D-Backs forced to sell out - Empty seats force ploys for revenue

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Bank One Ballpark has become a flea market. If it's not nailed down, it probably has a price tag.

This new policy of selling everything in sight, from batting practice to throwing out the first pitch, is beyond offensive.

It's crude. It's ugly. It's the final frontier in the total commercialization of sports.

Yet as much as I'd love to barbecue the new regime for taking a giant slurp at the trough, I can't say I blame them.

If you haven't noticed, the turnstiles are growing rusty at BOB. Already in the midst of a precipitous three-year decline in attendance, the Diamondbacks were averaging only 26,812 fans per game through 16 home dates. They are one of 12 teams operating under 55 percent capacity.

You say it's early? Sorry, those excuses are reserved for cold-weather cities.

The schedule has been unattractive? Sorry, they opened with the Cubs and already have hosted series against the Giants and the Dodgers.

You're waiting to see if they're any good? Sorry, they've been consistently good from the start, lingering on the doorstep of first place.

Ticket prices are too high and you'd rather watch the Suns on TV? Fine, I'll buy that one.

Problem is, this is not a temporary problem. From 2002-2004, overall attendance at BOB has dipped from an average of 39,494 (second in the National League) to 34,636 (fifth) to 31,106 (eighth). This year, early numbers are an accountant's nightmare.

The 16-game total of 428,989 tickets sold is more than 100,000 off last year's pace, when 531,423 tickets were purchased through the same number of dates. In 2003, the Diamondbacks sold 521,963 tickets through 16 games.

What's worse, the five smallest crowds in Arizona history have all occurred in the early stages of 2005, including three games when less than 20,000 tickets were sold.

Because these numbers all reflect paid attendance, not actual bodies in the seats, the issue is getting very slippery.


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after last year's debacle and the fair weather fans of arizona, they shouldnt be suprised. it's going to be after the all-star break before they see a rise in attendance
 

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i was extremely suprised to see all those empty seats. they had heavily marketed today for Mother's Day.
 

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NickelBack said:
BOB was a morgue today...it was awful!
Especially for those few fans who stuck around for the 12-run 8th-9th innings, huh.
 

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Itll pick up. Our typical fair weather fan, wont start to peak interesting until after May is over and we have a good amount of the season underway. Then they will see this team is in contention and we will be back to the old days...
 

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You say it's early? Sorry, those excuses are reserved for cold-weather cities.

The schedule has been unattractive? Sorry, they opened with the Cubs and already have hosted series against the Giants and the Dodgers.

You're waiting to see if they're any good? Sorry, they've been consistently good from the start, lingering on the doorstep of first place.

Usually don't agree with hime, but Bicley makes some good points here.
 
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This team is boring. There are no personalities.
 

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Can you imagine if the Cardinals did this? They would be absolutely destroyed by every media outlet in metropolitan Phoenix, not to mention the potshots the national media would get in.
 

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This is just going to continue. The average fan has been priced out of professional sports. It'll keep getting worse until ticket prices come down to reasonable levels.
 

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mao ... the cards infact do this

last year the cards averaged 37,533 ... dead last and the only team in the NFL to average under 50k

so far this year the D'Backs are averaging 26,094, 53% capacity for 17th in the league

last year they averaged 31,105 for 64% capicity .. the 14th highest average in the league

although % of the stadium filled is similar ... it's the average across the league that kills the cards in the media .... the d'backs are middle of the pack ... the cards are the worst and it isn't even close

as a marlins fan I'm very frusterated about their attendance and the fight for a new stadium

the d'backs will get better #s as the year progresses ... i do agree that there really isn't that captivating player ... LuGo has lost a lot of his appeal ... green and glaus are the quiet star kind of guys ..... webb and vasquez are quiet ...

i still like to go to the games though ...... ticket prices aren't bad .. parking and concessions suck ... but the gate is very reasonable
 

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WizardOfAz said:
the Diamondbacks were averaging only 26,812 fans per game through 16 home dates. They are one of 12 teams operating under 55 percent capacity.

They are now averaging 25,629 fans per game and BOB percent of capcity has dropped to 52.3
 

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WizardOfAz said:
Padres in town - 1st and 2nd place teams - and the largest crowd was 22,000?!?
Maybe people are waiting to see if the ballpark will remain the BOB or be changed to Chase Park. (That sounds like a day at the greyhound races.) :biglaugh:
 

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WizardOfAz said:
Padres in town - 1st and 2nd place teams - and the largest crowd was 22,000?!?

The DBacks won 50 games last year. That hurt the hell out of this team for ticket sales. People are not going to start racing back to the park in May.
 
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The DBacks won 50 games last year. That hurt the hell out of this team for ticket sales. People are not going to start racing back to the park in May.

That's part of it, I suppose.

I also think that the nature of 'the ownership change' is also part of it.

The Suns nice run is also part of it.

It still doesn't reflect well on the franchise that all the better they can draw for a match-up like they just had.
 

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Taking the family of four to a game has gotten very expensive. I don't think people have as much money as they used to spend on family entertainment.


Gas is more.
Homes cost more.
Most things cost more.


I also think that some people are taking their entertainment dollar and going to a Suns playoff game. a playoff game for a family of four probably cost as much as two or three family trips to the BOB.
 

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Toro said:
Taking the family of four to a game has gotten very expensive. I don't think people have as much money as they used to spend on family entertainment.


Gas is more.
Homes cost more.
Most things cost more.

Really?!? D'Backs Padres drew 66,655 at BOB this week for a three game series of the first and second teams. Meanwhile the D'Backs drew 83,377 at Detroit last week for a three games set. So, do people in Detroit have more money than people in Phoenix or are the D'backs are just a big draw in Detroit?
 

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NickelBack said:
Really?!? D'Backs Padres drew 66,655 at BOB this week for a three game series of the first and second teams. Meanwhile the D'Backs drew 83,377 at Detroit last week for a three games set. So, do people in Detroit have more money than people in Phoenix or are the D'backs are just a big draw in Detroit?

Well.. wouldnt Interleague baseball have something to account for how high the attendance was for last weekend's Dbacks-Tigers? I think so.....Especially since there was a significance increase in over-all attendance last week because of the Interleague baseball popularity...

And didnt the Tigers draw these attendance totals for the 3 games prior to that?

5/17-15,955
5/18-17,414
5/19-20,355

Wow.... they're really "coming-out in droves" in Detroit, arent they?
 

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Well.. wouldnt Interleague baseball have something to account for how high the attendance was for last weekend's Dbacks-Tigers? I think so.....Especially since there was a significance increase in over-all attendance last week because of the Interleague baseball popularity...

And didnt the Tigers draw these attendance totals for the 3 games prior to that?

5/17-15,955
5/18-17,414
5/19-20,355

Wow.... they're really "coming-out in droves" in Detroit, arent they?


Alrighty then, so we still haven't figured why a 1st place/2nd Place march up at BOB drew what it did then, did we?

And, by the way. using your logic the Tigers/D'Backs should be a really hot ticket next month in Phoenix!
 

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NickelBack said:
Alrighty then, so we still haven't figured why a 1st place/2nd Place march up at BOB drew what it did then, did we?

And, by the way. using your logic the Tigers/D'Backs should be a really hot ticket next month in Phoenix!

I know you and WizardofAZ are both originally from Detroit (similar to myself), but I opted to convert all my loyalties to all the professional AZ teams... In contrasts, I read most of yours and his posts and it seems you both troll a lot (always trying to post the negatives about the team regardless of how well they may be performing), but yet whenever the Tigers are doing well..the both of you make it a point to post about it on here....

I'm unaware of the prices of Tigers, but it is a proven fact that Interleague baseball games in general have attracted a record number of fans this past year....

Attendance has also been on a decline in most entertainment venues (not just limited to sporting events)......
 

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KLL said:
(always trying to post the negatives about the team regardless of how well they may be performing),

Actually with all of the research that you've done, I am surprised that you missed the fact that I pointed out that the series just completed at BOB was 1st Place versus 2nd Place - a real slam there I know.


KLL said:
I'm unaware of the prices of Tigers, but it is a proven fact that Interleague baseball games in general have attracted a record number of fans this past year....

13% more fans at inter-league games than non last year.


KLL said:
I'm unaware of the prices of Tigers, .

Surprising, with all of the research you done on the history of my posts I thought you would look it up. Here you go:

http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/det/ticketing/seating_pricing.jsp


KLL said:
The truth is...you made a comment that Detroit was attracting several more fans to their games if as though they were doing it on a regular basis

No my comment was that the D'Backs were a better draw in Detroit than they have been in Phoenix. And I could have said the same thing about when they went to Houston as well.
 
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NickelBack said:
Actually with all of the research that you've done, I am surprised that you missed the fact that I pointed out that the series just completed at BOB was 1st Place versus 2nd Place - a real slam there I know.

Oh.. it's not a slam, but the reality... something that obviously couldnt be disputed really....

The truth is...you made a comment that Detroit was attracting several more fans to their games if as though they were doing it on a regular basis, however, you were merely basing it all on a "small sample size".......
 

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The discrepancy is not that hard to understand guys. The Tigers-Dbacks series was on a weekend, the Padres-Dbacks series was during the work/school week. That's the difference, I suspect the Dbacks will draw about 90K this weekend. Also Nickel and Wiz, not many people take 1st and 2nd place all that seriously in May.
 

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