Colangelo has received purchase offer

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Per AZrepublic and radio

Casino Fortune, an internet gambling company (Casinofortune.com), has sent a letter of intent to Colangelo and contacted Lehman Brothers to discuss purchasing the Suns.

Apparently this company does not run a sports book so they are able to purchase the team, the Maloof brothers who own the Palm's Casino in Vegas have the precident on this sort of thing.

I guess they (the Colangelos) are not taking the offer seriously, but word is Casino Fortune is very motivated to buy the team and are prepared to out bid anyone else who enters the picture.....
 

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Do they have deep pockets?

Casino sounds like they would like to have a team in Las Vegas and a gambling company isn't exactly why I would be looking at.

Why not Bill Gates or Donald Trump? ;)
 
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The guy on KFYI radio today said they are the 3rd largest internet casino. I don't know if this is in the United States or all over the world. So you can speculate all you want about how much that equates into liquid cash.
 

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Never happen. Not in a million years.

1) Jerry would never sell to a company that might move the team.

2) The NBA would NEVER approve the purchase by a casino company. Never.
 

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Why not Bill Gates or Donald Trump?

Because those guys invest money in order to make money, not for the giggle of owning a sports franchise. Sports franchises aren't very good as financial investments, unless it's something with a huge fan base like a New York team or the Dallas Cowboys or something like that.

Is Mark Cuban making money on the Mavericks? No, but he doesn't care, because he's doing it for fun. You won't get the same priorities from a Gates or a Trump.
 
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slinslin said:
Do they have deep pockets?

Casino sounds like they would like to have a team in Las Vegas and a gambling company isn't exactly why I would be looking at.

Why not Bill Gates or Donald Trump? ;)
They are unaffiliated with Las Vegas....I looked them up and they are based in Trinidad and Tobago, they are not even a United States company, but the US represents 70% of their business
 
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Chaplin said:
2) The NBA would NEVER approve the purchase by a casino company. Never.
The Maloof Bros own the Palm's Casino in Vegas and they own the Kings
 

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Ryanwb said:
The Maloof Bros own the Palm's Casino in Vegas and they own the Kings

They didn't own the casino when they acquired the team though. If they did, then I would almost guarantee that the NBA would nix the sale.
 
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Chaplin said:
They didn't own the casino when they acquired the team though. If they did, then I would almost guarantee that the NBA would nix the sale.
Most of their family fortune was made with gambling...I watched their Biography on A&E :)
 
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http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1006/114_print.html
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1006/114_print.htmlMaloof sold the Fiesta in 2001 to gaming conglomerate Station Casinos for $180 million. He used the proceeds to build the Palms. His dream: creating a casino that would attract locals and indulge his other passion--the bachelor lifehttp://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1006/114_print.html
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/1006/114_print.html

In the '80's they started a Casino called "The Fiesta" that was geared towards locals...never heard of it
 

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In 1998 the Maloofs purchased a minority part of the Kings I think. In 1999 they bought the entire team.
 
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slinslin said:
In 1998 the Maloofs purchased a minority part of the Kings I think. In 1999 they bought the entire team.

It's only been that long? Wow, it seems like it's been a long time. My mistake then.
 

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Casino Fortune also said that if new jersey moves to brooklyn then they would move the suns to new jersey....i am quite certain that colangelo will not sell to these guys.
 
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offset said:
Casino Fortune also said that if new jersey moves to brooklyn then they would move the suns to new jersey....i am quite certain that colangelo will not sell to these guys.
That would be a real ******
....also would mean that the team with the longest tenure in the Valley would be the....gulp....Cardinals :D
 

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elindholm said:
Is Mark Cuban making money on the Mavericks? No, but he doesn't care, because he's doing it for fun. You won't get the same priorities from a Gates or a Trump.

Uhh...yes he is. He is making a large profit on the Mavericks. There was a big thing on ESPN a month ago about Cuban.

He is selling out his games so he is getting that money as well as a huge windfall from merchandise, advertising, and concessions.
 
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Chris_Sanders said:
Uhh...yes he is. He is making a large profit on the Mavericks. There was a big thing on ESPN a month ago about Cuban.

He is selling out his games so he is getting that money as well as a huge windfall from merchandise, advertising, and concessions.
Here is the only info I could find about Cuban from Forbes

Cuban has increased his stake in the Mavericks and reportedly now owns more than 80% of the team. According to the annual Forbes magazine survey of professional sports franchises, the Mavs are now worth $304 million, up 44% from 2002; the average appreciation for an NBA team last year was 13%. Forbes estimates the team's revenue was $105 million last year, with operating income of $3.2 million. The Mavericks organization does not discuss its finances, says Cuban.
 

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Forbes estimates the team's revenue was $105 million last year, with operating income of $3.2 million.

Since their player payroll alone is about $80 million, that doesn't leave a lot of room for profit. Figure all of their office and travel expenses, coaching and administrative salaries, and likely luxury tax this season, and I rather doubt they're making much of a profit at all. Even if somehow they are squeaking into the black, it's certainly less profit than Cuban could have made investing the $300 million or whatever in some more conventional way.
 

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elindholm said:
Even if somehow they are squeaking into the black, it's certainly less profit than Cuban could have made investing the $300 million or whatever in some more conventional way.

Did you see the part where he made 44% in capital gains last year?

If you have some sort of 'conventional' way to get that kind of return, we'd all like to hear about it. :D
 

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Did you see the part where he made 44% in capital gains last year?

If you have some sort of 'conventional' way to get that kind of return, we'd all like to hear about it. :D

Well, he didn't actually make that, since he only realizes the return when he sells the team. Otherwise, its probably a wash as a cash flow vehicle. Just paper profits for now.

Doesn't the lease the Suns have for AWA with the City of Phoenix preclude them from moving to another city? I believe that is correct. Also, JC has a separate company that manages AWA. He's his own client, so to speak. It wouldn't make financial sense at all for him to sell the team to someone who intends to move it.

BTW, while we're not selling out completely, what idiot would consider moving a team to New Jersey (with a dismal gate and a winning team) a positive move?
 

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Casino Fortune can go screw themselves. I'd bet my last penny JC told them to take a hike.
 

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I looked for an article about this on Azcentral.com

Couldn't find anything, anyone else see a copy of it (I dont get the real paper)
 

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From the Republic:

Owning Suns interests Web gambling site
Hey, Hall of Famer Jerry Colangelo says he wants to sell the Suns, and if he thought Charles Barkley was an unlikely suitor listen to this:

Casino Fortune, an internet gambling company (Casinofortune.com), has sent a letter of intent to Colangelo and contacted Lehman Brothers to discuss purchasing the team.

Suns spokeswoman Julie Fie said there is bound to be a lot of speculation regarding the sale, but team officials won't comment.

Our club spies tell us the team isn't taking the Casino Fortune offer seriously at this point.

But Kevin Mercuri, a spokesman for Casino Fortune, assures us that the company is very serious about its offer.

"Right now, this is about who has the wherewithal to buy an NBA team," he said. "We've been thinking about it for a long time, longer than you might think.

"It was part of our business plan long ago, and in light of that, we never engaged in sports betting so there is no conflict of interest."

Mercuri points out that a precedent exists for such an ownership arrangement. Joe and Gavin Maloof, who own the Palms Casino in Las Vegas, also own the Sacramento Kings.

"They don't have sports books, so they don't have a conflict," Mercuri said.

Internet gambling is a $6.3 billion a year business, according to Mercuri. Casino Fortune, which has been around almost eight years, is the oldest operating internet gambling business and the third largest such operation.

"Almost 70 percent of our clientele is American," he said. "For all intents and purposes, we are an American company - although most attorneys general don't see it that way."

That would include Arizona's. We are among the eight states which have specific laws on the books prohibiting internet gambling.

Mercuri said a recent opinion by the World Trade Organization that attempts to suppress online gambling is a violation of trade pacts the United States has signed and "emboldened" the company to approach Colangelo.

Now, we might sniff at this and assume that Colangelo will dismiss the idea.

But Colangelo has been searching for an investor who will buy in now with the option to purchase a controlling interest at a future date.

"We'd be amenable to that," Mercuri said. "Jerry has had almost 40 years service in this area. He's definitely an asset that should not be discarded.

"As a matter of fact, we'd probably like that. To start from scratch when you have such a valuable resource already there would be foolish if not foolhardy."
 

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Thanks Chap,

Very interesting. Where did you guys get the part about moving to NJ?? It sounded from this article he wanted to keep the suns in the valley, at least from the way he talked about JC.

Don't really like the idea of a non american gambling company owning the suns though :shrug:
 

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