College Football vs. Professional Football

[cardpa]

If the NFL heads in that direction ,then you would expect to see a fair number of college coaches getting hired into the NFL as they know how to run those offenses.

 

[pinetopred]

Basically that is what I was trying to say Jeff. The NFL has to follow college because that is where their work force comes from. The last decade, the NFL hasn't been able to make the current college philosophy work at the NFL. But, overall, it is inevitable. Brady, Big Ben, etc, these classic NFL QBs, are slowly going extinct.

The problem is how do thsee college offenses work at the NFL level sure parts will, but the college game is about isolating speed against less athletic guys. The nfl doesn't have those mismatches very often, these are the best athletes in the world I just don't see it working full blown at the nfl level. JMO

 

[GuernseyCard]

The problem is how do thsee college offenses work at the NFL level sure parts will, but the college game is about isolating speed against less athletic guys. The nfl doesn't have those mismatches very often, these are the best athletes in the world I just don't see it working full blown at the nfl level. JMO

These are some of the best American athletes playing a highly specialized sport.

 

[pinetopred]

These are some of the best American athletes playing a highly specialized sport.

I stand by my statement if your a great American athlete playing at the highest level your one of of the best athletes in the world. All sports are specialized don't get why you you would think any different.

 

[GuernseyCard]

I stand by my statement if your a great American athlete playing at the highest level your one of of the best athletes in the world. All sports are specialized don't get why you you would think any different.

Had I read 'amongst' the greatest in your earlier post, I wouldn't have responded.

 

[kerouac9]

If the NFL heads in that direction ,then you would expect to see a fair number of college coaches getting hired into the NFL as they know how to run those offenses.

Maybe as coordinators, but the college HC position is more administrative and closer to a CEO than a pro head coach.

College HCs do some coaching on the field, but most of their time is spent recruiting and shmoozing boosters for money.

And positioning themselves for jobs at bigger programs.

 

[pinetopred]

Had I read 'amongst' the greatest in your earlier post, I wouldn't have responded.

Sorry I really don't care I'll try to reword things so I don't offend in the future my bad

 

[cardpa]

Maybe as coordinators, but the college HC position is more administrative and closer to a CEO than a pro head coach.

College HCs do some coaching on the field, but most of their time is spent recruiting and shmoozing boosters for money.

And positioning themselves for jobs at bigger programs.

That's really what I was referring to, OCs, position coaches etc. I agree HCs in college are cheerleaders, game managers, and recruiters. That's what Franklin is at Penn State a top notch recruiter and a pedestrian coach. He has himself surrounded with a good OC and DC and position coaches. He has actually blown some games by being a terrible game manager at times but he knows how to schmooze the kids and parents.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

They have equal time to prepare and thus it comes down to execution.

I do not think that is true.

The players coming up through highschool and college football play in spread offenses/shotgun offenses for at least 8 years before going to the NFL, and then that offseason have a couple months to learn different techniques and philosophies.

So, comparing a couple months to a couple years, is not the same amount of time to prepare. At least that is the way I see it.

 

[kerouac9]

I do not think that is true.

The players coming up through highschool and college football play in spread offenses/shotgun offenses for at least 8 years before going to the NFL, and then that offseason have a couple months to learn different techniques and philosophies.

So, comparing a couple months to a couple years, is not the same amount of time to prepare. At least that is the way I see it.

I wonder if there isn't just too much complexity in an NFL playbook, and it's just the stultifying inertia of the pro game that's causing it, with little benefit. Sean McVay seemed to have hacked the system by basically telling Goff what to do before his mic was turned off.

It's obviously easier on the coach if their rube-goldberg plays have a theoretical answer for every problem that the defense presents, but if the guy under center can't execute it (or the guys on the outside), it doesn't really matter.

The college game seems to have figured out that if you get 7 yards per pass play, and 5 yards per run play, 7 > 5 every time. I don't like college games because they feel too long and defenses are bad, but it's difficult to think that this math isn't going to move up to the pro level at some point.

 

[TJ]

This story is not going away, and is just getting bigger and bigger.

I have had a few soap box rants about how from college football down, is almost a completely different game than pro football.

Here is Bruce Arians (who better to use as a reference? ) on how offensive line play coming out college is producing talent that has no idea how to play the NFL game.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/02/25/nfl-combine-notes-cleveland-browns-la-rams

In high school and college, you can dominate the game using sheer talent and physicality. In the NFL, you have to have these traits and be a true student of the game.

Nkemdiche is a prime example. He was a dominant force out of Ole Miss because he was supremely athletic, but didn't quite understand the complexities of the NFL and likely still doesn't to this day. It's more important than ever to study playbooks, take constructive feedback from coaches, and practice hard everyday.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

In high school and college, you can dominate the game using sheer talent and physicality. In the NFL, you have to have these traits and be a true student of the game.

Nkemdiche is a prime example. He was a dominant force out of Ole Miss because he was supremely athletic, but didn't quite understand the complexities of the NFL and likely still doesn't to this day. It's more important than ever to study playbooks, take constructive feedback from coaches, and practice hard everyday.

Good post for any professional.

 

[kerouac9]

In high school and college, you can dominate the game using sheer talent and physicality. In the NFL, you have to have these traits and be a true student of the game.

Nkemdiche is a prime example. He was a dominant force out of Ole Miss because he was supremely athletic, but didn't quite understand the complexities of the NFL and likely still doesn't to this day. It's more important than ever to study playbooks, take constructive feedback from coaches, and practice hard everyday.

I actually don't think he was a "dominant force out of Ole Miss." Here are some samples from his draft profiles:

"For all the talent and athletic traits, his production was disappointing. Produced low tackle totals and just 6.5 sacks over three years" -- NFL.com

"Nkemdiche had big games against Alabama and Mississippi State, but also had a number of games where he did very little while going against offensive linemen he should have dominated. Nkemdiche seemed to start games well before getting worn down and disappearing. His conditioning looked sub-par." -- Walter Football

Similar reports were out there about D.J. Humphries. Keim historically has been willing to roll the dice on elite physical prospects whose college production didn't necessarily match up.

I think that the NFL can harness the instincts of the best players and let them play without thinking, but you have to earn that by being a student of the game — particularly on defense. There are a lot of examples of guys like Corderelle Patterson who were exceptional physical players who immediately produced but couldn't respond when opponents took away what they did best.