Danny Granger- Nate Robinson

[coloradosun]

Two guys that are leading their teams to the tournament

Danny Granger outdueled Andrew Bogut to win the Mountain West Tournament MVP. 28 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists and 2-3 3pt. He could fit in well in the Suns system.

Nate Robinson although he is only listed at 5'9" has a 43 inch vertical leap. Penetrates into the lane and dishes out. After watching what Earl Boykins can do all season and what he did to Nash last night might lead me to believe that he could have the same type of impact off the Suns bench.

I did not get a chance to see the Utah/New Mexico game but did see the Wash/Arizona game. If Robinson comes out and slips to the 2nd round I think he could be a possiblity for the Suns.

 

[Chaplin]

Nate Robinson is listed as 5'9", but he's probably more like 5'7". I'd rather have someone a little bit bigger.

 

[coloradosun]

The possiblity among second round point guards might come down to these 3, Robinson, Ewing and Diener. Of the 3 I would like to give Diener a try but could settle for the other 2. Robinson is only a junior but my guess is that he would probably come out because his stock is at its peak.

Granger has been very steady over the last 3 years averaging 19.3 pts and 8.5 rebounds, to be honest never heard of the guy before this season. I am looking forward to watching him in the tournament.

My preferences for next summer are Graham and Diener but would be willing to settle for Granger and Robinson.

 

[PhxGametime]

I really like Danny Granger, he reminds me of Rashard Lewis. He can back-up the 3/4 positions but right now he'd cover Marion at the 4 (Suns have plenty of wings) and he'd be a good choice... I'd like to find a 4/5 that can cover both Marion and Stoudemire incase of injury but most likely the top rated will have already been Drafted.

Johnson, Barbosa, and Jackson can cover Nash now - so I'm leaning to a rebounder although a PG could help a lot.


I have Granger with 3PT ability slightly over Warrick, and Graham a short distance 3rd. I'm not sure of the 4/5 other than a Frye type of Prospect...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

graham or granger with the chicago pick would be okay. would still rather have simien i think. with the second rounder i'd love to pick up nate robinson. did anyone see the put back dunk he had over frye (even though i was disallowed)? my god the hops on that dude. i also think he'd just continue to push the ball like nash does. he'd be like a smaller bobby jackson i think.

 

[scotsman13]

i personally dont think we should even look at a pg. we have barbs, nash and milos that we can and maybe have next year on top of jj who can play some point.

what i really want is a 6'11" 265, 270 power forward/center who is just nasty mean. ok you knock nash to the ground. the next play he knocks you 5 rolls back into the crowd. this team needs an enforcer in the worst way.

 

[goldseraph]

maybe we could trade for the king of stiffs - ARAUJO!!!!! He fits your description...

 

[George O'Brien]

i personally dont think we should even look at a pg. we have barbs, nash and milos that we can and maybe have next year on top of jj who can play some point.

what i really want is a 6'11" 265, 270 power forward/center who is just nasty mean. ok you knock nash to the ground. the next play he knocks you 5 rolls back into the crowd. this team needs an enforcer in the worst way.

My guess is that the whoever the Suns get, he will have some flaws: too short to defense KG (Diagu), not strong enough to defense most power guys (Frye), slow, not good ball handler (Turiaf), injury prone (Simien), poor lateral quickness, not aggressive enough (Villanueva), not good enough shooter (Warrick), etc. Some things like speed will be essential, but is hard to know what can be improved and what cannot.

 

[Gaddabout]

Take it for it's worth, but I don't suspect Robinson would be a very good locker room guy. He could end up being disruptive on any team he's on.

Granger is an amazing player. I love his game and would love to see him on the Suns. Keep in mind, though, he's about 18 steps slower than Marion. He's not known for his athleticism. I think he's going to have a difficult time finding a position.

 

[Russ Smith]

Take it for it's worth, but I don't suspect Robinson would be a very good locker room guy. He could end up being disruptive on any team he's on.

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Curious what you mean like that he's the most popular guy on the UW team. I think his dad might be a distraction but he's less and less in the spotlight I think he figured out that Nate didn't want to be Nate "son of Jacque" Robinson.

The thing with Nate is much like Boykins he's not really a PG he's a scorer in a PG's body. He's gotten better but he's not a guy who makes his teammates better with the pass. Or maybe that's what you meant about disruptive, he's a bit of a ballhog?

 

[Gaddabout]

The thing with Nate is much like Boykins he's not really a PG he's a scorer in a PG's body. He's gotten better but he's not a guy who makes his teammates better with the pass. Or maybe that's what you meant about disruptive, he's a bit of a ballhog?

I think the fact he has to have the ball in his hands on the court and the nature of his family off the court is a troublesome duo of issues. I don't want to say much more because I don't want to reveal how I gained my insight. I don't think Robinson's a law breaker or anything, but I don't see him as a guy who wants to sit the bench and learn from a white boy like Nash. I think he's going to need a maturity coach his first few years in the NBA.

Just based on physical ability, I can't imagine the Suns finding a more dynamic player in the draft. The kid definately has game. He will definately be among the rookie impact players wherever he lands.

 

[Russ Smith]

I think the fact he has to have the ball in his hands on the court and the nature of his family off the court is a troublesome duo of issues. I don't want to say much more because I don't want to reveal how I gained my insight. I don't think Robinson's a law breaker or anything, but I don't see him as a guy who wants to sit the bench and learn from a white boy like Nash. I think he's going to need a maturity coach his first few years in the NBA.

Just based on physical ability, I can't imagine the Suns finding a more dynamic player in the draft. The kid definately has game. He will definately be among the rookie impact players wherever he lands.

Well I do know of his dad, I'm from Cupertino(San Jose area) and when I was in junior high, Jacque was at San Jose Highschool. The local papers kept calling him Jock, so he made a big deal of how it was spelled. I know he had issues at UW himself, big mouth, big ego, but a good college RB. He was a terrific HS basketball player himself but while he was an athlete, he didn't have Nate's unworldly hops.

I know his mom is someone who likes to be on camera but I don't know much more beyond that about her.

Nate is definitely cocky, I know opponents don't like him, but my understanding is he's one of the guys responsible for the current talent level there(and Cameron Dollar and Romar's "questionable" recruiting before they got caught contacting recruits during dead periods).

The key for me is he's not really a PG, and he's a very streaky shooter, he improved his shot a lot this year but he's the kind of kid who depends entirely on his quickness and hops and that may not be as easy in the NBA.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

My guess is that the whoever the Suns get, he will have some flaws: too short to defense KG (Diagu), not strong enough to defense most power guys (Frye), slow, not good ball handler (Turiaf), injury prone (Simien), poor lateral quickness, not aggressive enough (Villanueva), not good enough shooter (Warrick), etc. Some things like speed will be essential, but is hard to know what can be improved and what cannot.

you're exactly correct. but seeing as how the player will likely be a bench player, it will be okay for him to have one or two deficiencies as he'll be a role player. we just need to accurately determine what our greatest need off the bench is and who can properly fill that need.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Curious what you mean like that he's the most popular guy on the UW team. I think his dad might be a distraction but he's less and less in the spotlight I think he figured out that Nate didn't want to be Nate "son of Jacque" Robinson.

The thing with Nate is much like Boykins he's not really a PG he's a scorer in a PG's body. He's gotten better but he's not a guy who makes his teammates better with the pass. Or maybe that's what you meant about disruptive, he's a bit of a ballhog?

i think he was the third highest assist guy in the pac ten this year. that seems pretty good. i know he's a scorer, but he can direct the traffic and is a pretty good ballhandler and a real gnat on defense. i'm gonna keep reiterating, i see him in a bobby jackson role.

i'll plead ignorance to his family sitch or being a lockerroom cancer. if those two things are problems, that's really too bad.

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems most people in this thread talk like Phoenix has a second round draft pick. I hope we do also, but I thought the only second round pick we had was that obtained from Golden State (Dallas' second round pick) for Zarko and that we traded it to Boston for McCarty. I think Phoenix may have given some second round picks as well as number 1's to Utah or other teams. It's really confusing to keep track of the picks.

If anyone has any definitive information or a link about Phoenix having a second round pick this year I would really like to see it. To my knowledge, Phoenix has only Chicago's first round pick. I know San Antonio owns the Suns first round pick.

 

[Chaplin]

It seems most people in this thread talk like Phoenix has a second round draft pick. I hope we do also, but I thought the only second round pick we had was that obtained from Golden State (Dallas' second round pick) for Zarko and that we traded it to Boston for McCarty. I think Phoenix may have given some second round picks as well as number 1's to Utah or other teams. It's really confusing to keep track of the picks.

If anyone has any definitive information or a link about Phoenix having a second round pick this year I would really like to see it. To my knowledge, Phoenix has only Chicago's first round pick. I know San Antonio owns the Suns first round pick.

The Knicks now own that pick owed to the Spurs, I believe (Malik Rose trade). What about our own 2nd rounder? For some reason, I thought we still had one or two.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Knicks now own that pick owed to the Spurs, I believe (Malik Rose trade). What about our own 2nd rounder? For some reason, I thought we still had one or two.

yeah, i think chaps right. i think we still own a second rounder.

 

[Mainstreet]

The best I can figure out, the Dallas 2005 second round pick came from the Hornets in the Jim Jackson trade not the Zarko trade with Golden State and it went to Boston for McCarty.

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/jackson_release_050121.html
The Zarko second round pick obtained from Golden State is for a another future year and I believe it might even be conditional.

In essence, I hope the Suns have 2005 second round pick but I don't believe they currently do.

 

[Chaplin]

Where is our own 2nd rounder? It would be worth virtually nothing, but still...

 

[Mainstreet]

I found this additional link regarding the Zarko trade. http://www.nba.com/suns/news/cabarkapa_050103.html

Needless to say, I'm probably even more confused. I hope someone can find out if Phoenix indeed has a 2005 second round pick. I do not know if Phoenix has Golden State's 2005 second round pick as it was conditional. Obviously I do not know the conditions.

 

[coloradosun]

I know that we have Dallas's second rounder in the Jim Jackson trade. I also believe we have Orlando's and I think Cleveland or Chicago has ours.

 

[coloradosun]

Just looked it up on realgm.com transactions, Dec 24, 2003 the Suns traded Robert Archibald for a conditional 2nd round pick. I am guessing that the conditions on that would be met this year if Orlando makes the playoffs, that's only speculation on my part. So we should have Dallas's and Orlando's.

Zarko was traded for a 2nd rounder that was conditional in 2005, that probably won't be able to be exercised, protected at 40 (sent to Boston for McCarty)and an unconditional 2009 2nd rounder.

Could possibly package Orlando's and Dallas's together with some cash and move up in round 2 to grab one of these point guards.

 

[Mainstreet]

Just looked it up on realgm.com transactions, Dec 24, 2003 the Suns traded Robert Archibald for a conditional 2nd round pick. I am guessing that the conditions on that would be met this year if Orlando makes the playoffs, that's only speculation on my part. So we should have Dallas's and Orlando's.

Zarko was traded for a 2nd rounder that was conditional in 2005, that probably won't be able to be exercised, protected at 40 and an unconditional 2009 2nd rounder.

Could possibly package both of these together with some cash and move up in round 2.

These links from SI and nba.com should shed some light on the subject. It appears the Suns obtained McCarty from Boston for Golden State's 2005 conditional second round pick. See links: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/basketball/nba/02/08/mccarty.ap/

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/mccarty_050208.html
So maybe we do have Dallas' second round pick via the Hornets. I don't know about Orlando.

 

[coloradosun]

Looks like you replied before I edited, I also found out we are still owed a 2nd rounder from Cleveland in 2008 with no conditions (Milt Palacio trade). We still may have our own second rounder this year as well, real.gm has an page that has debits and credits that has not been updated from Oct, 2002 but has a page all of the transactions since then, might take a while to decipher.


another edit
We sent our 2005 second rounder to Utah in the Gugliotta deal. That was quite a deal for cap space, Googs, Clark, 2 1st's and a 2nd.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT CLEARS IT UP

We have Dallas's 2005 second rounder, a conditional second rounder from Orlando (could be exercised in 2005), are owed a 2008 2nd from Cleveland and 2009 2nd from GS.

 

[Mainstreet]

Looks like you replied before I edited, I also found out we are still owed a 2nd rounder from Cleveland in 2008 with no conditions (Milt Palacio trade). We still may have our own second rounder this year as well, real.gm has an page that has debits and credits that has not been updated from Oct, 2002 but has a page all of the transactions since then, might take a while to decipher.


another edit
We sent our 2005 second rounder to Utah in the Gugliotta deal. That was quite a deal for cap space, Googs, Clark, 2 1st's and a 2nd.

SO HOPEFULLY THAT CLEARS IT UP

We have Dallas's 2005 second rounder, a conditional second rounder from Orlando (could be exercised in 2005), are owed a 2008 2nd from Cleveland and 2009 2nd from GS.

If this is a deep draft as some project, second round picks could be very valuable. Thanks for your research coloradosun.