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The fans in Montreal booed the US national anthem before the start of the game against the NY Islanders.
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It really makes no sense being more then 70% of the NY Islanders are canadians as well. Oh well, The Islanders jumped out to a 4-0 lead and ended up winning 5-3 so USA wins again.
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Tim
NY Islander fan also! (I think Gollin is too???)
Go Cards/ America!
Tim
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I just hope that we find the weapons of mass destuction and we show the world that Sadam was lying. Then tell every country and person that opposed us to kiss our a$$.
Heck, Montreal boos the Canadian anthem, too. Those are some weird people and not representative of all Canadians.
I also heard on another board that has a handful of Canadians that in Toronto the Anthem was met with thunderous applause (but that doesn't sell newspapers, I guess
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I also heard on another board that has a handful of Canadians that in Toronto the Anthem was met with thunderous applause (but that doesn't sell newspapers, I guess
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Last night at the NHL game in Atlanta the crowd booed the Canadian anthem - tit-for-tat. No big deal in eiither case... let's move on...
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And if you don't find them will you kiss their butts?
One way or another getting rid of that regime is one more small step on the road leading to the "meek finally inheriting the earth..."
Let's all just hope it's over soon with a minimum of casualties.
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Nope - Big time Devils fan.
Regarding the Canadian fans booing -
For what it's worth, it's reality - We may not agree with it, but it's the way a bunch of hockey fans north of the border feel about our policy toward Iraq. You can look at it three ways:
1. They're misguided fools.
2. They're right-on and have every right to make their sentiments known.
3. Our country may be right in its policy, but never did a good enough job of selling it to folks in Canada and other parts of the world on why it's been necessary to go in there. (i.e. the reasons may be self-evident to those who support this policy, but either the current administration didn't know how to state their case or they didn't consider it a high enough priority to do so).
Nope - Big time Devils fan.
Regarding the Canadian fans booing -
For what it's worth, it's reality - We may not agree with it, but it's the way a bunch of hockey fans north of the border feel about our policy toward Iraq. You can look at it three ways:
1. They're misguided fools.
2. They're right-on and have every right to make their sentiments known.
3. Our country may be right in its policy, but never did a good enough job of selling it to folks in Canada and other parts of the world on why it's been necessary to go in there. (i.e. the reasons may be self-evident to those who support this policy, but either the current administration didn't know how to state their case or they didn't consider it a high enough priority to do so).
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It's really being made too big of a deal. Really, who cares. Some fans at a hockey game are upset with a political situation and booed. Just expressing an opinion. When the war is over, this will all be water under the bridge. The Canadian government and people (in general) expressed some pretty strong anti-war sentiment all along so you can't expect them to be happy with the actions we've taken. But, you also don't have to give a crap what they think, I suppose.
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It's there French heritage....they like to piss on anything American....because they think we know everything and impose on them and everyone else anytime we please...it is good to be the king......
I wouldn't say
The French like to piss on everything American. Without the French, there wouldn't be an America...at least one that wasn't a province of England. We would have lost the war for independence without their help.
The Statue of Liberty was made by France.
This whole posturing over Iraq has less to do with us and more to do with the fact that the French get most of their oil from Iraq.
The French like to piss on everything American. Without the French, there wouldn't be an America...at least one that wasn't a province of England. We would have lost the war for independence without their help.
The Statue of Liberty was made by France.
This whole posturing over Iraq has less to do with us and more to do with the fact that the French get most of their oil from Iraq.
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The French of today are not the French of yesterday.
The French of today are not the French of yesterday.
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The point is, there are only two types of governments that require 100% of the people to be in agreement on political issues and that's complete communism or complete fascism, so I don't know why some people get so bent out of shape about protestors or people booing America. It's a symptom of a healthy, functioning democracy.
If 100% of the people in this country ever agree on anything politically, run for the f*kin' hills because that means we're living in Nazi Germany.
If 100% of the people in this country ever agree on anything politically, run for the f*kin' hills because that means we're living in Nazi Germany.
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Sticks and stones can break my bones but booing can never hurt me!
Who gives a flying monkey turd about booing? Maybe Jake Plummer, but other than that? Who?
Who gives a flying monkey turd about booing? Maybe Jake Plummer, but other than that? Who?
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This thing will do a big 180, IF, yes, IF, we kill very few civilians and the vast majority of Iraq is happy Saddam is gone. I mean, how the heck will the French, and others, look then? What could they say to the Iraqi people? "We were totally against a war that gained your freedom, but we guess it wasn't such a bad idea after all."
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Originally posted by Rats
It's there French heritage....they like to piss on anything American....because they think we know everything and impose on them and everyone else anytime we please...it is good to be the king......
RATS... I can tell you that French-Canadian enmity towards France is historic - and hardly compares to the recent misgivings about the Iraq question.
The history of French Canada is marked by a deep sense of having been abandoned by France at the time of the British conquest. And I should add that "Les Quebecoise" love America, love Americans, and frankly, don't have much use for their English speaking conpatriots.
They are in a phrase - the most European of North Americans, and the most American of Americans given that they are the first European colonizers on the continent.
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I should not respond to this but let me just say that "Les Quebecoise" love America(more precisely the USA)for only one reason. They can come here and invest there Canadian Dollars in our Real Estate get a better return then go back and buy things there with American money. They still feel it is pearls before swine...us being the swine...I have several business partners that are just this way...and have spoken with a couple of "weekenders" in Miami who gave two $hats for the Americans just felt that 90 degrees beat 10 in January. So keep your opinions and your historic significance in check ...they do not represent todays French Canadian "colonizers"
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I started this post to state the fact. What it means is debateable. I was in Canada several months before the war and the anti-americanism was palpable. This event was just a "symptom" of the current state of affairs in the world. Peaceful protest is a good thing, a very good thing, but when it occurs it must be determined "why", no?
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Peaceful protest is a good thing, a very good thing, but when it occurs it must be determined "why", no?
Well put - I had been trying in vain to put what you said into words.
A couple of adjacent thoughts:
1. I'm proud of our troops and pray each day for their safety. (The protests shouldn't be about them).
2. I'm not a pacifist, and blanket objections against EVER going into battle to defend ourselves make me cringe.
3. But the Iraqui invasion seemed a a foregone conclusion and little bit too predetermined (like a "wind-up doll you can't turn off"). I don't think it would have hurt us to continue the diplomatic effort and enter into "real & genuine" deliberation and debate over whether we had to go to war.
4. Most important - Both peace protesters and pro-invasion advocates should avoid the arrogance of feeling they have all the answers - because they don't. It's a judgement call.
(My only concern is whether it not it truly was a legitimate "judgement call" by our administration based on all the pros and cons - or whether they just decided to bull ahead with it anyway. I imagine we'll know better after the events are played out in the weeks, months or years ahead).
Well put - I had been trying in vain to put what you said into words.
A couple of adjacent thoughts:
1. I'm proud of our troops and pray each day for their safety. (The protests shouldn't be about them).
2. I'm not a pacifist, and blanket objections against EVER going into battle to defend ourselves make me cringe.
3. But the Iraqui invasion seemed a a foregone conclusion and little bit too predetermined (like a "wind-up doll you can't turn off"). I don't think it would have hurt us to continue the diplomatic effort and enter into "real & genuine" deliberation and debate over whether we had to go to war.
4. Most important - Both peace protesters and pro-invasion advocates should avoid the arrogance of feeling they have all the answers - because they don't. It's a judgement call.
(My only concern is whether it not it truly was a legitimate "judgement call" by our administration based on all the pros and cons - or whether they just decided to bull ahead with it anyway. I imagine we'll know better after the events are played out in the weeks, months or years ahead).
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And on the other side of the coin: There wouldn't be a France without the Ubited States, at least not one that wasn't a territory of Germany. They would have lost WWII (along with the rest of Europe) without our involvement.
I know that's a tired statement, but I'm surprised it went unsaid after this post. I don't expect France to be our lapdog because we saved their bacon, but I would hope for a little more respect from their government officials--at least publicly.
And on the other side of the coin: There wouldn't be a France without the Ubited States, at least not one that wasn't a territory of Germany. They would have lost WWII (along with the rest of Europe) without our involvement.
I know that's a tired statement, but I'm surprised it went unsaid after this post. I don't expect France to be our lapdog because we saved their bacon, but I would hope for a little more respect from their government officials--at least publicly.
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With respect, I'm of French Canadian heritage. My father and mother's families arrived on the shore of the St-Lawrence in the 16th. century. So, don't you be telling me what the hell we think or feel about America and about Americans.... We have no problem with them, you evidently have a problem with us...
Originally posted by Pariah
Heck, Montreal boos the Canadian anthem, too. Those are some weird people and not representative of all Canadians.
I also heard on another board that has a handful of Canadians that in Toronto the Anthem was met with thunderous applause (but that doesn't sell newspapers, I guess
Canada also did not kick out Saddam's foreign embassy staff which is their right. As these staffs often have intelligence people as part of the staff I do worry about that as they can easily cross the border. Diplomatic pouches coming into these embassies cannot be opened or inspected and you could easily put all sorts of bio stuff in one. Other countries such as France did the same thing but they are not on our border. Soon enough these guys want have anyone to represent.
at least they are not killing each other like the soccer fans in Europe.
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Right. And there wouldn't be a USA without France. Don't be so selective in your history. Without France's support the American colonies would not have broken away from England at the time that they did.
One can only hope that two countries, two peoples so intertwined in history can work out their present differences.
Right. And there wouldn't be a USA without France. Don't be so selective in your history. Without France's support the American colonies would not have broken away from England at the time that they did.
One can only hope that two countries, two peoples so intertwined in history can work out their present differences.
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History has shown time and time again that appeasement does not work. The tyrant or dictator only grows stronger if left alone. As far as the Canadian government goes, they've clearly delineated how they feel about us. And I could care a fig what they or any other government about our role in Iraq. After all, they are not the targets we are.
