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[Northern Card]

Originally posted by john h
Canada also did not kick out Saddam's foreign embassy staff which is their right. As these staffs often have intelligence people as part of the staff I do worry about that as they can easily cross the border. Diplomatic pouches coming into these embassies cannot be opened or inspected and you could easily put all sorts of bio stuff in one. Other countries such as France did the same thing but they are not on our border. Soon enough these guys want have anyone to represent.

John, the Iraqi Embassy, which is a three minute walk from my home, was also open during the first Gulf War. You can rest assured that all staff is monitored by our security services.

And, under International Law, diplomatic pouches are not immune to search if it's believed that the contents is in furtherance of an illegal act

 

[Pariah]

Re: Re: Re: I wouldn't say

Originally posted by Northern Card
Right. And there wouldn't be a USA without France. Don't be so selective in your history.

How am I being "selective in my history?" I included the quote from Chris Sanders about France's hand in our development.

 

[Northern Card]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I wouldn't say

Originally posted by Pariah
How am I being "selective in my history?" I included the quote from Chris Sanders about France's hand in our development.

Oops!!! Sorry. I missed the sequence...

 

[AZCB34]

Re: Re: Re: I wouldn't say

Originally posted by Northern Card
Right. And there wouldn't be a USA without France. Don't be so selective in your history. Without France's support the American colonies would not have broken away from England at the time that they did.

One can only hope that two countries, two peoples so intertwined in history can work out their present differences.

I don't pretend to know how the Canadians feel about the US but I personally believe this event is a hiccup in our relationship with Canada and will be water under the bridge when all is said and done. Britain on the other hand, will have a real issue within the EU when this is all over IMO and this event has severely strained the relationships within the EU...maybe beyond fixing.

I have no problem if Canada doesn't support us during this...that is their perogotive (sp?) but I do think it is bush league they boo'd during the US anthem...and even more bush league that fans in Atlanta boo'd the Canadian one in retaliation. Just infantile stuff IMO.

 

[john h]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I wouldn't say

Originally posted by AZCB34
I don't pretend to know how the Canadians feel about the US but I personally believe this event is a hiccup in our relationship with Canada and will be water under the bridge when all is said and done. Britain on the other hand, will have a real issue within the EU when this is all over IMO and this event has severely strained the relationships within the EU...maybe beyond fixing.

I have no problem if Canada doesn't support us during this...that is their perogotive (sp?) but I do think it is bush league they boo'd during the US anthem...and even more bush league that fans in Atlanta boo'd the Canadian one in retaliation. Just infantile stuff IMO.

problem is when you hear booing you never know how many or who is doing the booing. If the whole stadium is booing it is one thing but if a few are booing it just may be a bunch of drunk fools. My uncle enlisted in the Canadian Army in 1941 before the U.S. got into WWII and was killed in action in 1942. Tony Blair's poll numbers had jumped to 57% approval yesterday. After all is said and done the Canadians,English, and Americans have something very much in common and if someone would wish to destroy one of us in the end they would want to destroy all of us. We are joined at the hip where we like it or not.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Northern Card
With respect, I'm of French Canadian heritage. My father and mother's families arrived on the shore of the St-Lawrence in the 16th. century. So, don't you be telling me what the hell we think or feel about America and about Americans.... We have no problem with them, you evidently have a problem with us...

Northern Card I appreciate the candidness with which you respond and also with respect to your heritage...you are obviously proud...however since there are no gray areas here now, I will say that The French decendants that now reside in Canada...have no allegiance to anyone...they were bastards the day they got off the ship....they have however done very well for themselves and are to be commended. Saying this, we as American decendants are also bastards the day we lifted the colors and broke from our British heritage. WE share a common border similar economys yet it is always left to the USA to take the lead in matters of Foreign Affairs. The Canadians are still trying to decide which language to speak...and whom it was that robbed them of there olympic medals....we should not have to fight each other with words when it comes to our countries but I do not see Americans moving to Canada for the climate and the State sponsored Medical Coverage...I do however see Canadians French and non French alike....decending into our Country because we have much more to offer. I'm sorry if this offends you and you personally may not have a problem with Us Ugly Americans but it is my opinion that the vast numbers of French Canadians do...no poll just my opinion...so ignore it

 

[Pariah]

That was pretty ugly--and arrogant, Rats. America has a lot of problems, too and we are certainly not above reproach.

NorthernCard, I hope you can see beyond blowhards like Rats and not make generalizations about Americans.

 

[Rats]

Originally posted by Pariah
That was pretty ugly--and arrogant, Rats. America has a lot of problems, too and we are certainly not above reproach.

NorthernCard, I hope you can see beyond blowhards like Rats and not make generalizations about Americans.

Well someone has to be one ...but seriously I see it time and again where other nations send there children here to get an education, then take our childrens jobs. And still others in Third World countries use our education system to there advantage then end up hateing our culture and teaching others in there country to do the same. I think Americas problem is that we try to be all things to all peoples and we do a poor job of it because of our own selfish interests. And to defend my statement ...I said we are bastards also...

 

[sLanidRaC]

Ummmmmmmmm.....

If I wanted "World News", I'd go look for it. I'm here for Card news..

Where do the Cards fit in, in all this Horsecrap?

Just as I suspected... Take it outside...

P&Q

 

[Alan]

Re: Ummmmmmmmm.....

Originally posted by sLanidRaC
If I wanted "World News", I'd go look for it. I'm here for Card news..

Then don't click on the thread if you don't want to read it. Did you really think CNN was reporting that MarTay Jenkins was unhappy with the Cardinals last offer?

 

[Houdini]

Re: Ummmmmmmmm.....

Originally posted by sLanidRaC


...Where do the Cards fit in, in all this Horsecrap?...

Maybe the Cards fit in with the article below if the Cardinals were planning on sending any players to play in NFL Europe. They are debating if the league's season should be canceled because of the war. I haven't kept up with as much football news lately with the war going on.

http://www.jsonline.com/packer/ap/mar03/ap-fbn-nfl-meeting032303.asp

 

[Shane]

Re: Re: Ummmmmmmmm.....

Originally posted by Alan
Then don't click on the thread if you don't want to read it. Did you really think CNN was reporting that MarTay Jenkins was unhappy with the Cardinals last offer?

I personally dont mind but I must disagree Alan.

You guys as moderators should be moving threads to the appropriate boards and ask your posters to put threads where they are appropriate. JMO!

 

[Rats]

I apologize.....

this was definetly not the proper forum for this discussion...I stated that I should not have responded to this in an earlier post...I also think I over did it a bit what with the media fanning the flames of French and Canadian resentment...and I also stated that I have issues...so again...we should keep it lighter and focused on the Cards............

 

[Ed B]

I wonder if the world political situation puts the NFL Europe season in jeopardy. Anti-american sentiment in Germany (where 3 of the 6 teams play) is at an all-time high.

 

[Northern Card]

In passing - I should point out that the most recent polling done in Canada on the issue of IRAQ, showed that 52% agreed with the US position on the issue. To my mind, this speaks to the gagging lack of leadership we've had from our government on this mattter.

It is the first time that the U.S., Britain, Canada and Australia have not seen service together when one or more has been threatened. This fact disgusts me to no end.

That said; all should know that we do still have 3 Frigates and a Destroyer in the Persian Gulf on duty against terrorism, and we've committed 2000 infantry to a second tour of duty in Afghanistan in the Spring.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by Rats
Northern Card I appreciate the candidness with which you respond and also with respect to your heritage...you are obviously proud...however since there are no gray areas here now, I will say that The French decendants that now reside in Canada...have no allegiance to anyone...they were bastards the day they got off the ship....they have however done very well for themselves and are to be commended. Saying this, we as American decendants are also bastards the day we lifted the colors and broke from our British heritage. WE share a common border similar economys yet it is always left to the USA to take the lead in matters of Foreign Affairs. The Canadians are still trying to decide which language to speak...and whom it was that robbed them of there olympic medals....we should not have to fight each other with words when it comes to our countries but I do not see Americans moving to Canada for the climate and the State sponsored Medical Coverage...I do however see Canadians French and non French alike....decending into our Country because we have much more to offer. I'm sorry if this offends you and you personally may not have a problem with Us Ugly Americans but it is my opinion that the vast numbers of French Canadians do...no poll just my opinion...so ignore it

FYI - We are not trying to decide what language to speak. We are an officially bilingual country and over 30% of our population speaks both. We see it as an advantage. As an old Swiss joke goes: "Everyone in the Village speaks 4 languages, except the Village idiot he only speaks two."

P.S. - the U.S. may want to pay attention to how we've accomodated this fact because you are going to be under enormous growing demands for services in Spanish in the years to come.

 

[Pariah]

Actually, while Canada may be "officially" a two-language nation, the United States doesn't have an "official" language and is becoming more and more accomodating to Spanish as the demand is raised.

I'm not sure what your point is on this subject, or how it relates to anything we've been discussing.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by Pariah
Actually, while Canada may be "officially" a two-language nation, the United States doesn't have an "official" language and is becoming more and more accomodating to Spanish as the demand is raised.

I'm not sure what your point is on this subject, or how it relates to anything we've been discussing.

I was specifically responding to his point that we (in Canada) are trying to decide which language to speak... as for your point about "not having an official language in the States, I hope you'll be able to manage it over time with simple accommodation. We found that it simply didn't work in actual application. All of our citizens have a right to Federal - Provincial services, and in some cases municipal, in the official language of their choice.

 

[Pariah]

Most everything, certainly everything offered by the government, is available in Spanish. I believe that's the case with the Federal government, but it is most certainly the case with the Colorado state and Denver city governments.

The United States has been accomodating other languages since its inception--we're built upon diversity and the creation of an "official" language would be a step away from that.

 

[Northern Card]

Originally posted by Pariah
Most everything, certainly everything offered by the government, is available in Spanish. I believe that's the case with the Federal government, but it is most certainly the case with the Colorado state and Denver city governments.

The United States has been accomodating other languages since its inception--we're built upon diversity and the creation of an "official" language would be a step away from that.

Thanks again. One final point.

Goodwill, can obviously go a long way.

We have a historic understanding of having been founded by two peoples - the French and the English. As such, it was necessary for very real political reasons to put forward our linguistic duality response.

To a degree our approach was dictated by the lack of accomodation by the English majority.

 

[sLanidRaC]

Rebut....

As a matter of fact, I did first think, "What the he** could CNN have to say about the Cards". I soon found it to be a debate over harsh treatment of some American hockey players, I believe it was, by a Canadian crowd.
Personally, I couldn't care less. Let them boo all the way to the brewery, while most, if not all, of their best players live and play in the States. Thats bound to cause a little "friction" up North. An being combined with other worldly affairs of recent and present time... Well, you know.
I understand that you might have wanted to insure that your "buds" at the Card forum would find and have a chance to make an opinion on the matter. Maybe you had deemed it something they might like to know or atleast see. Perhaps, you were caught in a posting error. I don't know.
I also realize, I could have just, "changed the channel", so to speak. Unfortunately, at the time, I was of the mind to rebuke the legitimacy of the placement and content.
Card fans, tend to be full of "piss an vinegar". Overly used to the bitter taste of defeat, yet able to buck up an drink it again next Sunday. Some may call that stupidity, I like to think of it as the existence of good ole fashioned Backbone. "Till death us do part", if you will. Death of whom, the Franchise or me, is yet to rear its ugly head.
I mean you no ill will, an am sorry if I had gotten you rattled.
At this time, I bid you ado.
Happy canook hunting. :wink: An may all your Christmas' be Red.
Respectfully,
Jason/sLanidRaC/KiLRuvMen/TaRgeT_28


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