Coyotes vs Kings round 3 2012 Western Conference Finals

[82CardsGrad]

complete BS

just blowing it off as saying "it's hockey it's dangerous" is a bad position

would you condone smacking someone in the head with their stick? - after all it's dangerous

or how about football ... if a guy is 3 steps out of bounds and gets blown up there shouldn't be any review because football is simply dangerous

Completely irrelevant and out of context comparison attempts...

there is a difference between the danger within the context of the sport and events that are malicious and unnecessary

Agree

this was definitely the later

Totally disagree

of course brown slowed up ... he wasn't going to crash himself into the boards or overskate the puck ... he actually was following the play

hanzal should never have taken that angle to begin with and even once he committed to it missing contact would have been simple if he wanted to - he didn't

Hanzal was smart to take that angle and stay with Brown as there was a chance the puck could've been sent back to Brown, who, if Hanzal had left him would've been wide open just to the side of the net. It would've taken incredible skating skill on par with Gretzky for Hanzal to have avoided Brown. The collission was inevitable and if anything, the best Hanzal could've done is made an attempt to veer off at the last minute to lessen the blow...

he had it in his mind he was going to drill him because he thought the opportunity would present itself ... when it didn't he did it anyway

Disagree and your simply guessing...

to blame this on brown is ridiculous .... regardless if other hits got a suspension or not is irrelevant to this play

Not "blaming" it on Brown... after all, Hanzal is the one who executed the hit. What "caused' the hit to be far worse was Brown's attempt (which of course is logical) to stop, causing Hanzal to crash into him. Again, the best Hanzal could've done was to make a last milli-second attempt to veer off.

just because something else should have also been disciplined doesn't change the dynamic of this play ... the NHL is a little off on how they dole things out ... just because they have gotten it wrong in the past doesn't mean they didn't get it exactly right here

and they did get it exactly right

Disagree... they got it exactly wrong.

if you want to be the lone man in the forest screaming about injustice - go for it .... just understand how it makes you look

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Hanzal was smart to take that angle and stay with Brown as there was a chance the puck could've been sent back to Brown, who, if Hanzal had left him would've been wide open just to the side of the net. It would've taken incredible skating skill on par with Gretzky for Hanzal to have avoided Brown. The collission was inevitable and if anything, the best Hanzal could've done is made an attempt to veer off at the last minute to lessen the blow...

Sent back by who?! Was there an invisible man who was going to send the puck back to Brown?

When the puck was played into the kings offensive zone there were 4 coyotes, the goalie and brown

One of the coyotes stayed back at the blue line and 3 pursued the play

At the point of contact the only other king remotely in the area was a guy on the opposite boards and still above the face off circle

So again - who exactly was going to play it back to brown?! - it was him, the puck and boards

Watch yandle on the play (you know the guy who actually took the angle to recover the puck) and morris (the guy who played the play and took away the pass that could potentially go in front of the net)

there was no shooting agle from where brown coudl have gotten the puck - so no, he couldn't have gotten off a wide angle shot from the side of the net ... he would have gotten the puck with 2 coyotes on him about on a line with the back of the net with morris cutting off the pass towards the front of the net and really no place to move the puck as he was really the only guy in the zone

And even if for some weird reason he couldn't stop, change his angle, etc - that still provides zero excuse from putting his hands on the top of his numbers and shoving him into the boards

right before impact he lifts his gloves and puts one on the top of the "2" and the other on top of the "3" and rams him into the boards

even if you couldn't stop there is zero reason or excuse to do that - it's not like he simply ran into him, or collided with him because of his momentum ......... he clearly saw the back of his jersey, new the position they were on the ice and used his hands to drive him into the glass

 

[82CardsGrad]

Sent back by who?! Was there an invisible man who was going to send the puck back to Brown?

When the puck was played into the kings offensive zone there were 4 coyotes, the goalie and brown

One of the coyotes stayed back at the blue line and 3 pursued the play

At the point of contact the only other king remotely in the area was a guy on the opposite boards and still above the face off circle

So again - who exactly was going to play it back to brown?! - it was him, the puck and boards

Watch yandle on the play (you know the guy who actually took the angle to recover the puck) and morris (the guy who played the play and took away the pass that could potentially go in front of the net)

there was no shooting agle from where brown coudl have gotten the puck - so no, he couldn't have gotten off a wide angle shot from the side of the net ... he would have gotten the puck with 2 coyotes on him about on a line with the back of the net with morris cutting off the pass towards the front of the net and really no place to move the puck as he was really the only guy in the zone

And even if for some weird reason he couldn't stop, change his angle, etc - that still provides zero excuse from putting his hands on the top of his numbers and shoving him into the boards

right before impact he lifts his gloves and puts one on the top of the "2" and the other on top of the "3" and rams him into the boards

even if you couldn't stop there is zero reason or excuse to do that - it's not like he simply ran into him, or collided with him because of his momentum ......... he clearly saw the back of his jersey, new the position they were on the ice and used his hands to drive him into the glass

1.) It's not at all unreasonable to anticipate that, either the puck could've ended up back with Brown, and/or that Brown himself could've ended up in front of the net. Hanzal was trailing "his" guy and rightfully so. Had Brown ended up with the puck or went to the net and eventually scored, Hanzal would've been called out for not staying with "his" guy.

2.) The hit was a hard hit. And yes, Brown was hit from behind and sent into the boards. 5 minute game misconduct is warranted... However, I'll remain with my position that Brown's attempt to stop himself led to the collission being as agregious as it was. It's like a driver in a car riding too close to the car in front of him. The car in front stops and the trailing car rams into the stopped car. Rear-end collissions are almost always attribute the fault to the trailing car. But of course, had the car in front not stopped, there wouldn't have been a collission.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

1.) It's not at all unreasonable to anticipate that, either the puck could've ended up back with Brown, and/or that Brown himself could've ended up in front of the net. Hanzal was trailing "his" guy and rightfully so. Had Brown ended up with the puck or went to the net and eventually scored, Hanzal would've been called out for not staying with "his" guy.

Please explain how this could happen

You had 1 guy, 1 puck and 3 coyotes

If the puck ends up back with brown he is behind the net, near the corner with a coyote on either side of him and another coyote cutting off the passing lane toward the net

If brown breaks off and just goes to the front of the net there is no one there to center the puck to him .... unless one of the 3 coyotes in coverage was feeling generous

Unless you are suggesting that brown recovers the puck, then is able to stick handle through 3 players and take it from the boards to the front of the net and then be able to score?! - i guess it's maybe, potentially, possible - because anything is possible, but you don't set up your coverage on an event that is so remote and you sure as crap don't put your team a man down for 5 minutes to prevent an outcome that is so remote

they had him triangled in with 3 different players - there was nothing immediate he could do and no reason why the coyotes couldn't have sealed him, taken the puck and set it up in the other direction

You keep talking like there was another king in the area who could have helped him out ("puck could've been sent back to brown" - "puck could have ended up back with brown")

There simply wasn't - he played the puck into the zone, chased it and it was only him who could recover it or play it to someone and coverage was more than adequete to eliminate this

2.) The hit was a hard hit. And yes, Brown was hit from behind and sent into the boards. 5 minute game misconduct is warranted... However, I'll remain with my position that Brown's attempt to stop himself led to the collission being as agregious as it was. It's like a driver in a car riding too close to the car in front of him. The car in front stops and the trailing car rams into the stopped car. Rear-end collissions are almost always attribute the fault to the trailing car. But of course, had the car in front not stopped, there wouldn't have been a collission.

No, it's like a rear end collision where instead of the trailing car attempted to stop or minimize contact he says "f'it - i'm hitting the gas"

Also, in a car crash both parties eat the impact - in this it didn't hurt hanzal at all - he didn't absorb any impact

So a pretty weak comparison

What led this collision to being as bad as it was is due to one thing and one thing only - hanzal putting one hand on the "2" and one hand on the "3" and running him face first into the glass ...... he doesn't do that and he plays today - simple as that

 

[82CardsGrad]

Please explain how this could happen

You had 1 guy, 1 puck and 3 coyotes

If the puck ends up back with brown he is behind the net, near the corner with a coyote on either side of him and another coyote cutting off the passing lane toward the net

If brown breaks off and just goes to the front of the net there is no one there to center the puck to him .... unless one of the 3 coyotes in coverage was feeling generous

Unless you are suggesting that brown recovers the puck, then is able to stick handle through 3 players and take it from the boards to the front of the net and then be able to score?! - i guess it's maybe, potentially, possible - because anything is possible, but you don't set up your coverage on an event that is so remote and you sure as crap don't put your team a man down for 5 minutes to prevent an outcome that is so remote

they had him triangled in with 3 different players - there was nothing immediate he could do and no reason why the coyotes couldn't have sealed him, taken the puck and set it up in the other direction

You keep talking like there was another king in the area who could have helped him out ("puck could've been sent back to brown" - "puck could have ended up back with brown")

There simply wasn't - he played the puck into the zone, chased it and it was only him who could recover it or play it to someone and coverage was more than adequete to eliminate this

LOL... you make it sound as if it was 5 Yotes on the ice versus 1 king. The Kings were in the middle of a line change. At the time the puck got to the side of the net, there were more Kings stepping onto the ice and at least 1 who had skated past the blue line.
Further, anytime the puck is that close to the net, anything is possible and it's not at all uncommon for the puck to suddenly end up in the net, or on the stick of an opponent.
Hanzal did exactly what he was supposed to do. Stay with the guy who was closest to the puck which was extremely close to the net.

No, it's like a rear end collision where instead of the trailing car attempted to stop or minimize contact he says "f'it - i'm hitting the gas"

Also, in a car crash both parties eat the impact - in this it didn't hurt hanzal at all - he didn't absorb any impact

So a pretty weak comparison

What led this collision to being as bad as it was is due to one thing and one thing only - hanzal putting one hand on the "2" and one hand on the "3" and running him face first into the glass ...... he doesn't do that and he plays today - simple as that

Hanzal didn't speed up... in fact, if anything, he continued to skate in the precise direction of the puck! Brown actually skated INTO the path Hanzal had established. Not sure if you are watching a replay of the hit, as if you are, it's unmistakable... They actually met up / their paths crossed right at the moment of the hit.
I am NOT suggesting that Hanzal shouldn't have been penalized. Bottom line is it was a hard hit from behind that caused a guy to crash into the boards. The rules are very clear about that. However, given the circumstancs at play here where Brown skated INTO a path already established by Hanzal, and then attempted to stop short right in front of Hanzal, I refuse to see this as suspension worthy... It's just not.

 

[puckhead]

I could be off here, but you seem to be taking this personally, M.O. Why?

The decision to check Brown was made in less than a second and Marty was flying. He can't exactly pull the chute if you know what I mean. You're assuming Marty knew the line change was on and the Yotes had numbers. Brown could've just as easily stayed perpendicular to Marty and contact would've been on the shoulder. This game is way too fast to be second-guessing someone's intent. Personally I think if Marty wanted to, he could've easily put all of his weight into the hit and I guarantee you Brown would have gone off in a stretcher.

What he did was illegal. He got 5 and a misconduct. They added a game and it could've gone either way based on similar hits in the playoffs. It's the playoffs, spit happens.

 

[MigratingOsprey]

LOL... you make it sound as if it was 5 Yotes on the ice versus 1 king. The Kings were in the middle of a line change. At the time the puck got to the side of the net, there were more Kings stepping onto the ice and at least 1 who had skated past the blue line.
Further, anytime the puck is that close to the net, anything is possible and it's not at all uncommon for the puck to suddenly end up in the net, or on the stick of an opponent.
Hanzal did exactly what he was supposed to do. Stay with the guy who was closest to the puck which was extremely close to the net.
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This is going no where

Still wondering who is going to center it back to brown..............

it was 3 on 1 at the point of the play

you cannot argue this

if hanzal did "exactly" what he was supposed to do he would have finished that game and would be playing tonight

unless you are suggesting that boarding someone is "exactly" what you are supposed to do

that it's wise to put your team a man down for 5 minutes on a play that was going nowhere

seriously - watch the replay and pause it before the impact

yandle comes in to take away the area behind the net - morris sets up to remove the cross ice pass & play towards the goal

that leaves hanzal - he could/should complete that seal - keep the puck from being played through him or down the other board .... however, even if it went down the near board it would be away from the bench and the coyotes still had coverage there as the 4th coyotes who was at the start of the play broke off and did what he was supposed to do as well - wait for an outlet/support

so please explain how this play was going anywhere or why it was necessary to board the guy?

no one is saying hanzal should break off pursuit or not be in on the play

all that is being said is that it was uncessary for him to lift his hands up, put them in the upper middle of browns back and shove him face first into the boards

 

[82CardsGrad]

I could be off here, but you seem to be taking this personally, M.O. Why?

The decision to check Brown was made in less than a second and Marty was flying. He can't exactly pull the chute if you know what I mean. You're assuming Marty knew the line change was on and the Yotes had numbers. Brown could've just as easily stayed perpendicular to Marty and contact would've been on the shoulder. This game is way too fast to be second-guessing someone's intent. Personally I think if Marty wanted to, he could've easily put all of his weight into the hit and I guarantee you Brown would have gone off in a stretcher.

What he did was illegal. He got 5 and a misconduct. They added a game and it could've gone either way based on similar hits in the playoffs. It's the playoffs, spit happens.

Well said pucky!

 

[82CardsGrad]

This is going no where

Still wondering who is going to center it back to brown..............

it was 3 on 1 at the point of the play

you cannot argue this

if hanzal did "exactly" what he was supposed to do he would have finished that game and would be playing tonight

unless you are suggesting that boarding someone is "exactly" what you are supposed to do

that it's wise to put your team a man down for 5 minutes on a play that was going nowhere

seriously - watch the replay and pause it before the impact

yandle comes in to take away the area behind the net - morris sets up to remove the cross ice pass & play towards the goal

that leaves hanzal - he could/should complete that seal - keep the puck from being played through him or down the other board .... however, even if it went down the near board it would be away from the bench and the coyotes still had coverage there as the 4th coyotes who was at the start of the play broke off and did what he was supposed to do as well - wait for an outlet/support

so please explain how this play was going anywhere or why it was necessary to board the guy?

no one is saying hanzal should break off pursuit or not be in on the play

all that is being said is that it was uncessary for him to lift his hands up, put them in the upper middle of browns back and shove him face first into the boards

You're attributing super-human vision capabilities to Hanzal dude... as, how are you so certain he knew the Kings were in the midst of a line change??

 

[MigratingOsprey]

You're assuming Marty knew the line change was on and the Yotes had numbers.

he had to have known - he skated with 2 guys at his side ... if he lacks that level of awareness to the play he should be suspended for life - shoot, the guy was at the blueline, looked to his right where he had to see the change and then took the middle position between two teamates ..... pretty easy to see

it's just frustrating that something that is pretty clear cut gets argued by members of a fan base - who then turns around and ******* when one of their guys gets run

the NHL needs to consistently enforce these across the board and fans/players need to be consistent in their outrage

it was an uncessary hit and was dealt with as such - to suggest otherwise is simply outlandish and completely unintelligent - which i find irritating

 

[MigratingOsprey]

You're attributing super-human vision capabilities to Hanzal dude... as, how are you so certain he knew the Kings were in the midst of a line change??

not really

watch the replay

brown beats a guy at the blue line and send it into the offensive zone

the kings change is in process which is why brown is making the play he is

"11" for the kings is peeling back towards the bench

the puck is being sent to the corner away from the bench

the coyotes have the only players in the zone (obviously - if they didn't it would be offside) - but they did have a guy standing mid ice just inside the blue line

he skates inbetween morris & yandle on the play

pretty obvious stuff

 

[82CardsGrad]

not really

watch the replay

brown beats a guy at the blue line and send it into the offensive zone

the kings change is in process which is why brown is making the play he is

"11" for the kings is peeling back towards the bench

the puck is being sent to the corner away from the bench

the coyotes have the only players in the zone (obviously - if they didn't it would be offside) - but they did have a guy standing mid ice just inside the blue line

he skates inbetween morris & yandle on the play

pretty obvious stuff

Like you said - this is going nowhere...

- You now claim with certainty that Brown "made the play he made" because the Kings were in a line change. Don't you think Brown could've also made the play he made because he saw an oppty to get the puck deep into the Yotes zone? Are you 100% certain that Brown was aware of the line change himself??

- You didn't comment on the fact that it was Brown himself who skated into the already established path of Hanzal.

MO - let's just agree to disagree here buddy... I realize I'm not going to convince you that the suspension is a reach. And I'm sure you realize you're not going to convince me the suspension is justified.

GO YOTES!!!

 

[puckhead]

he had to have known - he skated with 2 guys at his side ... if he lacks that level of awareness to the play he should be suspended for life - shoot, the guy was at the blueline, looked to his right where he had to see the change and then took the middle position between two teamates ..... pretty easy to see

Nothing in the NHL looks easy to me.

it's just frustrating that something that is pretty clear cut gets argued by members of a fan base - who then turns around and ******* when one of their guys gets run

I guess I missed that.

the NHL needs to consistently enforce these across the board and fans/players need to be consistent in their outrage

Agree with A, B isn't very likely in our lifetime.

it was an uncessary hit and was dealt with as such - to suggest otherwise is simply outlandish and completely unintelligent - which i find irritating

If that's the most irritation you have in life, then I think you're doing pretty well for yourself.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Best period of the series, but need goals now

 

[BillsCarnage]

the coyotes have the only players in the zone (obviously - if they didn't it would be offside) - but they did have a guy standing mid ice just inside the blue line

he skates inbetween morris & yandle on the play

pretty obvious stuff

Yes it was an obvious boarding.

I like how the Yotes have come out in the 1st period, but i get the sense the Kings are starting to get their legs going and into rhythm.

On a side note all the broadcast needs is Nash and it would be an all Coyote (former, sans Nash) crew...

 

[MigratingOsprey]

Yeah .. Encouraging first period ....keep it up and they may start to frustrate the kings ..... It's the way they have to play though

 

[Lefty]

I couldn't enjoy the 1-0 Coyotes lead for too long. Need to get the lead back.

 

[Lefty]

Down 2-1 in the third. It's now or never.

 

[Lefty]

Kings dominating the third period but only down one goal.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

Korpikoski absolutely can't miss an opportunity like that

 

[Lefty]

Like I said a few weeks ago, the freakin' Kings are the San Antonio Spurs of the NHL, a bunch of floppers.

 

[coyoteshockeyfan]

More Laker Rules. Doan gets tackled without a call

 

[Lefty]

The refs suck. That was a clear takedown. I'm sure NBC wants a LA vs New York finals.

 

[BillsCarnage]

More Laker Rules. Doan gets tackled without a call

Maybe Doughty was trying out for the LA Vikings



Yeah, NHL is chomping at the bit for an LA/NY Final...

 

[TJ]

The refs suck. That was a clear takedown. I'm sure NBC wants a LA vs New York finals.

Yup. NHL wants to be relevant again and get contracts with major networks like it did before the strike. A NY/LA series would only help