Corbin may be done for the year

[crisper57]

Corbin, Hudson (x2), and now former prospect Parker is getting his second one in 4.5 years. Are the D-Backs snake-bit with this type of injury in recent years or what?

 

[AZ Native]

It is a league wide problem.

This is from last July:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-b...-pitchers-undergone-tommy-john-011100585.html

Think of all the recent additions. Scary.

 

[Phrazbit]

This is another reason why sacrificing the future to "win now" was such a stupid and reckless strategy. A large amount of salary and a big sacrifice of our minor league system was done to build this team. Injuries happen... one happened to us and now before the season begins our team built to "win now" is viewed as having almost no chance.

 

[BC867]

This is another reason why sacrificing the future to "win now" was such a stupid and reckless strategy. A large amount of salary and a big sacrifice of our minor league system was done to build this team. Injuries happen... one happened to us and now before the season begins our team built to "win now" is viewed as having almost no chance.

I agree with your premise. But Patrick Corbin isn't a veteran obtained for prospects. Corbin is our prospect, who was coming of age. Is he really an example of the point in your post?

 

[DWKB]

I agree with your premise. But Patrick Corbin isn't a veteran obtained for prospects. Corbin is our prospect, who was coming of age. Is he really an example of the point in your post?

I think his point is that pitchers get injured, so having a pen of young pitching talent in just that situation to potentially step up comes in extremely handy.

The counter is, of course, none of our young pitching talent is capable of that so the question is why can't we develop and/or draft enough that are?

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm more talking about the construct of the team as a whole. It was built to win now. They've made sacrifices that effect the viability of this team down the road because Towers thought we were a contender (a dubious notion to begin with). Now we have one major injury and the team built to win now will be hard pressed to go .500. I have always thought a small market team like us should be building from within, building for depth in the system. Not trying to go "all in" for a run during one or two years without minor league depth or the finances of a large market. This kind of poor planning is what led clubs small market clubs like Houston, Minnesota and Miami to the hell they're in.

With Corbin's injury our new projections and the amount of money dumped into this roster I think we're more likely to have a fire sale mid season than to be contending.

On that note. Tyler Skaggs has been clocked in the mid 90s this spring. His velocity return is being credited to an adjustment in his stride. Its too bad our front office lacks the patience to let young players work through struggles.

This "win now" strategy has cause Towers to repeatedly make costly trades to fill imagined holes, often creating real holes in the process. We "needed" a power hitting outfielder (because he traded a better one away the year before), we sacrificed pitching depth (and an outfielder) to get that... now we have a serious hole in our rotation... that Towers is supposedly leaning towards filling by sacrificing yet more depth in our system. Its a cycle of short sighted decisions that have little hope to yield near term despite being done with the idea of competing immediately.

 

[Bert]

ugh thanks for the kick to the stomach... Will we ever see the same PC again? Time will tell.

 

[bankybruce]

It is funn that some are complaining about trading away young pitching, but no one bring up that if we had kept Parker instead of Cahill, we would be down three pitchers to Tommy John; Parker, Corbin and Husdon. Instead, we have the big old cream puff of a #3 pitcher here in Cahill. Does it suck to not have Skaggs right now, sure. That potenial would be nice as a back up, but the fact of the matter is there was no indication that this would happen to Corbin and we still do not know what Skaggs is. You cannot look to his late season struggle last year as pointing to that either. Most young pitcher go through that.

Heck, Trumbo's added production could make a team that wins 8-5 on a daily basis for all we know, while Skaggs may end up with 15 losses and an ERA over 6. I am willing to see how it plays out before blaiming Towers for the season being over before it starts due to Corbins injury.

 

[Bert]

It is funn that some are complaining about trading away young pitching, but no one bring up that if we had kept Parker instead of Cahill, we would be down three pitchers to Tommy John; Parker, Corbin and Husdon. Instead, we have the big old cream puff of a #3 pitcher here in Cahill. Does it suck to not have Skaggs right now, sure. That potenial would be nice as a back up, but the fact of the matter is there was no indication that this would happen to Corbin and we still do not know what Skaggs is. You cannot look to his late season struggle last year as pointing to that either. Most young pitcher go through that.

Heck, Trumbo's added production could make a team that wins 8-5 on a daily basis for all we know, while Skaggs may end up with 15 losses and an ERA over 6. I am willing to see how it plays out before blaiming Towers for the season being over before it starts due to Corbins injury.

At some point does someone take a look at the methods of our farm system coaches and trainers? Not pointing a finger, you just bring up an interesting point about all the TJ surgery's and made me wonder...

 

[AZ Native]

One-third of current MLB pitchers have had Tommy John surgery. Of the about 360 who started the season, 124 share the all-too-familiar triangular scar.
How surprising is this number? It stunned me! In recent talks with baseball officials, none guessed more than the one-in-nine number I had often seen quoted over the last decade (and quoted myself). Worse, none of us had any idea when this change had happened or noticed the acceleration.

 

[Azlen]

One-third of current MLB pitchers have had Tommy John surgery. Of the about 360 who started the season, 124 share the all-too-familiar triangular scar.
How surprising is this number? It stunned me! In recent talks with baseball officials, none guessed more than the one-in-nine number I had often seen quoted over the last decade (and quoted myself). Worse, none of us had any idea when this change had happened or noticed the acceleration.

Here's a link to the article you are quoting from.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-in-mlb-pitchers-whove-had-tommy-john-surgery

 

[AZ Native]

Here's a link to the article you are quoting from.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-in-mlb-pitchers-whove-had-tommy-john-surgery

It was from post #27 in this thread:

It is a league wide problem.

This is from last July:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...011100585.html

Think of all the recent additions. Scary.

 

[Bert]

It was from post #27 in this thread:

It is a league wide problem.

This is from last July:

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-bi...011100585.html

Think of all the recent additions. Scary.

That is crazy.

One thought though. The general idea now is that doctors and technology have gotten "Better" at this surgery. It's (supposedly) less devastating to come back from than it was 20 years ago. So I wonder how much impact that has on the increasing numbers? In the past guys would have exhausted every available option before going with TJS, now it's easier to come back from so guys are more inclined to just go ahead and do it?

 

[82CardsGrad]

I'm more talking about the construct of the team as a whole. It was built to win now. They've made sacrifices that effect the viability of this team down the road because Towers thought we were a contender (a dubious notion to begin with). Now we have one major injury and the team built to win now will be hard pressed to go .500. I have always thought a small market team like us should be building from within, building for depth in the system. Not trying to go "all in" for a run during one or two years without minor league depth or the finances of a large market. This kind of poor planning is what led clubs small market clubs like Houston, Minnesota and Miami to the hell they're in.

With Corbin's injury our new projections and the amount of money dumped into this roster I think we're more likely to have a fire sale mid season than to be contending.

On that note. Tyler Skaggs has been clocked in the mid 90s this spring. His velocity return is being credited to an adjustment in his stride. Its too bad our front office lacks the patience to let young players work through struggles.

This "win now" strategy has cause Towers to repeatedly make costly trades to fill imagined holes, often creating real holes in the process. We "needed" a power hitting outfielder (because he traded a better one away the year before), we sacrificed pitching depth (and an outfielder) to get that... now we have a serious hole in our rotation... that Towers is supposedly leaning towards filling by sacrificing yet more depth in our system. Its a cycle of short sighted decisions that have little hope to yield near term despite being done with the idea of competing immediately.

Yea, too bad we don't have Bauer or Parker to rely upon at a time like this...


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[devilalum]

It is funn that some are complaining about trading away young pitching, but no one bring up that if we had kept Parker instead of Cahill, we would be down three pitchers to Tommy John; Parker, Corbin and Husdon. Instead, we have the big old cream puff of a #3 pitcher here in Cahill. Does it suck to not have Skaggs right now, sure. That potenial would be nice as a back up, but the fact of the matter is there was no indication that this would happen to Corbin and we still do not know what Skaggs is. You cannot look to his late season struggle last year as pointing to that either. Most young pitcher go through that.

Heck, Trumbo's added production could make a team that wins 8-5 on a daily basis for all we know, while Skaggs may end up with 15 losses and an ERA over 6. I am willing to see how it plays out before blaiming Towers for the season being over before it starts due to Corbins injury.

If Goldy, Trumbo and Hill (pre-injury) all perform at last years level this team should put up a lot of runs. If a couple of more bats step up it could be craptastic.

 

[Phrazbit]

Yea, too bad we don't have Bauer or Parker to rely upon at a time like this...


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If only they had been the only players Towers had dumped during his bouts of short sighted buffoonery. But hey, at least we got a over paid and over weight #4 pitcher and a backup short stop. Granted we also gave up an all-star reliever in those trades... but who's counting.

 

[Phrazbit]

If Goldy, Trumbo and Hill (pre-injury) all perform at last years level this team should put up a lot of runs. If a couple of more bats step up it could be craptastic.

Trumbo would need to be considerably better than he was last year for him to have a positive effect on our offense. He hit .234 last season and .222 with runners in scoring position. His RBI numbers were a result of an insane amount of opportunities because the guys hitting in from of him got on base so much, but Trumbo was well below the league average when it came to his rate of knocking them in.

 

[BC867]

Trumbo would need to be considerably better than he was last year for him to have a positive effect on our offense. He hit .234 last season and .222 with runners in scoring position. His RBI numbers were a result of an insane amount of opportunities because the guys hitting in from of him got on base so much, but Trumbo was well below the league average when it came to his rate of knocking them in.

In Game 1, he drove in our only run (with a ground ball, I think) and left two of our 11 runners on base.

He may have been below league average, but yesterday he was above the rest of the team.

And yes, for a LF, he is a helluva 1B-3B.

It reminds me of the Cubs in the '50's who traded for slugger (weak fielding) Ralph Kiner in LF to go with slugger (weak fielding) Hank Sauer in RF. Poor Frankie Baumholtz in CF had to cover all three positions. They used to say that Kiner and Sauer owed Frankie not just a steak dinner, but a Cadillac.

 

[Phrazbit]

In Game 1, he drove in our only run (with a ground ball, I think) and left two of our 11 runners on base.

He may have been below league average, but yesterday he was above the rest of the team.

And yes, for a LF, he is a helluva 1B-3B.

It reminds me of the Cubs in the '50's who traded for slugger (weak fielding) Ralph Kiner in LF to go with slugger (weak fielding) Hank Sauer in RF. Poor Frankie Baumholtz in CF had to cover all three positions. They used to say that Kiner and Sauer owed Frankie not just a steak dinner, but a Cadillac.

Sadly for him the FC still goes in the books as .000 with runners in scoring position. And I didnt see the game but I have seen the "highlights", he made two blunders in the field, the fly ball that he turned into a double with his spider man routine, and later he turned a single into a double by diving for a ball and letting it get behind him. Not sure if either of those led to runs.

If his first game is any indication... we're in big trouble. He is as bad of an outfielder as I've seen since Durazo. Unserviceable out there. I know he has played some third, they might have to move him there and put Prado in the outfield. Which would be ironic given the reasoning for the trade.

I suspect Matt Davidson could have been converted to a not terrible left fielder and saved us having to trade Skaggs.