Dantoni Homecoming Suns vs Knicks 7pm FSN

[JCSunsfan]

I could absolve sarver of those decisions if the pick were traded for a pick in a later year. When the pick gets sold for cash, I dunno.

Supposedly the cash allowed the signing of FA's like Grant Hill. Both DAntoni and Sarver are to blame for that crap.

DAntoni: great system, good coach, bad personnel manager, disastrous GM.

 

[Covert Rain]

Noticed Nash and Amare got into a yelling match late in the game. Well, mostly Nash yelling at him since Amare was trying to walk away and Nash kept getting in his face. It was right after that sequence where Nash kept trying to get Amare to move so he could pass him the ball, and Amare wouldn’t budge (I think he had Nate Robinson guarding him).

I noticed that and replayed it. Nash was yelling at Amare while making the gesture that means "stretch it out". My old coach used the same one. On that play Amare didn't clear out and it appeared they were trying to stretch out all the guys on offense to create a lane or pick and roll scenario.

 

[mojorizen7]

It was funny when they interviewed sarver before the game. The mention of DA just wiped any kind of smile off his face, like he was sucking on a bad lemon. He couldnt even get his mouth to smile even a little,and his face appeared to turn red. Makes me think some real bullcrap went on last year.

The suns beat the knicks, but DA outcoached Porter even to be in the game late. And it took 2 nash daggers and shaq hitting 5 foul shots to save Porter from total embarrassment. The suns continue to be scortched from the guard position, even after Bell and Diaw left. this knicks team had no inside game at all, so it was easy to defend them. Good thing the knicks traded Randolph(23/11) before this game, the suns probably lose it if he is there.

On the positive side, JRich is going to get more involved, his contributions will continue to increase.

Outcoached? How exactly?
Strategically? Substitutions?
I think its fair to say that D'Antoni coached the same way he always has.
NY came out running & firing 3's. The SUNS decided to run with them early until it became apparent that NY was struggling with their shots so the SUNS went to the post game to get NY into some foul trouble.
I fully expected DA to try to pick n roll Shaq/Nash to death(in the 2nd half)after NY couldn't get hot from deep and with the SUNS abusing NY in the paint.
I would say that Porters substitutions in the 2nd half were a little late but the SUNS played their game as did D'Antoni & the KNICKS.
Nobody got outcoached IMO. I saw few adjustments from either coach....but since NY was losing by 10 for the majority of the game i would say that it was NY who needed to try something other than jacking up 3's for 4 quarters.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I noticed that and replayed it. Nash was yelling at Amare while making the gesture that means "stretch it out". My old coach used the same one. On that play Amare didn't clear out and it appeared they were trying to stretch out all the guys on offense to create a lane or pick and roll scenario.

Yeah I remember the play where it happened, I was yelling at the tv for Amare to move to a better position.

 

[nowagimp]

Outcoached? How exactly?
Strategically? Substitutions?
I think its fair to say that D'Antoni coached the same way he always has.
NY came out running & firing 3's. The SUNS decided to run with them early until it became apparent that NY was struggling with their shots so the SUNS went to the post game to get NY into some foul trouble.
I fully expected DA to try to pick n roll Shaq/Nash to death(in the 2nd half)after NY couldn't get hot from deep and with the SUNS abusing NY in the paint.
I would say that Porters substitutions in the 2nd half were a little late but the SUNS played their game as did D'Antoni & the KNICKS.
Nobody got outcoached IMO. I saw few adjustments from either coach....but since NY was losing by 10 for the majority of the game i would say that it was NY who needed to try something other than jacking up 3's for 4 quarters.

Any time you can nearly make up for having no inside game(ya think he'd need to shoot outside then?) against a far superior talent while shooting poorly in your strength, some serious coaching has taken place. How did you like the defensive changes when the suns went 1-12 to start the 4th? Oh yeah, you probably just think the suns shot bad, against no defense at all. Sometomes when you are forced to take bad shots, its because that is what the D is allowing. given their obvious shortcomings the knicks played some good help defense there, keeping amare from closing the game out.

 

[mojorizen7]

Any time you can nearly make up for having no inside game(ya think he'd need to shoot outside then?) against a far superior talent while shooting poorly in your strength, some serious coaching has taken place. How did you like the defensive changes when the suns went 1-12 to start the 4th? Oh yeah, you probably just think the suns shot bad, against no defense at all. Sometomes when you are forced to take bad shots, its because that is what the D is allowing. given their obvious shortcomings the knicks played some good help defense there, keeping amare from closing the game out.

So your saying that the gameplan for NY was to jack up 3's because they had no inside game? ROTFL
I don't recall NY doing anything special on "D" in the 4th besides scramble
around and get active for a stretch...they definately "upped" their energy & focus defensively(for a few minutes). Why not try to bully Nash and get the ball out of his hands? Or on offense get Shaq out of the paint by running the P&R with David Lee & Nate?
Puleeze.

 

[elindholm]

I don't recall NY doing anything special on "D" in the 4th

He put Harrington on Nash and dared the Suns to find the mismatch, which they didn't. D'Antoni remembered from previous playoffs that Nash struggles against larger, physical defenders, and has a tendency to cough the ball up when he gets nudged on the perimeter.

 

[hafey]

Harrington was on Nash because the Knicks switched the pick and roll.

 

[elindholm]

Harrington was on Nash because the Knicks switched the pick and roll.

That was sometimes the reason.

 

[Chaz]

That was sometimes the reason.

What other reason was there? They switched the P&R every time.

 

[Andrew]

I love the arguing....

 

[elindholm]

What other reason was there? They switched the P&R every time.

Sometimes Harrington started on Nash, and/or they used a very loose interpretation of "pick" as an excuse to switch. D'Antoni wanted Harrington on Nash. Describing it as a "switch" every time implies that they were somehow forced into it.

 

[Chaz]

Sometimes Harrington started on Nash, and/or they used a very loose interpretation of "pick" as an excuse to switch. D'Antoni wanted Harrington on Nash. Describing it as a "switch" every time implies that they were somehow forced into it.

Sorry, Harrington never started on Nash. It was always Robinson in the last 5:50 that Nash was back in the game. If another player besides Amare had set the screen another defender would have been guarding Nash.
When Richardson set the pick Duhon ended up on Nash. Harrington ended up on JR after coming over to help Robinson.
I don't deny they were eager to switch, it was how Nash got the last three off.

 

[mojorizen7]

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[elindholm]

Sorry, Harrington never started on Nash. It was always Robinson in the last 5:50 that Nash was back in the game. If another player besides Amare had set the screen another defender would have been guarding Nash... I don't deny they were eager to switch, it was how Nash got the last three off.

Call it what you like. D'Antoni had Harrington on Nash by design. That refutes the claim that the Knicks did not make any defensive adjustments.

 

[Chaz]

Call it what you like. D'Antoni had Harrington on Nash by design. That refutes the claim that the Knicks did not make any defensive adjustments.

I believe the claim was they didn't do anything special on defense.

Your claim is that D'Antoni wanted Harrington on Nash.

 

[Irish]

I can't figure out what Nash did to the officals that leads them to refuse to call fouls wehn guys are "guarding" him wintheir "no blood/no foul" approach.

BTW, Robinson's leaping limited passes over the top.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

I would like to confirm that Harrington was focused on defending nash on a few plays.

 

[cly2tw]

He put Harrington on Nash and dared the Suns to find the mismatch, which they didn't. D'Antoni remembered from previous playoffs that Nash struggles against larger, physical defenders, and has a tendency to cough the ball up when he gets nudged on the perimeter.

This implies that DA never had the time and strategy to counter the predictable move of putting an athletic big on Nash. And Porter didn't want to have Nash handling the ball as much so that he probably hasn't worked on this aspect either. What does it all tell us?

 

[cly2tw]

I can't figure out what Nash did to the officals that leads them to refuse to call fouls wehn guys are "guarding" him wintheir "no blood/no foul" approach.

BTW, Robinson's leaping limited passes over the top.

To the roughing ups on Nash, refs have been consistent in this regard for the whole time Nash has been with us.

Amare has not worked much on fending off fronting small players, unlike Diaw who got this skill before joining NBA. Kerr/Porter need to work on it in practice more.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

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