Clayton: Steelers offering Jackson a bigger bonus

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Monday, the Steelers were hoping to finalize a deal to sign Super Bowl MVP Dexter Jackson, but indecision and a pregnant wife has delayed Jackson's final decision. Jackson couldn't make up his mind Tuesday on whether to accept similar five-year, $12.25 million offers from either the Steelers or the Arizona Cardinals. Complicating matters is that doctors were going to induce labor on his pregnant wife. The Steelers appeared to have the edge Monday because while the Cardinals were offering the same amount of money as the Steelers in a five-year, $12.25 million offer, the structures were different. The Steelers were offering more in a signing bonus. The structure of the Cardinals contract would pay him more than the Steelers during the first three years of the contract. Also, the Steelers had the edge in the fact they are a perennial playoff team while the Cardinals have struggled outside of the playoffs.




It's OK Graves, we can just re-sign Lassier :rolleyes:

The idea of the Cardinals being outbid by any team for any player (as we sit on $30 million of cap space) is just asinine.
 

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We collect up the castoffs after training camp.
Which brings up the question, is there a deadline to spend the MINIMUM of your cap space?
 

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This report came out two days ago someone posted that the two contracts were similar. Then Graves stated in one of his interviews that he was up really late trying to work a deal with Jacksons agent so who knows maybe he has upped the ante?

Hopefully he has and we just dont know it yet. But even that might not do us any good :roll:
 

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we're not getting this one either. It's that darned Playoff contender phrase again! Just keeps coming up.
 
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If we go into the season and our only FA upgrades are Blake/Stewart and Chike Okeafor, we will be very, very bad.

And it doesn't even look like Okeafor and Stewart have much interest.

Dexter Jackson is entering his prime. He could be a pro-bowl caliber player for the length of that 5-year deal. Increase the bonus offer. Pay this guy.
 

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Originally posted by Ed B
If we go into the season and our only FA upgrades are Blake/Stewart and Chike Okeafor, we will be very, very bad.

And it doesn't even look like Okeafor and Stewart have much interest.

Dexter Jackson is entering his prime. He could be a pro-bowl caliber player for the length of that 5-year deal. Increase the bonus offer. Pay this guy.

I think we need both Holliday and Okeafor as well as Blake and Jackson.
 

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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
Sammy Knight...................problem solved

Dude, Sammy Knight was cut for a reason.

He is not that good. He gets burned a whole lot in coverage and is a liability. The main function of a DB is to defend the pass, and Sammy Knight is just not very good. Dexter Jackson is ten times Sammy Knight in coverage.
 

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Dude, Sammy Knight was cut for a reason.

He is not that good. He gets burned a whole lot in coverage and is a liability. The main function of a DB is to defend the pass, and Sammy Knight is just not very good. Dexter Jackson is ten times Sammy Knight in coverage.

Knight wasn't cut, he voided the last year of his deal. Safety is a position where there are some options that can still upgrade the team if Jackson falls through. Jones, Flowers, Knight and even Lassiter if worse comes to worse.
 

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Krang???? I don't know if you've even watched Sammy knight. The Saints just out right cut their defensive MVP ???? Tell me what makes Dexter Jackson 10 times Sammy Knight??? cause he won a ring?? Sammy knight voided his contract with the Saints... Stop trying so hard to dispute everyone else's opinions. I know what I'm talking about & Sammy Knight is an excellent football player...
 
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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
Krang???? I don't know if you've even watched Sammy knight. The Saints just out right cut their defensive MVP ???? Tell me what makes Dexter Jackson 10 times Sammy Knight??? cause he won a ring?? Sammy knight voided his contract with the Saints... Stop trying so hard to dispute everyone else's opinions. I know what I'm talking about & Sammy Knight is an excellent football player...

Sammy Knight is slow and overrated. He's an OK player, but people see Pro Bowl and his INT stats and assume he's awesome.

Not one team has brought him in for a visit yet.
 

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Thursday, February 27

Knight gambles on free-agent market

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By Len Pasquarelli
ESPN.com


Having spent most of his football career beating the odds, New Orleans strong safety Sammy Knight knows a promising gamble when he sees one, and that is why the Saints star is confident his roll of the dice in free agency will not come up snake-eyes.

In what figures to be a tentative market, one in which veteran players are increasingly opting for security over adventure, Knight is the rare breed. He actually opted out of the final season of his Saints contract, turning his back on a $1.925 million base salary, to test the free agent waters.

And not surprisingly, given the degree of confidence with which Knight has always operated, he figures things will work out swimmingly for him.

"I feel good about things," said Knight, one of the NFL's most productive safeties over the past six seasons. "A lot of times, it's easy to just settle for the status quo, but I'm at the point in my career where I wanted to shake things up a little. Time for a change, time for something new, you know?"

There are some who have suggested that, had Knight not voided the 2003 portion of the five-year, $10 million contract he signed in 1999, the Saints would have released him anyway before the start of the free agency period. One team official denied that, when queried at last week's combine sessions, but did indicate the Saints might have requested a contract restructuring.

Knight opted to make the point academic, though, by putting his future into his own hands. And, as anyone who has watched the Saints over the past six seasons will attest, those are pretty good hands in which to be.

A Pro Bowl performer in 2001, Knight leads all safeties in "big plays" -- a total of sacks, interceptions, fumbles forced and recovered and touchdowns -- over the past three seasons. His 16 interceptions in that period are the third most among all safeties and his 28 pickoffs in six years with the Saints ranks third on the franchise's all-time list.

Given the dubious performance of the New Orleans secondary over the last two seasons, fans should be aghast at seeing Knight go, but he made it clear he is leaving on his terms. That certainly places him in a small subspecies of players who will go into the free agency market Friday of their own accord.

Knight made it clear he has ripped off his mental rear-view mirror.

"Most guys are pushed into free agency," Knight said. "Me, I chose to be a free agent, right? I'll never look back on the decision. I'm not a person who is into second-guessing himself. So I'm not looking back at all. Everything I do is based on looking ahead now."

There are less than a handful of veterans this year with enough temerity to have walked away from handsome salaries for the chance at landing a better deal. Just like Knight, they exude confidence there will be teams willing to pay them, clubs with open checkbooks and prepared to keep them in a tax bracket to which they are accustomed.

There is a chance, for instance, that Green Bay cornerback Tyrone Williams would have worked out a deal to stay with the Packers -- who were not ready to pay him a $4 million March roster bonus but did want to keep him -- but he also decided to exercise an option to void his deal. Williams should land a pretty solid contract offer somewhere and so should Knight as well.

“ Wherever I go, I want to help change things for the better. If it means I'm the final piece of the Super Bowl puzzle somewhere, hey, that would be great. If I go, say, to the Cincinnati Bengals, I want to be the guy who helps get that team turned around. ”
— Sammy Knight, former Saints safety

But at this point in his career, Knight acknowledged, he is more concerned with winning than the number of zeroes in his contract. He feels that a team that is a contender, one that feels a quality safety will move in a step closer to a Super Bowl appearance, will come calling.

"Wherever I go," Knight said, "I want to help change things for the better. If it means I'm the final piece of the Super Bowl puzzle somewhere, hey, that would be great. If I go, say, to the Cincinnati Bengals, I want to be the guy who helps get that team turned around."

Signed as an undrafted college free agent in 1997, the former Southern Cal star gained a starting job just a month into his rookie season, and has been a fixture in the Saints secondary ever since. His final season with the Trojans, he actually played linebacker, and that contributed to him not being drafted.

But he earned a starting spot as a rookie and, after just one year, the Saints made a long-term commitment to him.

Knight, 27, signed the five-year contract in 1999. The deal, which included a $2 million signing bonus, featured a provision that permitted him to void the 2003 portion of the contract if Knight accomplished performance incentives. He easily reached most of the benchmarks and that triggered his ability to void the contract.

The decision to exercise the void, he said, was an easy one. There were no sleepless nights, not much mental debate, and no regrets now.

While he bristles slight when it is suggested he might have beaten the posse out of town, Knight can rattle off a litany of veteran players released by New Orleans once their salaries reached a certain point, and allows that he didn't want to join that list.

But even if he didn't sense his day might be running out in New Orleans, he still would have opted to trigger the void.

"I've spent six years there and, the way it seems, it's time to move on," said Knight, one of the league's top playmakers at strong safety. "If you look at the way the Saints have operated, if they're going to keep you, they've made a move by now to keep you. There really hasn't been anything with me. It's kind of a repetitive thing with the team. Once you reach a certain salary level they don't want to keep you around. And there comes a point, too, where you don't want to stick around."

Two teams indicated to ESPN.com at the combine that Knight is already on their radar screen. Knight and his agent feel that, come Friday, the telephone will ring with teams anxious to display their interest.

"Things are going to work out just fine," Knight said. "They always do. This is a gamble I know that I'll win."

Len Pasquarelli is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.com.
 
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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
yeah looks real over-rated to me too!!!!:rolleyes:
makes sense only to only us Card fans:thumbup:

Yeah good comeback. I'm not a Cards fan.

All you know about him is that he made the Pro Bowl.
 

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Let me guess, the pro bowl is a popularity contest right??? How many people even knew he was an UFA??? hell Krang said he was cut!!!!I've watched him play!!! which neither you nor your buddy Krang have taken the time to do.... watch some football, before you start, being an NFL player, & talent, evaluator....
 
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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
watch some football, before you start, being an NFL player, & talent, evaluator....

Excess comma overload! Excess comma overload!

I've seen Knight plenty of times. He's not half the player Jackson is, the only thing that would lead anyone to think Knight is superior are his INT stats and his Pro Bowl accolades.
 

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Thanks for acknowledging misplaced comma's on a football message board:rolleyes: Your smart!!!!!Knight's not half the player Jackson is????? you've had 1 too many PBR's.... Had it not been for Dexter Jackson & his superbowl performance, We would not be having this discussion because, we would not be pursuing him so strongly. One game??? Is your basis for this assessment???? Your argument about Knight's pro bowl accolades have no merit. He's been very consisitent over several seasons on a suspect defense.
 
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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
Let me guess, the pro bowl is a popularity contest right??? How many people even knew he was an UFA??? hell Krang said he was cut!!!!I've watched him play!!! which neither you nor your buddy Krang have taken the time to do.... watch some football, before you start, being an NFL player, & talent, evaluator....

Whatever "big daddy". I've watched him play many times, and he is slow, and overrated, just as Ed was saying....

Boy, he really is awesome considering not a single team has even brought him for a visit :rolleyes:

Who the **** cares if he was cut or if he voided his contract, even his old team hasn't made even a token move to bring him back, but you the GOD of talent evaluators think he is all world.

Grow up, you ****.
 
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Feb. 20, 2003

Sammy Knight

ProFootballWeekly.com asks managing editor Mike Holbrook for his thoughts on the hottest topics around the NFL:


Knight decides to void final year of contract with Saints

SS Sammy Knight is saying goodbye to New Orleans after six years with the Saints. Knight, one of the top strong safeties in the league, will apparently exercise the right to void the final year of his contract, making him an unrestricted free agent. Knight led the Saints with five interceptions in 2002 and was a Pro Bowl selection in 2001.

PFW: Is Knight making a mistake considering the glut of quality free-agent safeties available?

Holbrook: He may be, since safeties are one of the lower-paid positions in football (in fact, just above kicker/punter in the monetary pecking order). The fact that Knight is joining a free-agent class that includes Donovin Darius, Lee Flowers, Super Bowl MVP Dexter Jackson and Kwamie Lassiter also may mean that there won't be as much money to go around as Knight hopes.

However, Knight is a highly productive player who easily reached the performance incentives detailed in his contract to allow him to become a free agent. He is just 27 years old and is known for being a ballhawk. In fact, he made 28 interceptions in six seasons with New Orleans. I've got to think, as he obviously does, that a player with his playmaking ability will be in demand.

PFW: What impact does this have on the Saints’ defense?

Holbrook: This is a big blow to the Saints. They had a subpar defense last season and now they're losing their top playmaker, a guy who created turnovers and got the ball back into the hands of the Saints' explosive offense. New Orleans has got to shore up its defense to make a run at the playoffs, especially with proven playoff teams like Tampa and Atlanta in the rugged NFC South. You can now add safety to a Saints shopping list that already included cornerback and linebacker.


Just interjecting some more objectivity into the disagreement. I believe the only negative on Sammy Knight I have come across centers on his speed. If Dexter Jackson does reject us for Steeler country I see no reason why this guy should not warrant a look. He is a Strong Safety and I would much prefer to see Adrian Wilson at the Free Safety position.

P.S. Rod Graves and company should be showering the hospital with gifts galore for the Jacksons' new born baby.
 

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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
He's been very consisitent over several seasons on a suspect defense.

He's part of the reason WHY his defense is SUSPECT.

The guy gives NOTHING in coverage. Kwamie Lassiter and Adrian Wilson (as bad as they were at times last year) are better than Sammy Knight.
 

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Real tough behind that key board Krang!!!!perhaps you can make it down to training camp this year & we can talk about it.... lil beeyatch!!!!
 

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Originally posted by bigdaddy_redbird
Real tough behind that key board Krang!!!!perhaps you can make it down to training camp this year & we can talk about it.... lil beeyatch!!!!

Is that a threat?

I'm not trying to do the immature physical violence thing, but you are resorting to the tactics.
 

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OK Guys enought of the cussing here. Skkorp already has stated that!! Everybody has there own opinions let it lie.
 

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just an invitation, since you seem to think that it's o.k. to call names 1200 miles away. I'll shorten the distance & will meet you in any parking lot in good ol Phoenix or flagstaff :thumbup:
 

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