Cutting Lunacy

[Pariah]

There is some serious bandwidth on this site devoted to cutting players that aren't performing to the fan's liking. In some cases, I think this is crazy talk.

Rackers. Is he playing lights out like he did last year? No. Has he had some costly misses? Yes. Should we cut him? No. That's crazy talk. Who would you replace him with?

Davis. Now, here's a worthy conversation. He's not earning his ginourmous salary. Unfortunately, we're entering the waekest FA period for tackles that I can remember. If the Cards cut Davis to save the Bidwills a few more bucks, who starts? and, more importantly is the team on the field better off for it?

It wasn't too long ago that people wanted Wilson's head on a platter, and even more recently, Dansbys. Cutting either of these players also falls into the "lunacy" category, IMO.

 

[Billy Flynt]

Davis. Now, here's a worthy conversation. He's not earning his ginourmous salary. Unfortunately, we're entering the waekest FA period for tackles that I can remember. If the Cards cut Davis to save the Bidwills a few more bucks, who starts? and, more importantly is the team on the field better off for it?

Actually it is a question of whether we resign him or not. He will be a FA after this season.

 

[jefftheshark]

There is some serious bandwidth on this site devoted to cutting players that aren't performing to the fan's liking. In some cases, I think this is crazy talk.

Rackers. Is he playing lights out like he did last year? No. Has he had some costly misses? Yes. Should we cut him? No. That's crazy talk. Who would you replace him with?

Davis. Now, here's a worthy conversation. He's not earning his ginourmous salary. Unfortunately, we're entering the waekest FA period for tackles that I can remember. If the Cards cut Davis to save the Bidwills a few more bucks, who starts? and, more importantly is the team on the field better off for it?

It wasn't too long ago that people wanted Wilson's head on a platter, and even more recently, Dansbys. Cutting either of these players also falls into the "lunacy" category, IMO.

I would like to see us upgrade the LT position next year either through a trade or the draft, instead of hoping that the light finally goes on for Davis. If that makes me crazy, then so be it.

The Shark

 

[Pariah]

I would like to see us upgrade the LT position next year

Who wouldn't. But, what if we can't?--'cause that's the way it's headed.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Regardless of Big's salary, he's easily our best OL. Lunacy,to me, would be letting your best OL hit the market when the OL is your weakest link on the team. I think i'd let the weak links go. I agree about Dansby and Wilson. Hopefully, we draft a LT and move Big inside or to RT.

 

[Shane]

Regardless of Big's salary, he's easily our best OL. Lunacy,to me, would be letting your best OL hit the market when the OL is your weakest link on the team. I think i'd let the weak links go. I agree about Dansby and Wilson. Hopefully, we draft a LT and move Big inside or to RT.

Your post makes no snese because Davis is a weak link as well. Him being better than the others isnt saying much or doing a whole lot to back up your argument that he shouldnt be let go. There are many rooks in the NFL that have played very well this year.

 

[Pariah]

Your post makes no snese because Davis is a weak link as well. Him being better than the others isnt saying much or doing a whole lot to back up your argument that he shouldnt be let go. There are many rooks in the NFL that have played very well this year.

Why not draft a rookie AND franchise Big? We aren't going to be in a position where we'll be strapped for cash, and it would guard against the rookie not panning out.

I'm all for trying to upgrade the position. I'm just not in favor of jumping out of a plane and only then checking to see if the parachute works.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Your post makes no snese because Davis is a weak link as well. Him being better than the others isnt saying much or doing a whole lot to back up your argument that he shouldnt be let go. There are many rooks in the NFL that have played very well this year.

I guess i just disagree about Big being a weak link. I think guys Like Wells, Leckey, and Step are the weak links. I would let them go and get some quality to go with Big, Lutui, and Brown.

 

[CardLogic]

Why not draft a rookie AND franchise Big? We aren't going to be in a position where we'll be strapped for cash, and it would guard against the rookie not panning out.

I'm all for trying to upgrade the position. I'm just not in favor of jumping out of a plane and only then checking to see if the parachute works.

This is the situation in a nutshell! Any talk of letting Big walk without a reasonable alternative at tackle is as you said, "Lunacy!"

 

[RON_IN_OC]

There is some serious bandwidth on this site devoted to cutting players that aren't performing to the fan's liking. In some cases, I think this is crazy talk.

Rackers. Is he playing lights out like he did last year? No. Has he had some costly misses? Yes. Should we cut him? No. That's crazy talk. Who would you replace him with?

Davis. Now, here's a worthy conversation. He's not earning his ginourmous salary. Unfortunately, we're entering the waekest FA period for tackles that I can remember. If the Cards cut Davis to save the Bidwills a few more bucks, who starts? and, more importantly is the team on the field better off for it?

It wasn't too long ago that people wanted Wilson's head on a platter, and even more recently, Dansbys. Cutting either of these players also falls into the "lunacy" category, IMO.

Finally, some sensible talk!

 

[vinnymac]

personally i don't think any of our offensive line should be retain accept for lutui. he stills has an upside. 7 running plays this whole damn game. that says your offensive line sucks. especially if they can't open holes for james.

 

[Stout]

Unless he's willing to move to guard, you absolutely must let Davis go and, looking at the FA tackle market, draft a LT in the first round. I'm sorry, but Davis as LT is a failure, and we cannot bring him back at that position, whatever the rationale, and expect to have success next season.

 

[Pariah]

I'm sorry, but Davis as LT is a failure

He certainly hasn't met expectations, but he's a shoe-in for the starting spot (for most positions along the line in addition to LT) on at least half the teams in the NFL. We shouldn't let him walk simply because he hasn't lived up to his billing as a top draft selection...especially since we don't have a proven player to replace him with.

If we can manage a trade for a decent starter, then okay, get him off the roster. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction, IMO.

 

[Stout]

He certainly hasn't met expectations, but he's a shoe-in for the starting spot (for most positions along the line in addition to LT) on at least half the teams in the NFL. We shouldn't let him walk simply because he hasn't lived up to his billing as a top draft selection...especially since we don't have a proven player to replace him with.

If we can manage a trade for a decent starter, then okay, get him off the roster. Otherwise, it's a knee-jerk reaction, IMO.

I agree he'd be a very good guard on many NFL teams. I laugh that he'd be a starting LT on at least half the teams in the NFL. He just isn't good. He can't handle pass rush specialists, lacks consistency, and absolutely kills the team with dumb mistakes. He's the Jake of the O-line.

 

[JeffGollin]

When evaluating any player move, the overriding issue must be: "Will the move net out improving our football team?"

If you let Leonard Davis move on, who'll play LT? If we draft a blue-chip tackle, will he be game-ready from Day #1? Or will we lose still another year developing our offensive line?

Do we have enough young talent to pretty much stick with the linemen we've got? Or do we need to come in with a broad new broom?

What will we expect from our offensive linemen next season? Do we want mobile guys who can block in space and execute stretch plays? Or do we plan to revert to straight ahead power blocking calling for big strong guys who can move the pile?

Leonard Davis has not turned out to be the second coming of Tony Boselli, and he is "snap-challenged. But he is a very big, very strong man and a good teammate.

What we should be asking ourselves is: "What role can Big play best in a new Cardinal offensive line. (Quite possibly, it might be to man LT for one more year while a newbie we draft learns the position).

From my perspective (and it's probably not saying much), Leonard is the best lineman we've got (with Deuce the next best based on potential). We've got a huge hole to dig our way out of talent-wise, and not re-signing Big may not be a good idea.

 

[Duckjake]

Leonard is the best lineman we've got (with Deuce the next best based on potential). We've got a huge hole to dig our way out of talent-wise, and not re-signing Big may not be a good idea.

Duece is our best offensive lineman based on the simple fact that he's a Cardinal fan like us.

 

[Stout]

What we should be asking ourselves is: "What role can Big play best in a new Cardinal offensive line.

Exactly. I think he can be a tremendous starting guard. I don't think we can make the playoffs with him as starting LT. Since the playoffs should be our goal next year, we need a new starting LT. I'm pretty sure if we draft the guy we want and he can be as good as projected, we can make the playoffs. That would involve proper scouting and good coaching. Hopefully we'll have that.

 

[Pariah]

What we should be asking ourselves is: "What role can Big play best in a new Cardinal offensive line.

In addition to G, I think he could play RT much more effectively than LT, also.

 

[JeffGollin]

I agree with both Pariah and Stout - that LD would be more effective at guard or RT.

The game has changed since we signed him. RDE's are lighter and quick as a hiccup. Big, strong physical guys who may not have the quickest of feet may not be the answer at LT anymore.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

There is some serious bandwidth on this site devoted to cutting players that aren't performing to the fan's liking. In some cases, I think this is crazy talk.

Rackers. Is he playing lights out like he did last year? No. Has he had some costly misses? Yes. Should we cut him? No. That's crazy talk. Who would you replace him with?

Vanderjagt? Not saying that it would definitely be an upgrade, but now you at least have someone to replace him with.

 

[Pariah]

Vanderjagt? Not saying that it would definitely be an upgrade, but now you at least have someone to replace him with.

If it's not an upgrade, then why do it?

 

[dreamcastrocks]

If it's not an upgrade, then why do it?

He would be an upgrade, depending on who you ask. Just like having Steve Mariucci as our next coach.

 

[earthsci]

He would be an upgrade, depending on who you ask. Just like having Steve Mariucci as our next coach.

Vanderjagt barely has a higher percentage because he has tried fewer FGs from 50+ yards. Rackers hasn't missed any from less than 40 while Vanderjagt has missed two.

Making rash decisions like that will having you reflecting on things like this -
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/delgralx01.htm