Colts | Clean House

[sportznutt]

Polians, coaches, gone.

 

[Shane]

Nfl network just saying Polian not coaches as of yet

 

[sportznutt]

Colts fired president Bill Polian, GM Chris Polian, and their entire front office.

Jim Caldwell and his coaching staff will also be fired once owner Jim Irsay decides on new management. The Polians had lived off Peyton Manning for several years in Indianapolis, failing to upgrade a collapsing, aging offensive line and providing Manning with zero running game threat. The wheels fell off quickly when Manning got injured because the Colts had no way to generate ball movement on offense and their defense has always stunk. The Polians also completely whiffed on at least two of their last three first-round picks (Anthony Gonzalez, Jerry Hughes) entering 2011, and the other (Donald Brown) is a backup-caliber running back. It's time to start over.

rotoworld

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Bring Polian in NOW! BYE GRAVES!

 

[THESMEL]

agree

That is what happens when you play 1 player that much! you Must downgrade every other position! for years.

Polian would upgrade Graves by a mountain.

Bring Polian in NOW! BYE GRAVES!

 

[Renz]

It's time for Polian to retire. I don't want him for my team. Look at Indianapolis's drafts the last 5-6 years. Terrible.

 

[PJ1]

Why would Polian be an upgrade? We have no Peyton Manning here.

 

[HoodieBets]

Bring polian in asap, the draft record is not the gm that's on the scouts...the gm only goes by the information the scouts gives him he's not the one out there scouting. GM is responible for contracts, FA and staffing.

 

[Shane]

Bring polian in asap, the draft record is not the gm that's on the scouts...the gm only goes by the information the scouts gives him he's not the one out there scouting. GM is responible for contracts, FA and staffing.

Why does this board always give Graves the business then on bad draft picks if this is the case?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Why would Polian be an upgrade? We have no Peyton Manning here.

Are you serious? Is Polian an upgrade over Rod Graves? That may be THE most..... hell I don't even know what to call it. Polian has been a 5 time NFL Executive of the year. Graves hasn't had 5 winning seasons. That'd be like asking is Albert Pujols an upgrade over Brandon Allen?

 

[Shane]

Are you serious? Is Polian an upgrade over Rod Graves? That may be THE most..... hell I don't even know what to call it. Polian has been a 5 time NFL Executive of the year. Graves hasn't had 5 winning seasons.

Agree to a point. But lets not kid ourselves. He has had the luxury of having the best QB in the last 2 decades(save Tom Brady) playing for him. Not hard to do when you got a Peyton manning under center.

 

[Buckybird]

Polians, coaches, gone.

Mannings next!!! Nobodys paying him $25mil/year & not knowing his future in the NFL even exists

Nfl network just saying Polian not coaches as of yet

From what I heard on Sirius, it's a clean sweep

Bring Polian in NOW! BYE GRAVES!

We all know thats not even reality

Bring polian in asap, the draft record is not the gm that's on the scouts...the gm only goes by the information the scouts gives him he's not the one out there scouting. GM is responible for contracts, FA and staffing.

I have a strong supiscion, his son was more of the bad apple in those drafts, living off Daddys name & Mannings injury just drain any hope of winning throughout the lockerrom!

 

[WarnerHOF]

Are you serious? Is Polian an upgrade over Rod Graves? That may be THE most..... hell I don't even know what to call it. Polian has been a 5 time NFL Executive of the year. Graves hasn't had 5 winning seasons.

Considering the Colts are full of late round and undrafted outcasts, I'm not sure he is even on Graves' level?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Agree to a point. But lets not kid ourselves. He has had the luxury of having the best QB in the last 2 decades playing for him. Not hard to do when you got a Peyton manning under center.

What about the Bills team he built?

I have to admit, I never thought I'd be comparing the merits of Rod Graves to Bill Polian and people trying to support Graves, even the least bit. They don't make a Kool-aid strong enough.

 

[Shane]

What about the Bills team he built?

I have to admit, I never thought I'd be comparing the merits of Rod Graves to Bill Polian and people trying to support Graves, even the least bit. They don't make a Kool-aid strong enough.

The Bills teams that choked EVERY SB away and were good like 2 decades ago?

 

[SuperSpck]

Right?
The Colts' inability to draft and groom early talent over the last number of years is plain to see.
Even if you don't like Graves recent history, the Cardinal front office has done better than the Colts.

 

[Buckybird]

What about the Bills team he built?

I have to admit, I never thought I'd be comparing the merits of Rod Graves to Bill Polian and people trying to support Graves, even the least bit. They don't make a Kool-aid strong enough.

I agree about him & his clubs, but it also could be his time has passed. I would still consider Polian (w/o his son) an upgrade over the human snail anyday & at any age!!!

 

[SuperSpck]

Bring polian in asap, the draft record is not the gm that's on the scouts...the gm only goes by the information the scouts gives him he's not the one out there scouting. GM is responible for contracts, FA and staffing.

It depends on the team.
Some GMs also handle drafting and hiring scouts.

 

[CtCardinals78]

All the signs of a team looking to build around a new QBOF. I strongly suspect this will be Mannings last season in Indy, if that. There is a lot of older players on that roster too, that roster needs to be rebuilt. The Colts are going to be the doormats of the AFCS for the next couple of seasons.

 

[Buckybird]

The Bills teams that choked EVERY SB away and were good like 2 decades ago?

They also lost to some GREAT teams. Anyone who has put together the Bills, Panthers & Colts successful runs at a title for basically 30 years is pretty damn good, despite only 1 ring!!!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

They also lost to some GREAT teams. Anyone who has put together the Bills, Panthers & Colts successful runs at a title for basically 30 years is pretty damn good, despite only 1 ring!!!

He was joking. I was reday to respond until I saw the . Even Shane won't complain about making 4 SB's even if they do lose .

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Right?
The Colts' inability to draft and groom early talent over the last number of years is plain to see.
Even if you don't like Graves recent history, the Cardinal front office has done better than the Colts.

you forgot the smiley.

 

[PJ1]

Are you serious? Is Polian an upgrade over Rod Graves? That may be THE most..... hell I don't even know what to call it. Polian has been a 5 time NFL Executive of the year. Graves hasn't had 5 winning seasons. That'd be like asking is Albert Pujols an upgrade over Brandon Allen?

Well he may be an upgrade over Graves but what has he done lately. The Manning injury exposed a poorly run team and he is responsible. If Graves is gonna go(which wouldn't bother me in the least) get someone with some recent success not hinging on one player.

 

[SuperSpck]

Too soon for the 2011 draft class (and probably 2010 and 2009, but...)

2010 - Indianapolis Colts
1 31 Jerry Hughes DE Texas Christian nada
2 63 Pat Angerer OLB Iowa good scheme choice
3 94 Kevin Thomas DB USC not been doing well
4 129 Jacques McClendon G Tennessee not on team
5 162 Brody Eldridge TE Oklahoma
7 238 Ricardo Mathews DE Cincinnati
7 240 Kavell Conner OLB Clemson
7 246 Ray Fisher DB Indiana

2009 - Indianapolis Colts
1 27 Donald Brown RB Connecticut ok behind a mediocre line after a couple years of crap
2 56 Fili Moala DT USC role player hasn't done well
3 92 Jerraud Powers DB Auburn undersized and abused
4 127 Austin Collie WR BYU flashed, but misses games
4 136 Terrance Taylor DT Michigan not w/ team
6 201 Curtis Painter QB Purdue
7 222 Pat McAfee P West Virginia
7 236 Jaimie Thomas G Maryland

2008 - Indianapolis Colts
2 59 Mike Pollak G Arizona State struggled
3 93 Philip Wheeler OLB Georgia Tech good year
4 127 Jacob Tamme TE Kentucky good in scheme
5 161 Marcus Howard DE Georgia
6 196 Tom Santi TE Virginia
6 201 Steve Justice C Wake Forest
6 202 Mike Hart RB Michigan
6 205 Pierre Garcon WR Mount Union good but inconsistent
7 236 Jamey Richard C Buffalo

2007 - Indianapolis Colts
1 32 Anthony Gonzalez WR Ohio State good idea then, injured
2 42 Tony Ugoh T Arkansas not with team
3 95 Dante Hughes CB California
3 98 Quinn Pitcock DT Ohio State
4 131 Brannon Condren DB Troy State
4 136 Clint Session LB Pittsburgh good role player
5 169 Roy Hall WR Ohio State
5 173 Michael Coe CB Alabama State
7 242 Keyunta Dawson DT Texas Tech

2006 - Indianapolis Colts
1 30 Joseph Addai RB Louisiana State good pick
2 62 Tim Jennings CB Georgia good scheme pick
3 94 Freddie Keiaho LB San Diego State
5 162 Michael Toudouze G Texas Christian
6 199 Charlie Johnson T Oklahoma State not w/ team
6 207 Antoine Bethea SS Howard good pick
7 238 T.J. Rushing CB Stanford

2005 - Indianapolis Colts
RD SEL # PLAYER POSITION SCHOOL
1 29 Marlin Jackson DB Michigan not in NFL
2 60 Kelvin Hayden DB Illinois ok rook, hasn't kept it up
3 92 Vincent Burns DE Kentucky
4 129 Dylan Gandy G Texas Tech
4 135 Matt Giordano DB California
5 148 Jonathan Welsh DE Wisconsin
5 165 Robert Hunt C North Dakota State
5 173 Tyjuan Hagler LB Cincinnati
6 202 Dave Rayner K Michigan State
7 243 Anthony Davis -- Wisconsin

2004 - Indianapolis Colts
2 44 Bob Sanders DB Iowa great pick, injured
3 68 Ben Hartsock TE Ohio State good role player
3 69 Gilbert Gardner LB Purdue
4 107 Kendyll Pope LB Florida State
4 125 Jason David CB Washington State
5 141 Jake Scott G Idaho
6 173 Von Hutchins DB Mississippi
6 193 Jim Sorgi QB Wisconsin
7 229 David Kimball K Penn State

A couple of bad luck picks (to be expected) but a lot of stuff that didn't work.
That goes on the GM.
No sarcasm icon needed.

 

[SuperSpck]

2010 - Arizona Cardinals
1 26 Dan Williams DT Tennessee up n down
2 47 Daryl Washington ILB Texas Christian been good
3 88 Andre Roberts WR The Citadel contributed
4 130 O'Brien Schofield LB Wisconsin contributed
5 155 John Skelton QB Fordham contributed
6 201 Jorrick Calvin DB Troy
7 233 Jim Dray TE Stanford contributed

2009 - Arizona Cardinals
1 31 Beanie Wells RB Ohio State one disappointing year
2 63 Cody Brown DE Connecticut bust!
3 95 Rashad Johnson DB Alabama contributed
4 131 Greg Toler DB St. Paul's (VA) contributed
5 167 Herman Johnson G Louisiana State
6 204 Will Davis LB Illinois
7 240 LaRod Stephens-Howling RB Pittsburgh contributed
7 254 Trevor Canfield G Cincinnati

2008 - Arizona Cardinals
1 16 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee State undisciplined and not a scheme match
2 50 Calais Campbell DE Miami (Fla.) about to get paid
3 81 Early Doucet WR Louisiana State contributed
4 116 Kenny Iwebema DE Iowa
5 149 Tim Hightower RB Richmond contributed
6 185 Chris Harrington LB Texas A&M
7 225 Brandon Keith T Northern Iowa contributed

2007 - Arizona Cardinals
1 5 Levi Brown OT Penn State contributed
2 33 Alan Branch DT Michigan contributed
3 69 Buster Davis LB Florida State bust
5 142 Steve Breaston WR Michigan contributed
7 215 Ben Patrick TE Delaware contributed

2006 - Arizona Cardinals
1 10 Matt Leinart QB USC bust
2 41 Deuce Lutui G USC contributed
3 72 Leonard Pope TE Georgia contributed
4 107 Gabe Watson DT Michigan
5 142 Brandon Johnson LB Louisville
6 177 Jonathan Lewis DT Virginia Tech
7 218 Todd Watkins WR Brigham Young
2005 - Arizona Cardinals
1 8 Antrel Rolle DB Miami (Fla.) contributed
2 44 J.J. Arrington RB California
3 75 Eric Green DB Virginia Tech
3 95 Darryl Blackstock LB Virginia
4 111 Elton Brown G Virginia
5 168 Lance Mitchell LB Oklahoma
7 226 LeRon McCoy WR Indiana (PA)

2004 - Arizona Cardinals
1 3 Larry Fitzgerald WR Pittsburgh highest paid WR
2 33 Karlos Dansby OLB Auburn contributed
3 64 Darnell Dockett DT Florida State contributed
4 100 Alex Stepanovich C Ohio State
5 135 Antonio Smith DE Oklahoma State contributed
6 167 Nick Leckey C Kansas State
7 202 John Navarre QB Michigan

Since 2004 the Cardinal's front office, up to and including scouting and FA signees (which INDY doesn't really do, ever) has done a better job.
They've been more active in resigning their core, but that's about it.