Clippers get Zach Randolph from Knicks for Mobley, Thomas

[Cheesebeef]

You know looking at list of teams with cap space for 2010, PHX is not mentioned, considering Shaq, Nash, and Amare will be FA's. They could offer Amare the max as well, and we would be able to probably get another max player or 2 with Shaq accounting for 20MM and Nash for 11MM.

the best/biggest FA won't want to go to a franchise who a) has an owner who can't be trusted to putting winning over bottom line and b) a GM who has shown that he has no clue what he's doing especially considering that a ton of other teams are going to have cap room. You can cite JJ as an example of a MAX guy going somewhere under the circumstances I liad out as far as inept owner/GM but no one else could compete to get him because everyone else was maxed out on the cap.

without Colangelo, without a competent GM, without a bona-fide leader or a good solid core to build around this team will not be a FA destination for the best and the brightest no matter how much money we have to spend because a lot of team will have that money to spend and better pedigrees than we do.

 

[overseascardfan]

the best/biggest FA won't want to go to a franchise who a) has an owner who can't be trusted to putting winning over bottom line and b) a GM who has shown that he has no clue what he's doing especially considering that a ton of other teams are going to have cap room. You can cite JJ as an example of a MAX guy going somewhere under the circumstances I liad out as far as inept owner/GM but no one else could compete to get him because everyone else was maxed out on the cap.

without Colangelo, without a competent GM, without a bona-fide leader or a good solid core to build around this team will not be a FA destination for the best and the brightest no matter how much money we have to spend because a lot of team will have that money to spend and better pedigrees than we do.

I don't kow you see Baron Davis sign with the Clippers who have the worst owner in sports and fired Elgin Baylor so much for going with stability. Money talks, if we re-sign Nash and play well over the next couple of seasons then we could draw interest from FA's. Sarver's frugal but has shown he can spend, hopefully he realizes that he will need to pay big in '10 to rebuild this club. Other than selling draft picks which was the owner's decision, David Griffin has done a pretty good job in his role.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I don't kow you see Baron Davis sign with the Clippers who have the worst owner in sports and fired Elgin Baylor so much for going with stability. Money talks, if we re-sign Nash and play well over the next couple of seasons then we could draw interest from FA's.

Let me tell why Baron (like JJ) is a poor example of this. Baron wasn't going to be offered a contract by his own team (just like JJ wasn't going to get the MAX from us), he's from Los Angeles and thought he was going home (like JJ wanted to go closer to home) to play with one of his best friends Elton Brand AND there were only three teams with any cap room and none of them were good (just like with JJ). Again, there were reasons to lure Baron there BEYOND money. He's always wanted to go back home to LA, his own team didn't want him as opposed to other HUGE FA who we're depending upon ALL of which will not only be in high demand from everyone, but also in high demand from their own teams.

and re-signing Nash? Are you kidding? We're going to waste cap-space for Nash who will be 38 at that point? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a basketball standpoint or a financial standpoint.

Sarver's frugal but has shown he can spend, hopefully he realizes that he will need to pay big in '10 to rebuild this club. Other than selling draft picks which was the owner's decision, David Griffin has done a pretty good job in his role.

what role was that? Is it the draft because Strawberry's gone, Tucker's shown nothing and Dragic and Lopez are being benched in favor of undrafted rookies and career journeymen. I don't see much of anything good Griffin's done.

 

[mojorizen7]

Solid trades for DA's KNicks. They've just got to get rid of Marbury now.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Diaw for Thomas.

Damn that would be sweet

No way. I would rather have Diaw.

Now, Diaw for Camby? Um, yeah, I'd like that. It would balance out the Clips roster too.

 

[overseascardfan]

Let me tell why Baron (like JJ) is a poor example of this. Baron wasn't going to be offered a contract by his own team (just like JJ wasn't going to get the MAX from us), he's from Los Angeles and thought he was going home (like JJ wanted to go closer to home) to play with one of his best friends Elton Brand AND there were only three teams with any cap room and none of them were good (just like with JJ). Again, there were reasons to lure Baron there BEYOND money. He's always wanted to go back home to LA, his own team didn't want him as opposed to other HUGE FA who we're depending upon ALL of which will not only be in high demand from everyone, but also in high demand from their own teams.

and re-signing Nash? Are you kidding? We're going to waste cap-space for Nash who will be 38 at that point? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a basketball standpoint or a financial standpoint.



what role was that? Is it the draft because Strawberry's gone, Tucker's shown nothing and Dragic and Lopez are being benched in favor of undrafted rookies and career journeymen. I don't see much of anything good Griffin's done.

If he wanted to go home and it was more than about the money then why not sign with the Lakers who are a much better team and organization and still go home. I am sure Brand is a friend but he signed the contract after Brand left, he could have changed his mind so in the end it was about the money.

As for Griffin, Nash will not be re-signed to a large or outpriced contract. His playmaking style and his unselfishness will attract players. As for the draft, the selling of Fernandez, Rodriguez, Rondo was a financial move by Sarver. DJ was a gamble in the 2nd round that did not work out. There are many teams twhose draft picks do not pan out not just Griffin's. As for this year how many guys drafted after Lopez would really be helping us, maybe Arthur but Lopez's size was a need. In time Dragic and Lopez will be good players, not all rookies make instant impacts their rookie years.

 

[mojorizen7]

You can forget about doping the Knicks into taking bad contracts. Donnie Walsh knows what he is doing and he has his eyes set on 2010. They are going to be a very dangerous team

In the regular season.
Even IF they land LB James...somebody's gonna have to defend & rebound in order for them to win a title.

 

[leclerc]

As for the draft, the selling of Fernandez, Rodriguez, Rondo was a financial move by Sarver. DJ was a gamble in the 2nd round that did not work out. There are many teams twhose draft picks do not pan out not just Griffin's. As for this year how many guys drafted after Lopez would really be helping us, maybe Arthur but Lopez's size was a need. In time Dragic and Lopez will be good players, not all rookies make instant impacts their rookie years.

I hope Sarver and the front office will learn to use our pick in each years draft. Don't trade it. At least don't sell it. Having Fernandez or Rondo would be fantastic. Sure it's more expensive but every team needs a steady stream of young talent.

I don't like the way Porter's been benching Lopez and Dragic lately. Good to see Singletary getting PT but I want to see Lopez and Dragic on the court as well. Give them a few minutes in the first half of the game. Right now he's playing Nash and the starters too many minutes.

On topic: It will be interesting to see the new Knicks with Harrington and Tim Thomas. Hope we play them soon!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Solid trades for DA's KNicks. They've just got to get rid of Marbury now.

Not sure who does that.

 

[Cheesebeef]

If he wanted to go home and it was more than about the money then why not sign with the Lakers who are a much better team and organization and still go home.

a) it was about both money AND going home and b) the Lakers have had no interest in Baron for YEARS. They've had opportunities to get him which Kupchak turned down because of his injury problems... and they never offered him a contract.

I am sure Brand is a friend but he signed the contract after Brand left, he could have changed his mind so in the end it was about the money.

he could have changed his mind... and done what? Then he's a guy who his own team didn't want, is a guy who renegs on his word AND there's no one else in the league who has cap-room. He went to the Clippers because he's from LA, thought he was going to play with EB and then got screwed because EB reneged and there was nowhere left to go.

As for Griffin, Nash will not be re-signed to a large or outpriced contract. His playmaking style and his unselfishness will attract players.

a) he won't be re-signed and even if he was b) we'd have less money to sign the best FA out there. And Nash's playmaking and unselfishness didn't do jack to land Brent Barry, John Salmons, PJ Brown, Matt Harpring, etc. etc. It landed us an old, injury prone Grant Hill. That's really it in the last couple years since Nash and the team has started to slide.

As for the draft, the selling of Fernandez

they still took Tucker with a first rounder four picks later. Why not take Fernandez when you had the chance and unload JR. with the second first rounder?

, Rodriguez, Rondo was a financial move by Sarver.

agreed.

DJ was a gamble in the 2nd round that did not work out.

agreed.

There are many teams twhose draft picks do not pan out not just Griffin's.

agreed. so what we're not talking about other teams. You've said Griffin's done a pretty good job in his role. So far, you have one draft where it's been a complete bust (last year) and another draft (this year) where the guys have yet to show they're good players. You say in time "Lopez and Dragic" will be good players, but neither you, nor I can say that with any kind of certainty. You make the argument that rookies don't always make an impact and I agree with you but if they aren't making an impact how can they already be dubbed "good picks" which I would have to assume your dubbing them in order to say Griffin's done a "good job" because his other two picks were garbage. But even assuming you're right and those guys do end up being okay (which we have no idea of knowing), that's 1/2 on the draft. Not exactly a good job.

The only way we can know if he's done anything positive or a "good job" is if Dragic/Lopez pan out and since we're not at that point (or anywhere near it) I just don't see what your evidence is of him doing good at this point.

 

[dodie53]

i think this trade is still in limbo