 
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Wells was great early when he was healthy, but once he got knicked up last year he had two games after week 4 where his ypc average was above 4. One of them being his monster game vs the Rams, the second worst run D in the league. They gave up 4.8 YPC as a defense last year, so if you can't get a 4+ average against them you shouldn't be in the league. I don't hate Wells, but I don't love him either. He's a good power back when healthy, but that is about it, as it has been noted. And how often has he been healthy? Not nearly enough. I won't lose any sleep if he signs elsewhere.

Happens to a lot of backs. Look up Frank Gore's numbers as the season went on. The upside is that despite being debilitatingly injured and the Cards having no plan whatsoever to help take the pressure off of him after Ryan Williams got hurt (it's shameful how frequently the Cards are caught with their pants down and no plan when someone goes down), Chris Wells alone assured that the run game was a legitimate option for the Cards' offense, and something opposing defenses had to account for.

I don't want John Skelton running the Kurt Warner/Kevin Kolb offense. I want John Skelton running Matt Ryan's offense. And you can't run Matt Ryan's offense without Michael Turner.

Beanie Wells is a poor-man's Michael Turner, but he's stuck in an offense that needs LeSean McCoy to be the starter. :bang:
 

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Happens to a lot of backs. Look up Frank Gore's numbers as the season went on. The upside is that despite being debilitatingly injured and the Cards having no plan whatsoever to help take the pressure off of him after Ryan Williams got hurt (it's shameful how frequently the Cards are caught with their pants down and no plan when someone goes down), Chris Wells alone assured that the run game was a legitimate option for the Cards' offense, and something opposing defenses had to account for.

I don't want John Skelton running the Kurt Warner/Kevin Kolb offense. I want John Skelton running Matt Ryan's offense. And you can't run Matt Ryan's offense without Michael Turner.

Beanie Wells is a poor-man's Michael Turner, but he's stuck in an offense that needs LeSean McCoy to be the starter. :bang:

Agree on all counts. I think Michael Turner is a good comparison.
 

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He is elite- power-in traffic and in the open field when healthy. Has a stiff arm like no other - and needs repeat NEEDS 20+ carries a game to control the game. He gets stronger with each carry as he wears down a defense.

I'd like to see this next year, but doubt it with Williams now in the picture. Your lucky if this happens more than a 4-5 games.

Maybe Wells and the staff will prove me wrong. Highly doubt it though.
 

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I don't think that's a you thing. I think that's a regular Cardinals fan thing. Thank God I lost a lot of weight during graduate school, or I wouldn't have had the motivation to get rid of my Jake Plummer jersey and the Bryant Johnson jersey my dad got me the Christmas of his rookie year (the team shop was all out of Anquan Boldins). Remember the year that the Cards gave away replica jerseys with season ticket packages? Weren't all three of the options off the team the next year?

One of the great things about the little run of success that we've had is that we've been able to keep a handful of players for more than five or six years. We'll have Fitz for more than a decade if he stays healthy. Same with Dockett and Wilson. Were there any 10-year Cardinal veterans on the 1997 team? On the 2008 team, even?

No, I'm not going to cry for you're being able to afford club seats and the easy entrance to the stadium or low-four-figure registration to the Cards' Charity Golf Tournament. You're lucky that I'm not organizing an Occupy DJ's Yard protest with desertdawg. :D
Duck would probably bring us out some beer and hang out. We'd all get drunk and go occupy which ever neighbor Duck isn't gellin with, my money is on some Cowboy fan. :cheers:
 

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Me. Beanie is ********.

I know we have a this discussion before. You don't get to call people whatever name you feel like. You call them what the go by.

Otherwise I'm just going to call you Rick for the hell of it :)
 

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Darkside doesn't even like Beanie Wells, he just wants to the other team to lose...I know a butt cap when I see one. When Beanie Wells goes 300 yards in a game what are you gonna say then? When he goes healthy for the whole season...are you going to finally admit that Beanie can run the rock? Or are you just gonna sit around and hate on everybody that digs the Cardinals and Chris Wells?
 
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The bad news is that the coaching staff can't wait to dump him for Ryan Williams, who was last close two average two years ago and is coming off a devastating knee injury.

That's blatantly ridiculous. Sure Williams has basically had two unrelated major injuries two seasons in a row, but he was way beyond average when he was healthy. He was probably the best RB in all of college football, which is why he still had an early round grade even though he was hurt his senior year.
 

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That's blatantly ridiculous. Sure Williams has basically had two unrelated major injuries two seasons in a row, but he was way beyond average when he was healthy. He was probably the best RB in all of college football, which is why he still had an early round grade even though he was hurt his senior year.

So... Has Ryan Williams been a good football player in the last 24 months, or not? Has Beanie Wells?
 

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That's blatantly ridiculous. Sure Williams has basically had two unrelated major injuries two seasons in a row, but he was way beyond average when he was healthy. He was probably the best RB in all of college football, which is why he still had an early round grade even though he was hurt his senior year.

It was Williams "Sophomore" year. He was a redshirt in 2008. Williams has played only one full season of football since he was in High School in 2007.

Well at least he should have fresh legs and RBs are more instinctive players so not playing might not affect him as adversely as it would most other position players.
 

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As a freshman at Virginia Tech in 2008, Williams was redshirted. As a redshirt freshman in 2009, Williams took over as starting running back after starter Darren Evans suffered a season-ending ACL injury.[1] Through thirteen games he rushed for 1,655 yards on 293 carries, scored 21 touchdowns, and broke multiple Virginia Tech and ACC rushing records in the process - including Virginia Tech's single season rushing yards record, the ACC single season rushing touchdown record, and the ACC single season touchdown record with 22 touchdowns.[2] He began the 2010 season as a starter but injured his right hamstring in a game against East Carolina University and was out for four games before coming back against Duke.
On January 9, 2011, it was announced that Williams will give up his final 2 years of NCAA eligibility to make himself available for the 2011 NFL Draft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Williams_(American_football)
 

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