Confused

[Harry]

Let me start by saying I'm overall very impressed with BA and I think he's great for the Cards. That said, I'm worried about all this QB whisperer stuff. It will be scary if he starts believing his own legend. I mean this assumption he can just take an athlete and make him a great QB. Coupled with quarterback of the future talk I see another potential Logan Thomas coming. The Cards seem okay with wasting a draft pick in what I think is a very shallow pool. Quarterback drafting has always reminded me of dating. It's easy to project the other person to something they're not or think, "I can change them." Rummaging at the bottom of this pool is more likely to produce Marcia Brady than Tom Brady. I write this because the Cards seem to be taking a long look at Brandon Doughty. He is neither athletic nor proficient. His flaws exceed his strengths. He's the type who dinks and is best at throwing under 10 yards. He'd be hard to project for this offense. BA may find this another opportunity to show his talent. To me Doughty would be just a wasted pick, but worse a waste of time.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Well, I give him credit for this: He drafted Logan Thomas, knowing he would be a project...after one season he kicked him to the curb and cut his losses. Other coaches, like Whis, would have kept LT on the roster much longer, because they are so stubborn and pig headed that they can't see the end game.

 

[Big D]

The man is a hell of a coach and hey, if BA's worst piece of baggage is that he is going to waste a mid to late round draft pick every couple of years on a QB he thinks he can develop I can live with that.

Rarely does a team hit on each of it's picks anyway, and even if they do, it's going to be pretty difficult to keep them all beyond their rookie deals.

 

[Goldfield]

Imo Bruce's flaw is his arrogance, but his arrogance is also what makes him a great coach...

When he says things to the media I always take it with a grain of salt. I figured that out as soon as he talked up. Levi Brown.

 

[Mitch]

I spent a good deal of time yesterday researching QB Brandon Doughty, because I knew the Cardinals had him in for a private workout.

I watched the highlight reel and he reminded me some of Tony Romo---he's got the snappy release and he is generally on target with his throws and he put up gaudy numbers at Western Kentucky.

Then I watched all his snaps at The East West Shrine game and saw him force two interceptions after staring down his target and I thought this would ensure him at best as a late pick (6th or 7th round) or UCFA.

But, for some reason I wanted to see more, so then i watched his interview at the Combine---and it was very amusing, to say the least. He sounded like a kid straight off the sandlot, saying stuff like I only know players by their numbers and not their names---and then, in contrast, he gave a perfect description of what kinds of defensive looks he got from LSU---so he really understands coverage schemes. But, he was truly funny, upbeat and engaging and I could see where BA would like this kid's spunk.

So then I watched his bowl game versus South Florida---and you know what? I came away reasonably impressed, especially how accurate he was in converting third downs and TDs in the red zone.

I would have never thought Tony Romo or Brian Hoyer would be starting NFL QBs---it takes a certain amount of moxie and some good breaks---so I wouldn't count Doughty out completely.

That said, i do not think Doughty fits BA's photo-type, just as you suggest.

But, I have to say, I became a bit of a fan watching him.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Let me start by saying I'm overall very impressed with BA and I think he's great for the Cards. That said, I'm worried about all this QB whisperer stuff. It will be scary if he starts believing his own legend. I mean this assumption he can just take an athlete and make him a great QB. Coupled with quarterback of the future talk I see another potential Logan Thomas coming. The Cards seem okay with wasting a draft pick in what I think is a very shallow pool. Quarterback drafting has always reminded me of dating. It's easy to project the other person to something they're not or think, "I can change them." Rummaging at the bottom of this pool is more likely to produce Marcia Brady than Tom Brady. I write this because the Cards seem to be taking a long look at Brandon Doughty. He is neither athletic nor proficient. His flaws exceed his strengths. He's the type who dinks and is best at throwing under 10 yards. He'd be hard to project for this offense. BA may find this another opportunity to show his talent. To me Doughty would be just a wasted pick, but worse a waste of time.

Good post, and all I can say is it is a thin line.

 

[Mitch]

Harry---it seems that Steve Keim also feels like they can take a player's talents and mold him into a position that fits the Cardinals' needs.

It worked with Deion Bucannon, as who would have thought they would mold him into a productive, albeit very under-sized WILB.

Last year they drafted one of the more naturally gifted LTs in D.J. Humphries and are converting him to RT. Sure, same position, but whole new muscle memory training for him.

This year, all the buzz is that BA&SK are going to select S T.J. Green of Clemson at #29 and convert him to press CB.

Furthermore, at their presser they were talking about drafting a college non-center and converting him to center.

Well, BA&SK feel as if time is on their side for rookies because of the depth of the roster. But---this roster is vulnerable at CB and C---so what happens if A.Q. Shipley and Justin Bethel struggle?

When it comes to making decisions such as these, BA&SK sure are defying Malcolm Gladwell's "10,000 hour rule."

In the short and long run, I think this could backfire on them.

 

[Reddog]

Harry - Do you think there is a QB that can be had in R3 that can become a starting QB for us in a couple years? I know Cardale Jones name has been floated on the board. While I think he is way more capable than Logan Thomas, I just don't see how a 3rd string QB get the reps needed to develop into a starter in two years.

 

[kerouac9]

The man is a hell of a coach and hey, if BA's worst piece of baggage is that he is going to waste a mid to late round draft pick every couple of years on a QB he thinks he can develop I can live with that.

Rarely does a team hit on each of it's picks anyway, and even if they do, it's going to be pretty difficult to keep them all beyond their rookie deals.

This. Missing on Logan Thomas is frustrating, but what are you gonna do? It's 4th round pick. It's much worse to blow picks on guys like Nicked-Glass. The opportunity cost for Logan Thomas was a guy who would play Special Teams adequately for 4 seasons before leaving as a free agent, more or less.

 

[Chopper0080]

The man is a hell of a coach and hey, if BA's worst piece of baggage is that he is going to waste a mid to late round draft pick every couple of years on a QB he thinks he can develop I can live with that.

Rarely does a team hit on each of it's picks anyway, and even if they do, it's going to be pretty difficult to keep them all beyond their rookie deals.

Agreed.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I spent a good deal of time yesterday researching QB Brandon Doughty, because I knew the Cardinals had him in for a private workout.

I watched the highlight reel and he reminded me some of Tony Romo---he's got the snappy release and he is generally on target with his throws and he put up gaudy numbers at Western Kentucky.

Then I watched all his snaps at The East West Shrine game and saw him force two interceptions after staring down his target and I thought this would ensure him at best as a late pick (6th or 7th round) or UCFA.

But, for some reason I wanted to see more, so then i watched his interview at the Combine---and it was very amusing, to say the least. He sounded like a kid straight off the sandlot, saying stuff like I only know players by their numbers and not their names---and then, in contrast, he gave a perfect description of what kinds of defensive looks he got from LSU---so he really understands coverage schemes. But, he was truly funny, upbeat and engaging and I could see where BA would like this kid's spunk.

So then I watched his bowl game versus South Florida---and you know what? I came away reasonably impressed, especially how accurate he was in converting third downs and TDs in the red zone.

I would have never thought Tony Romo or Brian Hoyer would be starting NFL QBs---it takes a certain amount of moxie and some good breaks---so I wouldn't count Doughty out completely.

That said, i do not think Doughty fits BA's photo-type, just as you suggest.

But, I have to say, I became a bit of a fan watching him.

Did I just see a moxie in there? LOL. Actually, to me, your description sounds an awful lot like Brett Favre...and I wouldn't mind that too much.

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[DeAnna]

Did I just see a moxie in there? LOL.

hahaha .. you beat me to it.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Let me start by saying I'm overall very impressed with BA and I think he's great for the Cards. That said, I'm worried about all this QB whisperer stuff. It will be scary if he starts believing his own legend. I mean this assumption he can just take an athlete and make him a great QB. Coupled with quarterback of the future talk I see another potential Logan Thomas coming. The Cards seem okay with wasting a draft pick in what I think is a very shallow pool. Quarterback drafting has always reminded me of dating. It's easy to project the other person to something they're not or think, "I can change them." Rummaging at the bottom of this pool is more likely to produce Marcia Brady than Tom Brady. I write this because the Cards seem to be taking a long look at Brandon Doughty. He is neither athletic nor proficient. His flaws exceed his strengths. He's the type who dinks and is best at throwing under 10 yards. He'd be hard to project for this offense. BA may find this another opportunity to show his talent. To me Doughty would be just a wasted pick, but worse a waste of time.

I am not worried about BA believing that. One, he drafted Thomas in a later round and most importantly he dropped him rather soon and that showed he was not arrogant and felt he could work miracles

 

[az jam]

BA has input but Keim will call the final shot on who will be drafted. (Besides Cards are taking QB Cardale Jones, Ohio State)

 

[Cardiac]

I'm hoping all this QB talk from BASK is a Smoke Screen. My fear is that it isn't and we will be wasting a pick in this years draft.

 

[az jam]

Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerESPN
Chargers, Cardinals flying to Ohio to visit with Cardale Jones and his mentor Ted Ginn Sr. in draft's final days

 

[Mainstreet]

I am not worried about BA believing that. One, he drafted Thomas in a later round and most importantly he dropped him rather soon and that showed he was not arrogant and felt he could work miracles

I like this line of thinking if the Cardinals draft a QB. Keim will not draft a QB if he does not think he has a chance of developing.

 

[Snakester]

Jeremy Fowler ‏@JFowlerESPN
Chargers, Cardinals flying to Ohio to visit with Cardale Jones and his mentor Ted Ginn Sr. in draft's final days

I wonder if they are thinking about switching him to TE or WR. The last time we visited a QB we drafted Logan Thomas.

 

[Harry]

Okay, I'll bite. If I had to take a project QB it would be Kevin Hogan from Stanford. He's like Palmer, a big arm but not very mobile. He got this looping delivery that would have to be truncated. Once you do that maybe you've got something. He smart and has the frame to add a little more muscle to compensate for the delivery change. He's not afraid of the big stage having followed Luck. He's tough and his family has the kind of history that usually indicates well grounded leadership skills. I think he's a risk you don't need to take, but he can likely be molded to play BA's game.

 

[CardLogic]

Okay, I'll bite. If I had to take a project QB it would be Kevin Hogan from Stanford. He's like Palmer, a big arm but not very mobile. He got this looping delivery that would have to be truncated. Once you do that maybe you've got something. He smart and has the frame to add a little more muscle to compensate for the delivery change. He's not afraid of the big stage having followed Luck. He's tough and his family has the kind of history that usually indicates well grounded leadership skills. I think he's a risk you don't need to take, but he can likely be molded to play BA's game.

Hogan's got all the right "intangibles", Harry. But do you believe that he has got the talent?