Dark horse teams in the Boldin market

[Cbus cardsfan]

Everyone has the usual suspects,Philly, Giants, Minny, when talking about teams interested in Boldin. Who do you think are some under the radar candidates? My choices are:

1-Washington: Dan Snyder will overpay to get a player he wants. They don't have a second rounder this year but i think we may be able to snag their #1 this year and next. Remember, Snyder grew up a fan of the Skins in the Bobby Beathard days where he traded his #1 pick every year.

2-Oakland:They need a veteran, established WR for Russell. I think their 1st and 3rd would be alot considering they pick 7th. But if that offer came across the table, you have to take it.

3-Jets:they lost Coles and Boldin would immediately improve them. There's talk about them drafting a WR at 17. I'm sure they would rather have Boldin and throw in 3rd.

4-Jax: probably less likely although they probably have the biggest need at WR as anyone. I think they are palnning on using the #8 pick to parlay that into more choices especially if Sanchez is sitting there at 8. Who knows, maybe a crazy 3 way trade where Denver gets the 8th pick, Jax gets the 12 and 19,then sends the 19th,and their 2nd or 3rd, to the Cards for Boldin would be worked out.

 

[WildBB]

I would say the Florida teams if he's going anywhere. Specifically the AFC teams. Now the Cardinals can't expect to get the same deal as they would from an NFC rival. But him being out of the conference would be much better, if that's an option. Which I don't think it is.



what the East Coast teams have to be wary of , is shelling out all the dough he's going to want, (and believe me a deal won't be made unless there's a new deal on the table, waiting) and if even that is going to keep him happy playing in the cold climate, AND if he'll be worth the money in the cold climate anyway. Because up there games are won with the D and solid running games for the bigger part.

With these factors in mind, don't expect any trade now. With the abundance of talent coming out in the draft at WR, the East Coast teams will develop their own talent , IMO. They're also not interested in loading up the Cardinals with young talent as well. Which is what keeps the blood flowing in the teams long term health when done wisely.

Anquan's value is with the Cardinals. Bottom line.

 

[Dr. Jones]

We play Jacksonville in week 2. Since he will still be playing and not injured at that time, I would not want to trade him there.

Tampa wont want him because they are in massive rebuilding mode, and the Tuna is smart enough to know that he shouldn't overpay for him.

 

[cardsfanmd]

I agree about the other 3, but Washington is not gonna do this. They used three second rounders last year on their recieving game. Devin Thomas was the first reciever off the board. He, Malcolm Kelly and Fred Davis will be given some more time before Snyder goes this drastic IMO.

 

[NuttinButTDs]

Add Tennesse to the list. If they were looking at Holt, why not Boldin. Not a dark horse, but a viable candidate for trade

 

[Garthshort]

Oakland might for a second and fourth, this year, and a first or second next year.

 

[WildBB]

Oakland might for a second and fourth, this year, and a first or second next year.

That could work for both.

 

[JeffGollin]

Prediction...

Prediction: Flames will come shooting out of the ASFN blogosphere in the wake of Wiz's and Graves' announcement.

Suggestion: Chill. The only thing new that they revealed was that they'd already received a few calls from other teams about Q. Everything else they said is consistent with prudent management.

Put on your trading caps for a moment and (1) pretend you're the Cardinals and (2) pretend you're any one of the other interested teams.

If you're the Cardinals
If all you got for Boldin was a 1st round pick, you'd probably have to use it on another receiver - which means you'd be swapping a known super star with a physical presence for an untried talented rookie with less mileage on him. A net trade-off of zero at best, so why do it? You're going to want considerably more. Otherwise why do it?

The Lions got a 1st round pick and 2 later rounders for Roy Williams. The CW is that Boldin is worth more. My guess is that we'd hold out for 2 first rounders or at worst, a 1st rounder and a couple of second rounders (& this year; none of that 2010 stuff).

If you're an interested NFL team
It could be anyone - Philly, the Giants, Cleveland (who might be willing to deal if they lost Edwards), Chicago (who has no one for Cutler to play catch with) or KC (Maybe the there's more love than hate in the Haley-Boldin "love/hate" relationship). But whoever you are, you've got two key things to concern yourself about: (1) Are you willing to pay what Q wants to be paid (and are you willing to spin your wheels "setting the market" for the Cardinals to come back and beat? (2) Can you afford to part with a couple of #1's or a #1 plus a couple of #2's or one or more key players? (Note - the Bears are probably all tapped out in picks due to the Cutler deal; but would they be willing to cough up, say, Lance Briggs or Urlacher and/or, ahem, Devin Hester?)

Bottom line - I could be wrong, but the stars do not line up very much in favor of a Boldin trade.

 

[stewdog1]

2-Oakland:They need a veteran, established WR for Russell. I think their 1st and 3rd would be alot considering they pick 7th. But if that offer came across the table, you have to take it.

3-Jets:they lost Coles and Boldin would immediately improve them. There's talk about them drafting a WR at 17. I'm sure they would rather have Boldin and throw in 3rd.

If we did that trade with Oakland and get the 7th overall pick, I would not have a problem picking up Maclin there. He would instantly improve our ST dramatically and give us 4 very good receivers for years to come. Plus you can pick up a RB w/ our 1st or 2nd rounder.

However, there is the ever so slight possibility that Maclin would be sitting there at 17 with the Jets pick.

 

[az jam]

Cards do not want to pay for a top 10 pick especially this year when the talent is really very equal throughout the whole first round.

 

[WildBB]

The Lions got a 1st round pick and 2 later rounders for Roy Williams. The CW is that Boldin is worth more. My guess is that we'd hold out for 2 first rounders or at worst, a 1st rounder and a couple of second rounders (& this year; none of that 2010 stuff).

The Lions got a late first and late 3rd and 6th.

Two first round picks is not realistic. That only includes two teams if you'r not inclined to getting one of them in 2010.

A 1st and 2nd for Boldin would be very generous. And a reach for any team to offer this year. Remember they'll have to dole out big bucks to satisfy him.

 

[joeshmo]

What teams have enough cap space? 29 of them do.
Get rid of any NFC West rivals - 26 teams left.
Get rid of teams without a 1st rounder - 23 teams left.
Get rid of any team that doesn’t have WR as their top 5 need according Thehuddlereport - 13 teams left and here they are

The Bakers dozen of the most logical choices (thats if you assume everything is always logical which it isnt) - Tampa Bay, Philly, Minny, Jax, NYJ, Tenn., Miami, Oakland, Indy, NYG, Wash., NE, Baltimore

Probably the biggest players are the first 4 teams listed because they all have over 20 mill left in cap space. The last 5 teams have less then 10 mill which would mean if they sign him to a new deal they will be very close to the cap along with signing their rookies so they may have to throw in a player in a trade to us to make it work.

Tampa doesn’t have a second rounder so I am not sure they would be willing to not have a single draft pick in the first 3 rounds of the draft. We know Philly has multiple picks. Minny only has 6 picks total, but they have shown to be willing to trade 1st rounders for talent. Do we really think Jax would give up the #8 pick? Jets only have 6 draft picks. Titans, Dolphins, Giants, Colts have a load of draft picks. Raiders only have 5 picks and doubtful they would give up the #7 pick. Washington only has 5 picks. Ravens only has 6 draft picks, and the Patriots have multiple picks.

So I think the Titans, Dolphins, Giants, Philly are the most logical choices based on pure analytical analysis. But based on that same info I think a dark horse could be the Colts. With the the other 8 teams I mentioned as possibilities on the outside looking in.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

The Lions got a late first and late 3rd and 6th.

Two first round picks is not realistic. That only includes two teams if you'r not inclined to getting one of them in 2010.

A 1st and 2nd for Boldin would be very generous. And a reach for any team to offer this year. Remember they'll have to dole out big bucks to satisfy him.

I remember some talk on Sirius NFL radio a couple of weeks ago that last year Washington had offered two late first rounders for someone like Chad Johnson but were turned down. I am not sure of the truth to this but the Sirus NFL guys brought it up like it was valid. If that was the case, then why would Boldin not be worth as much or similar. We are in the drivers seat, there is no reason Graves should fold over like he always does. If Philly wants him, we should get both of their first rounders. We could really fills some holes with 3 lower firsts and not break the bank.

 

[JeffGollin]

The Lions got a late first and late 3rd and 6th.

Two first round picks is not realistic....A 1st and 2nd for Boldin would be very generous. And a reach for any team to offer this year. Remember they'll have to dole out big bucks to satisfy him.

Ah hah! My point exactly. There is nothing written in the NFL Book of Trades that says the Cardinals have to be logical or "fair."

They hold all the cards - they don't have to make any trade. All they need to do is determine what they'd be willing to accept for Boldin (as high or unreasonable as that might be).

 

[AsUdUdE]

What teams have enough cap space? 29 of them do.
Get rid of any NFC West rivals - 26 teams left.
Get rid of teams without a 1st rounder - 23 teams left.
Get rid of any team that doesn’t have WR as their top 5 need according Thehuddlereport - 13 teams left and here they are

The Bakers dozen of the most logical choices (thats if you assume everything is always logical which it isnt) - Tampa Bay, Philly, Minny, Jax, NYJ, Tenn., Miami, Oakland, Indy, NYG, Wash., NE, Baltimore

Probably the biggest players are the first 4 teams listed because they all have over 20 mill left in cap space. The last 5 teams have less then 10 mill which would mean if they sign him to a new deal they will be very close to the cap along with signing their rookies so they may have to throw in a player in a trade to us to make it work.

Tampa doesn’t have a second rounder so I am not sure they would be willing to not have a single draft pick in the first 3 rounds of the draft. We know Philly has multiple picks. Minny only has 6 picks total, but they have shown to be willing to trade 1st rounders for talent. Do we really think Jax would give up the #8 pick? Jets only have 6 draft picks. Titans, Dolphins, Giants, Colts have a load of draft picks. Raiders only have 5 picks and doubtful they would give up the #7 pick. Washington only has 5 picks. Ravens only has 6 draft picks, and the Patriots have multiple picks.

So I think the Titans, Dolphins, Giants, Philly are the most logical choices based on pure analytical analysis. But based on that same info I think a dark horse could be the Colts. With the the other 8 teams I mentioned as possibilities on the outside looking in.

For the record, I don't really think Jax is a player for Boldin, but if they are, I can DEFINENTLY see a scerenio where we trade Boldin for 2009 2nd round pick (#36) and 2010 1st round pick... I would do that trade and be VERY happy with it...

 

[Crazy Canuck]

For the record, I don't really think Jax is a player for Boldin, but if they are, I can DEFINENTLY see a scerenio where we trade Boldin for 2009 2nd round pick (#36) and 2010 1st round pick... I would do that trade and be VERY happy with it...

BIM: definitely

(The most often misspelled word on this forum.)

 

[AsUdUdE]

BIM: definitely

(The most often misspelled word on this forum.)

yeah... my bad.. I REALLY need to start rereading my posts before I post them.. LOL

 

[Crazy Canuck]

yeah... my bad.. I REALLY need to start rereading my posts before I post them.. LOL

I've always found humour in posters who are so definite in their opinions but can't spell the word.

 

[jefftheshark]

I've always found humour in posters who are so definite in their opinions but can't spell the word.

What is this "humour" word of which you speak?

*******

But could Cleveland be a dark horse, too? Especially if they were without Edwards and armed with some of the NYG's picks? I know that I'd swap Edwards for Boldin, and that is essentially what they'd be doing.

Just a thought.

JTS

 

[WildBB]

Ah hah! My point exactly. There is nothing written in the NFL Book of Trades that says the Cardinals have to be logical or "fair."

They hold all the cards - they don't have to make any trade. All they need to do is determine what they'd be willing to accept for Boldin (as high or unreasonable as that might be).

True, they don't have to move him. They've said they would prefer re-upping him. They just can't do it now. We don't know how much more of a disrtraction he might become. They might feel as though it won't be enough to push them into a deal they'd regret.

That said , they are well stocked at WR and if they feel they need to address other area's of need in a more aggresive manner and bring in more youth they could be pursauded possibly to part with Q.

But they do hold the Cards in this and don't need to be pro active at this point. Something will have to bowl them over while the draft is being held. A player that it doesn't make sense for them not to take a certain offer that could upgrade them drastically, in the FO's evaluation. I'd say it's a 2/1 bet he stays. Either way they played well in his absense and that could determine some thoughts on the whole process.

 

[football karma]

I wouldnt totally rule the Redskins out

Synder runs his team like average fans run fantasy football teams -- if there is a big name available where he can make a splash -- logic be damned he will be tempted to do it.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

What is this "humour" word of which you speak?

*******

But could Cleveland be a dark horse, too? Especially if they were without Edwards and armed with some of the NYG's picks? I know that I'd swap Edwards for Boldin, and that is essentially what they'd be doing.

Just a thought.

JTS

Speak and write the Queen's English as do a majority in the world.

Do understand, however, the American dialect...

 

[zuchini]

John Clayton on ESPN this morning stated that a first and third is what the cards are asking.

I hope he's wrong. We need more that that, in my view.

 

[joeshmo]

John Clayton on ESPN this morning stated that a first and third is what the cards are asking.

I hope he's wrong. We need more that that, in my view.

First Clayton got his info from his ESPN cohorts article Sal Palintonio. In that article the gist of it is a 1st and a 3rd minimum for us to even take a team seriously.

Also if the pick is in the 22 to 32 range I agree a late rounder needs to be added this year or next. But a pick in the middle (pick 10 to 21) in rounds 1 and 3 is more then fair IMO.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

John Clayton on ESPN this morning stated that a first and third is what the cards are asking.

I hope he's wrong. We need more that that, in my view.

Dreaming. That is the value. The key is how early in the rounds those picks are.