Cowgirls new stadiun

[Cheesebeef]

man, that thing looks like the Ed-209 if you're standing outside of the endzone end of the stadium. That stadium looks like it can eat galaxies.

 

[Kel Varnsen]

It is what rival teams do... I don't how many times I've gone to opponent boards to see the Cardinals called 'The Tards'.

Don't forget Crudinals. That one's kinda clever, actually.

That stadium is pretty cool, though. It kinda looks like a football in some of those shots.

 

[Red Hawk]

I don't get the exterior video screen? Won't most people be in their seats, and unable to see it? Seriosly, who will be watching it, people who didn't buy a ticket?

It seems like a huge waste of money.

I still say I saw an early rendering of UOP with a screen just like that.

I believe it was to be at the end of spotsmans park on the west side of the stadium.

 

[Lorenzo]

Tom Hicks, the owner of the Rangers, is also putting in money to have a huge shopping center built inbetween the Rangers and new Cowboys stadium that is going to include bowling alleys and movie theatres and such... Kinda like what the Coyotes and Cardinals have except probably bigger. That area around the two stadiums is going to grow a lot. We went there last year to see the Rangers and it was such a neat area. It was basically like a MLB stadium in the middle of a suburb, there was an apartment complex maybe 100 yards from the Rangers stadium and a Wal-Mart down the street it just had a unique feeling like you were in an everyday suburban area and then you see a stadium like that. The Rangers stadium is amazing but I'm going to miss the suburban feeling to that area since it's going to grow and grow in the very near future.

yes I agree. the rangers park is absolutely amazing...i really love it. it is soooo much better than the P.O.S. they had before. the area is definitely unique....right now there isn't much there because they had to take out an entire neighborhood to break ground on the cowboys stadium. I used to walk to rangers games from my house when I was a kid....that was fun. I do question the traffic though....the freeway system in arlington currently can't handle daily traffic....and isn't up to par with other areas in DFW....especially the two freeways that are adjacent to the stadiums. I don't look forward to going to a cowboys game and getting out of that area. I like the scoreboard idea. I think it will work out as long as it doesn't block the view of the field....

 

[HooverDam]

That stadium looks pretty sweet. From the looks of it, it does a few things better than the retractable roof stadiums that I'm (and Im sure most on this board) are most familiar with (UofP and Chase Field). I like how in the renderings you can see that the endzone areas open up, providing for a more open feel, thats key to me. Most retractable roof stadiums still feel like your indoors, even with the roof open (this is a bigger problem at UoP than Chase).

In this picture of UoP:

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I really hate that part w/ the big Cardinals logo. Why not make that an openable wall/window? The Cardinals facility was designed with too much regard for the external facade (to give it that barrel cactus look) as opposed to the internal. The slits along the top for instance, while I like them and Im glad they let in light, the ones in the Cowboys stadium seem better. They are long, horizontal windows which allow for more light and a more open feeling.

However, even the Cowboys stadium has a roof that doesn't open enough for my taste. I guess for traditions sake they just want the 'hole in the roof' feel, but I prefer designs like that of SafeCo Field:

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Where with the roof open, the majority of the fans have a true outdoor experience. Obviously that sort of design isn't really possible in the Valley because our roofs are designed to keep out heat and not rain, which means they must have large closed off walls, whereas Safeco, even with roof on has open walls:

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Another (in my eyes) drawback to both this Cowboys stadium and UofP is a complete lack of interaction with the street. I suppose this is part of the nature of NFL stadiums, since its now a tradition to have them surrounded by a sea of parking for tailgating in addition to parking, but architecturally, I'm not a fan of it. Chase Field doesn't do a great job of this except for the plaza on its West facade which serves as its main entrance and is a great urban connection to the city. European soccer stadiums (which are built in more dense, urban areas) generally do a better job of this. Football stadiums (especially those built in downtowns/other built up areas) could do a better job of this, but would of course have to move tailgating and related activities to plazas and parking garages roofs.

All in all, it looks like a great design (and I hope no one thinks Im bashing UoP or Chase, they're both well above average but could be slightly better in my opinion).

 

[TruColor]

I really hate that part w/ the big Cardinals logo. Why not make that an openable wall/window? The Cardinals facility was designed with too much regard for the external facade (to give it that barrel cactus look) as opposed to the internal. The slits along the top for instance, while I like them and Im glad they let in light, the ones in the Cowboys stadium seem better. They are long, horizontal windows which allow for more light and a more open feeling...

A moveable wall was part of the early designs (prior to the Glendale/barrel cactus design), but eventually was taken out due to cost.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Thanks for the back up Skorp and PortlandCardFan,for a minute I thought this board was going PC.

If you want to say it... go ahead. It just takes away from anything else that you say. It's lame IMO. To each his own.

 

[Lorenzo]

those are some great thoughts hoover and I agree with you totally. the cowboys as you said are trying to imitate texas stadium a bit with the arches and the hole in the roof. all in all it will clearly be much better than texas stadium....which can be very unfriendly to the fans that attend games there with heat humidity....shadows on the field....ect. I like the opening plazas...that hopefully will bring a uniqueness or an outside feel. unfortunately in arlington there is not much to look at other than the rangers park and the two six flags parks....no mountains or beautiful skyline that might be a factor if this stadium was in downtown dallas. the area is going to be similiar to what you see in glendale although the area there is built up already.

 

[Shane]

I forgot to mention that with the ticket prices JJ is planning on having in that stadium he can have it. Ill take our stadium any freaking day.

 

[Buckybird]

I forgot to mention that with the ticket prices JJ is planning on having in that stadium he can have it. Ill take our stadium any freaking day.

$15,000 to $50,000 PSL's for every seat in the house. Jerry is the and all he thinks of is $$$, making it and spending it.

 

[Lorenzo]

$15,000 to $50,000 PSL's for every seat in the house. Jerry is the and all he thinks of is $$$, making it and spending it.

If you build it they will come. I'm glad he's the cowboys owner.

 

[WildBB]

If you build it they will come. I'm glad he's the cowboys owner.

Not for no 15-50K they won't. Savy fans are too smart for that, even though it might be a stretch for some. But for most who don't live at South Fork Ranch it's rediculous. Where is the owner loyalty? The season ticket holders will be droping like flys.

 

[Lorenzo]

Not for no 15-50K they won't. Savy fans are too smart for that, even though it might be a stretch for some. But for most who don't live at South Fork Ranch it's rediculous. Where is the owner loyalty? The season ticket holders will be droping like flys.

I'm just telling you my opinion which may be meaningless to you which i totally understand. it is supply and demand actually....if people don't pay the prices will go down. the man has kept fans in the seats for years even when the team stunk. Do I wish there was more loyalty from owners to all fans? of course....I wish I could afford to have a floor seat at a mavs or suns regular season game. but if someone else out there is willing to pay top dollar for a seat(s) that's just the way it's going to be. another thing many people fail to realize is that jones is footing a lot of money for the stadium directly out of pocket. this loyalty to fans thing is ridiculous though. do you really think that owners care too much beyond the fact of whether or not fans are spending money at their games or on their teams? there was actually a great debate on this on ESPN radio the other morning.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I guess I am the only one who sees a pending disaster with that huge monstrosity of a scoreboard.

 

[Lorenzo]

I guess I am the only one who sees a pending disaster with that huge monstrosity of a scoreboard.

yeah it's going to block the view or fall on the field? is that what you mean?

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think it could fall. I can't remember the weight they said it was, but hanging from the middle could be a problem.

 

[TruColor]

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/showthread.php?t=82876&highlight=cowboys+stadium

 

[Lorenzo]

I think it could fall. I can't remember the weight they said it was, but hanging from the middle could be a problem.

will if it does fall it will be a major problem.......aside from that it should be fine. all in all it looks like a sweet stadium. as long as it is better than texas stadium that's all I care about......which it will be I think. and it will at least keep some tradition with the similiar look.

 

[WildBB]

this loyalty to fans thing is ridiculous though. do you really think that owners care too much beyond the fact of whether or not fans are spending money at their games or on their teams? there was actually a great debate on this on ESPN radio the other morning.

NO I don't think they care. As a matter of fact they really don't even care IF they sell the out stadiums anymore, allthough they would PREFER if they did.

They get 70-80% hardcore fans and fill the rest up with walkups and single game purchases all charged at superpremium prices. If they get those base $$$$ to keep up with the SUPERFRANCHISES (Yankees,Redsox,Cowboys,Redskins,Lakers,Redwings) Sound Familiar.

What they have in common is the extraordinary side deals that affords them to keep on top for extended periods and down for very short periods. They get around traditional contract structtures that ordinary franchises struggle to keep up with. Which allways up the ante ON THE FANS of the competing cities to keep up. Unfortunately PRO SPORTS has become a race to keep up with the Jonses' or fade into obscurity. Something the Cardinals franchise has been all to familiar with. Now even with a brand new Stadium we are seeing potential problems with competing. With revenue sharing it evens it up a little, but elite franchises bring so much more $$$$ in from other contracts that it really becomes something like a two horse race many years.

The real sad part is that the Sterns of the world really want to keep it that way (Eastern power bases), while Baseball's commisioner Selig trys everything in his power to change it w/o much success. So it stays intact whatever you do. And Stadiums in most markets now stay unfilled, and for owners who charge the premiums for those seats, it's OK.

 

[Lorenzo]

NO I don't think they care. As a matter of fact they really don't even care IF they sell the out stadiums anymore, allthough they would PREFER if they did.

They get 70-80% hardcore fans and fill the rest up with walkups and single game purchases all charged at superpremium prices. If they get those base $$$$ to keep up with the SUPERFRANCHISES (Yankees,Redsox,Cowboys,Redskins,Lakers,Redwings) Sound Familiar.

What they have in common is the extraordinary side deals that affords them to keep on top for extended periods and down for very short periods. They get around traditional contract structtures that ordinary franchises struggle to keep up with. Which allways up the ante ON THE FANS of the competing cities to keep up. Unfortunately PRO SPORTS has become a race to keep up with the Jonses' or fade into obscurity. Something the Cardinals franchise has been all to familiar with. Now even with a brand new Stadium we are seeing potential problems with competing. With revenue sharing it evens it up a little, but elite franchises bring so much more $$$$ in from other contracts that it really becomes something like a two horse race many years.

The real sad part is that the Sterns of the world really want to keep it that way (Eastern power bases), while Baseball's commisioner Selig trys everything in his power to change it w/o much success. So it stays intact whatever you do. And Stadiums in most markets now stay unfilled, and for owners who charge the premiums for those seats, it's OK.

I get your point.. i think. and you and I aren't exactly on the same scope but you are right about what you are saying. there are a lot of things in the nfl and nba that have helped small market teams to name one the salary cap. that in itself is why you see more parity than ever now. I would say the dallas mavericks are a good example of an owner who can come in have a couple of breaks go his way and take a team from the laughing stock to a contender. because he like jerry....has a lot of money.......but he does whatever it takes to help his team. maybe too much if anything.

but my whole thing was... you can't fault a guy who does what ever it takes to keep his stadium full(when the cowboys stunk he lowered ticket prices....and gave special offers during the reg. season to ensure fans came to the games). this is an owner who has a lot of fans(his own) who dislike him and like him respectively. he does whatever it takes to build a winner.....or at least try. that's unlike what fellow dallas owner tom hicks does.....another story. anyway the cowboys have more fans because of their winning history plain and simple. I am a texas rangers fan....and I guarantee you that you will not find rangers fans outside of north texas. but because the cowboys have winning tradition many fans jump on the wagon and jones has more to work with in that regard from a financial aspect. but this is a guy who spends on his team.....if he was stingy with his money I would take more exception with him.

 

[TruColor]

as long as it is better than texas stadium that's all I care about......which it will be I think. and it will at least keep some tradition with the similiar look.

C'mon...Texas Stadium was already a dump when I went to my first game there in 1980...a hot, humid, filthy, moldy pit. They should have replaced it years ago...

 

[Lorenzo]

C'mon...Texas Stadium was already a dump when I went to my first game there in 1980...a hot, humid, filthy, moldy pit. They should have replaced it years ago...

did I say it wasn't? I know.......believe it or not I will miss texas stadium eventhough it is a dump. but for those reasons this stadium will be an upgrade for me. UOP is a great building and certainly isn't anything less.

 

[TruColor]

Sounds like the new name of their place will be AT&T Field:

http://www.star-telegram.com/local/story/577956.html

 

[dreamcastrocks]

$15,000 to $50,000 PSL's for every seat in the house. Jerry is the and all he thinks of is $$$, making it and spending it.

He's only going to force it, for the ones that agree to it. Once the stadium doesn't sell out on those terms, he will recant.

I thought it was obvious.