CornerBacks

[clif]

Couple of points. Mcfadden takes too much blame here. He is not the problem. The problem is you have two safeties that are absolutely worthless in pass coverage. Rolle and Wilson. Rolle is ok but stiff and loses the ball way too much. Wilson is asked to attack the LOS because he is good at it and terrible in pass coverage. DRC takes too many chances right now, but that is something that he can learn from. Mcfadden is not a shut down corner nor was he asked to be one here. He is just not getting any help from the pass rush and his fellow DB's. For all that Rolle brings to the table, I would not be upset if we let him walk if it means re-signing Dansby and drafting some pass rush help.

 

[clif]

Oh and another thing. I was listening to Colin today and he had Derrick Brooks on. He basically said the same things about DRC and the Cards DB's as a whole. We are taking way too many chances and playing poor technique. Obviously tackling was one of his sore spots, but he made it sound pretty simple to fix.

 

[Shane]

Couple of points. Mcfadden takes too much blame here. He is not the problem. The problem is you have two safeties that are absolutely worthless in pass coverage. Rolle and Wilson. Rolle is ok but stiff and loses the ball way too much. Wilson is asked to attack the LOS because he is good at it and terrible in pass coverage. DRC takes too many chances right now, but that is something that he can learn from. Mcfadden is not a shut down corner nor was he asked to be one here. He is just not getting any help from the pass rush and his fellow DB's. For all that Rolle brings to the table, I would not be upset if we let him walk if it means re-signing Dansby and drafting some pass rush help.

Agree. Minus the occasional TD I honestly think R. Johnson could probably play the position as a whole better than Rolle.

 

[187]

I'm really confused on what we need to focus on with our first two picks. OLB, ILB, OT, and CB are all big needs (ILB if Dansby walks). I guess it depends on how big of a need the coaches think OT is, Levi Brown has been better in the second half but Bridges is still a question mark. I just don't think we will take a corner in the 1st round unless a can't miss player drops to us. Regardless of what we think of McFadden, Whiz will keep him at #2 so an upgrade at nickel corner could easily be found in rounds 2-4. As it's been said, an upgraded pass rush will improve your secondary so I think OLB should be our pick in the 1st..unless the coaches are still very high on Cody Brown. Who knows, I'm split on what we should do and that makes it even harder to try and figure out what are FO is thinking. IF Levi and Bridges can prove to be serviceable that would make this draft a whole lot easier in the first 3 rounds.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

i think CB has to be right up there with our needs. Toler may be a great athlete but who knows if he can cover anyone. i don't know if i'd make CB my 1st round pick but i wouldn't hate it if someone like a Joe Haden fell to us.That's not going to happen though. The guy i'm interested in round 2 is Javier Arenas from Alabama. He would also solve any punt return issues for the Cards and let Breaston be a full time WR only. I think if Boldin is traded for a 2nd rounder then one of those 3 early picks will definitely be a CB.

Also, alot of mocks have Taylor Mayes dropping. If he happened to be around, the Cards would have to take a hard look at him. He played hurt all year and is an athletic freak. Wilson isn't going to be around forever and Mayes could be drafted and be groomed to take over. Now that Earl Thomas and Eric Berry have declared, Mayes could easily be there. I don't know if 3 safeties would go that early. He would have been a top 10 pick last year. Another safety i really like is Chad Jones from LSU.

 

[Duckjake]

i think CB has to be right up there with our needs. Toler may be a great athlete but who knows if he can cover anyone. i don't know if i'd make CB my 1st round pick but i wouldn't hate it if someone like a Joe Haden fell to us.That's not going to happen though. The guy i'm interested in round 2 is Javier Arenas from Alabama. He would also solve any punt return issues for the Cards and let Breaston be a full time WR only. I think if Boldin is traded for a 2nd rounder then one of those 3 early picks will definitely be a CB.

Also, alot of mocks have Taylor Mayes dropping. If he happened to be around, the Cards would have to take a hard look at him. He played hurt all year and is an athletic freak. Wilson isn't going to be around forever and Mayes could be drafted and be groomed to take over. Now that Earl Thomas and Eric Berry have declared, Mayes could easily be there. I don't know if 3 safeties would go that early. He would have been a top 10 pick last year. Another safety i really like is Chad Jones from LSU.

Earl Thomas, for all his ball hawking skills, is too small imo to play safety in the NFL. He isn't as big as Texas has him listed. He might be able to play CB though.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Earl Thomas, for all his ball hawking skills, is too small imo to play safety in the NFL. He isn't as big as Texas has him listed. He might be able to play CB though.

That's kind of like Kurt Coleman from OSU.He played alot of SS. He'll probably have to move to CB. He's a big hitter in college.I'm not so sure in the pros.

 

[stewdog1]

Couple of points. Mcfadden takes too much blame here. He is not the problem. The problem is you have two safeties that are absolutely worthless in pass coverage. Rolle and Wilson. Rolle is ok but stiff and loses the ball way too much. Wilson is asked to attack the LOS because he is good at it and terrible in pass coverage. DRC takes too many chances right now, but that is something that he can learn from. Mcfadden is not a shut down corner nor was he asked to be one here. He is just not getting any help from the pass rush and his fellow DB's. For all that Rolle brings to the table, I would not be upset if we let him walk if it means re-signing Dansby and drafting some pass rush help.

Does anyone think Wilson might be better moving to linebacker at this point in his career? Could he take more of a pounding?

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Does anyone think Wilson might be better moving to linebacker at this point in his career? Could he take more of a pounding?

I'm not for moving him. He was a pro bowl safety this year.

 

[Cards Czar]

Who has two seconds this year?


Teams with Multi-2nd round picks.


TB - # 35 & 42.

KC - # 36 & 50.

NE - # 44 & 47 & 53.

 

[john h]

Could Cornerback be much higher on our list of priorities this offseason then we realized?

And yes it is a good time to talk about it after we just saw our DB's get smashed in our most recent game.

Could it be higher on the list then lets say OLB, even though both Okeafer and Berry could be gone. Think about it, they already drafted two guys they like a lot last year in Will Davis and Cody Brown to take their place. We are top 5 in the league in sacks per pass attempt. All we need is a 4th OLB.

Now move on to Cornerback. McFadden was only signed to a two year deal. Brown is most likely gone, Adams was proven that he should not be anywhere near the teams top 4 CB rotation. Brown is old, getting slower and a free agent. Toler is still as raw as day one.

So I ask are we thinking about the offseason wrong and could CB be higher on the priority list at this point in time then OLB?

If Kurt retires without a doubt a QB will be our greatest need.

 

[joeshmo]

I think we also need to remember how we usually draft players. We seem to try and draft players based on which veterans on our team has one year left on contract that we dont seem inteded on re-signing for one reason or another or only want to keep for one more year. We did it with Ross and Levi. We did it with Campbell and Smith. I think they tried with Doucet and Boldin. DRC and Hood/Green. Probably Toller and Brown. Probably Johnson and Rolle. Brown/Davis and Okeafer/Berry.

I think this line of thinking is a big factor in their draft strategy. I dont think they would pass on superior talent but I think it is a big factor, case in point I think the team was going to go in a completely different direction but Beanie Wells was still on the board last year.

So what players could play into this apperent strategy?

Warner, Rolle, Hayes, McFadden, Reggie Wells, Lutui, Boldin if not traded.

 

[john h]

I think a CB with some size is a day one priority--

either that or you look to a veteran guy like Dre Bly to come in a play nickle.

ideally -- you have a couple candidates on the 2010 roster to take McFadden's spot when he hits free agency.

As wide receivers are getting taller and faster the day of the small DB is coming to an end.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don't think you will get an elite CB if you are picking 24th thru 32nd.

Yes we have Brown and Davis, but even if they step up who do we have behind them?

Unless we can package Boldin and our 1st rounder to move up, which isn't going to happen, I think we will probably go OL or ILB. Of course a lot depends on what happens with Dansby.

I refuse to talk about the draft and next year when we are about to play another playoff game, but once again, you guys sucked me in!

 

[Duckjake]

I think we also need to remember how we usually draft players. We seem to try and draft players based on which veterans on our team has one year left on contract that we dont seem inteded on re-signing for one reason or another or only want to keep for one more year. We did it with Ross and Levi. We did it with Campbell and Smith. I think they tried with Doucet and Boldin. DRC and Hood/Green. Probably Toller and Brown. Probably Johnson and Rolle. Brown/Davis and Okeafer/Berry.

I think this line of thinking is a big factor in their draft strategy. I dont think they would pass on superior talent but I think it is a big factor, case in point I think the team was going to go in a completely different direction but Beanie Wells was still on the board last year.

So what players could play into this apperent strategy?

Warner, Rolle, Hayes, McFadden, Reggie Wells, Lutui, Boldin if not traded.

The Cards got the Safety last draft in Rashad Johnson, though it is disconcerting that he was inactive Sunday. Walker for Hayes. Big Baby for Duece, though I don't think Latui leaves. So that leaves Wells, McFadden and Dansby. So the draft is OT, CB, ILB in no particular order.

Of course the drafting has been two years in advance. So McFadden and Wells would play another year. Dansby's ILB spot is the only one that can be filled with a rookie as there are several 3-4 ILBs in the NFL who came in as rookies and put up big numbers.

 

[Pariah]

Teams with Multi-2nd round picks.


TB - # 35 & 42.

KC - # 36 & 50.

NE - # 44 & 47 & 53.

You could make a case that NE might want him with Welker being out next season.

And KC is interesting, too.

 

[Cardiac]

BPA at LB, DB and O-line. I would actually also consider a TE but he would have to have Gonzo or Whitten creds. Looking at overall results our Offense is incredible and our Defense is pitiful. I would never be irritated with a top notch Oline pick. O-line or Defensive freak in the 1st.

 

[nooch]

I think our draft should be Defense heavy. The O-line has players waiting in the wings in Brandon Keith and Herman Johnson. I know they were cross training both to play gaurd or tackle. I think unless an elite talent is there, you don't draft O-line early.

If Kurt retires then you draft a QB and let Matt run the offense for a year and see what happens. If we move Q, we need to get a talented TE to balance the offense.

The linebacking corp should be focus. While getting Cody Brown helps next year, we still need fast and more athletic linebackers. And with Dansby unlikely to return, the has to be a priority. We need another cornerback for sure, even developing Toler. I can't stand McFadden never looking back for a ball, makes me nervous as hell. I liked Hood better and hope we can find someone similar.

Of course depending who they decide to bring back, we should be able to draft BPA.

Good luck in New Orleans boys keep it going!

 

[the_future23]

i think CB has to be right up there with our needs. Toler may be a great athlete but who knows if he can cover anyone. i don't know if i'd make CB my 1st round pick but i wouldn't hate it if someone like a Joe Haden fell to us.That's not going to happen though. The guy i'm interested in round 2 is Javier Arenas from Alabama. He would also solve any punt return issues for the Cards and let Breaston be a full time WR only. I think if Boldin is traded for a 2nd rounder then one of those 3 early picks will definitely be a CB.

Also, alot of mocks have Taylor Mayes dropping. If he happened to be around, the Cards would have to take a hard look at him. He played hurt all year and is an athletic freak. Wilson isn't going to be around forever and Mayes could be drafted and be groomed to take over. Now that Earl Thomas and Eric Berry have declared, Mayes could easily be there. I don't know if 3 safeties would go that early. He would have been a top 10 pick last year. Another safety i really like is Chad Jones from LSU.

Mays could be the next Campbell. Junior year, top 5 pick. Senior year, 2nd round pick.

 

[187]

BPA at LB, DB and O-line. I would actually also consider a TE but he would have to have Gonzo or Whitten creds. Looking at overall results our Offense is incredible and our Defense is pitiful. I would never be irritated with a top notch Oline pick. O-line or Defensive freak in the 1st.

I think Ben Patrick is pretty underrated. Kurt never looks at the TE, but when he does Patrick always makes the play. I can't ever remember him dropping a ball and he does great in pass protection and run blocking. I don't want anything to do with a TE in the first 4 rounds unless an absolute stud drops to us.

 

[BACH]

Joe, I think you're right that CB is a priority, but wrong about it being a top priority.

If your argumentation is, that the coaching staff already think that Cody and Davis are OLBs of the future, then they must also think that Toler is at least good enough to be our 3rd CB next year.

I think CB is something to adress in the 3rd og 4th round in the draft.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

I think Toler will become very good... he is a great athlete with lots of speed...but trade an unhappy Q to Chicago for Tillman

For TILLMAN ?

He is not even as good as McFadden.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

BPA at LB, DB and O-line. I would actually also consider a TE but he would have to have Gonzo or Whitten creds. Looking at overall results our Offense is incredible and our Defense is pitiful. I would never be irritated with a top notch Oline pick. O-line or Defensive freak in the 1st.

The other guy i was thinking,if he's there, that the Cards will have to take a long look at is TE Jermaine Gresham. He also wold have probably been a top 10 pick if not for the injury. It all depends on how healthy he checks out but i could see him being our pick as well. Warner may rarely throw to the TE but Leinart may utilize the position more. TE is also a position of need. After Ben Patrick, who is there really. Becht is on the tail end of his career and Spach is nothing more than a 3rd TE.