Dbacks @Gnats, Does anybody care?

[devilalum]

Games half over and no thread. Has everybody lost interest already?

Goldy's domination of Lincecum is Biblical.

 

[devilalum]

Anybody else fed up with Montero? He's been pretty much awful since signing his big contract last year. I was hopeful that he might bounce back this year but nothing so far. Just picking up right where he left off.

 

[thirty-two]

Definitely fed up with Montero, hitting and fielding. If i see one more errant throw to second or another easy ball through the 5 hole i may spit. LOL as im typing this on the ipad, he lets one go thru. Good timing, Miggy!

Love to see Goldy take Porn-stache yard.

 

[Phrazbit]

Suns were in a must win, nail biter/near disaster tonight. Had me distracted.

And while I enjoy watching baseball something notable usually needs to happen to drive me to post about it. I do think hope is lost but baseball is kind of different than other sports. While I enjoy the NBA more, I can casually watch and enjoy a bad baseball team, while bad NBA is just brutal to sit through.

PS TACOS!!!

 

[Lefty]

Luckily the Diamondbacks have 7 runs because Arroyo has given up 3 in five innings and his pitch count is very high. Even though they are up 4, it sure doesn't feel like a comfortable lead.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Belt, Pagan and Posey just flat out kill the Dvacks! And Goldy destroys Lincicum!!


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[AZ Native]

Collmenter got his first career save tonight (4 IP, 3 Hits, 0 Runs). Not too shabby. Last year he pitched 92 innings (the most of any NL reliever), 5 W's, 85 K's, 3.071 ERA and a 1.176 WHIP. They may work him into the starting lineup to keep Bradley on pace to come up in June.

 

[Bert]

Belt, Pagan and Posey just flat out kill the Dvacks! And Goldy destroys Lincicum!!


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It is simply amazing, hilarious and mind boggling how much Goldy owns Tim. Seriously is he EVER going to stop pitching to him? It's just Vanity at this point for Third Rock...

 

[Lefty]

Looks like Cahill will be pitching on Sunday to stay in the rotation. If he sucks it up again, I'm guessing Collmenter will replace him as a starter.

 

[JS22]

Collmenter get his first career save tonight (4 IP, 3 Hits, 0 Runs). Not too shabby. Last year he pitched 92 innings (the most of any NL reliever), 5 W's, 85 K's, 3.071 ERA and a 1.176 WHIP. They may work him into the starting lineup to keep Bradley on pace to come up in June.

Warming up to replace Cahill in the rotation.

Gibson basically said as much on the radio yesterday.

 

[Dback Jon]

Warming up to replace Cahill in the rotation.

Gibson basically said as much on the radio yesterday.

Yup - heard that.

Wanting to get Collnentor longer outings to prep him to be a starter if needed.

 

[devilalum]

Warming up to replace Cahill in the rotation.

Gibson basically said as much on the radio yesterday.

Russ Ortiz Part 2

 

[Phrazbit]

Hasn't it already been firmly established that Collmenter has a much greater impact out of the pen than as a starter? 2.49 career ERA as a reliever.

Even if he is a better starter than Cahill (and he probably is) is it really worth the damage done to the pen? Especially with how many bad pitchers that wont eat innings already in the rotation, it makes Collmenter's presence in long relief that much more important.

Collmenter was not the type to go deep into games when he was a starter, you put him in a rotation with McCarthy, Arroyo and Delgado (who have combined for a mere 26 innings in 5 starts so far), with a now diminished pen and no legit long reliever to back them up...

They'd be making a very minor fix on one hole while opening a huuuuuge one in the process. But I guess thats par for the course for the current regime.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Hasn't it already been firmly established that Collmenter has a much greater impact out of the pen than as a starter? 2.49 career ERA as a reliever.

Even if he is a better starter than Cahill (and he probably is) is it really worth the damage done to the pen? Especially with how many bad pitchers that wont eat innings already in the rotation, it makes Collmenter's presence in long relief that much more important.

Collmenter was not the type to go deep into games when he was a starter, you put him in a rotation with McCarthy, Arroyo and Delgado (who have combined for a mere 26 innings in 5 starts so far), with a now diminished pen and no legit long reliever to back them up...

They'd be making a very minor fix on one hole while opening a huuuuuge one in the process. But I guess thats par for the course for the current regime.

I believe they are exploring multiple options... however, for now, they would be stupid not to consider plugging in Collmenter, if only for a short period of time until they found a more longer-term solution.
We literally have 2 starters whom are capable of getting into the 5th inning (Miley and Arroyo). That needs to be fixed ASAP and right at this moment, Collmenter would be the best possible solution...

 

[Phrazbit]

I believe they are exploring multiple options... however, for now, they would be stupid not to consider plugging in Collmenter, if only for a short period of time until they found a more longer-term solution.
We literally have 2 starters whom are capable of getting into the 5th inning (Miley and Arroyo). That needs to be fixed ASAP and right at this moment, Collmenter would be the best possible solution...

But Collmenter is the guy who backs up all these starters who can't get passed the 5th! And Arroyo is among the dudes who have not been able to get through 5, he has gone, 4.1 innings and 5.0 so far. And Collmenter as a starter is right there with these guys, he does not eat innings, thats the reason he ended up as a long reliever in the first place.

Yeah, the team needs a starter who can chew up innings (like 4 of them), but they should know from experience Collmenter is not that guy AND that Collmenter is their primary fallback for all these crap pitchers when they need to be pulled in the 4th or 5th.

 

[82CardsGrad]

But Collmenter is the guy who backs up all these starters who can't get passed the 5th! And Arroyo is among the dudes who have not been able to get through 5, he has gone, 4.1 innings and 5.0 so far. And Collmenter as a starter is right there with these guys, he does not eat innings, thats the reason he ended up as a long reliever in the first place.

Yeah, the team needs a starter who can chew up innings (like 4 of them), but they should know from experience Collmenter is not that guy AND that Collmenter is their primary fallback for all these crap pitchers when they need to be pulled in the 4th or 5th.

It's a choice... How many times can you use Collmenter? How many consecutive games can you put him into a game after 3 or 4 innings, while eating up the balance of the pen all along?

For now, I am totally in favor of Josh stepping in as a starter and giving us a consistent 5-6 innings (maybe 7 on occasion), while a longer term solution is developed...

 

[Phrazbit]

He obviously cant back them up every time one of these guys falls apart, especially if its happening like 4 out of 5 games, but without solid long relief this bullpen is going to get seriously over worked. IMO they're opening a bigger hole than the one they're attempting to close.

And Cahill is on the books for nearly 20 million over this year and next, for better or worse I think they have to try and fix him.

 

[82CardsGrad]

He obviously cant back them up every time one of these guys falls apart, especially if its happening like 4 out of 5 games, but without solid long relief this bullpen is going to get seriously over worked. IMO they're opening a bigger hole than the one they're attempting to close.

And Cahill is on the books for nearly 20 million over this year and next, for better or worse I think they have to try and fix him.

At the current rate and without Collmenter being used as a stop-gap, the pen would be destroyed by the end of May...

As for Cahill, he is what he is...grossly over-paid for sure (but what MLB isn't), and a pitcher with an odd arm angle that, when not in the proper slot will produce what we've seen this far this year.
I wouldn't be surprised if, at some point prior to the break, he gets the arm angle figured out and becomes a better and more consistent pitcher (he did this at the end of last season). The issue of course is just how much damage will he have caused by then... He has created a monster problem for this team for sure...

 

[BC867]

Correct me if this is wrong, but didn't Collmenter turn from a great long-relief specialist into a marginal starter when it was tried in the past? Then return to long-relief where he, once again, excelled.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results isn't going to solve the problem of our starting rotation as much as hurt the protection of it, as Phrazbit pointed out.

I will go on record and predict that the experiment will fail . . . again, and we will be even worse. The short-relievers will need walkers and golf carts to get to the pitching mound before too long.

Gibson's attention deficit disorder has surfaced once again. He has opened the season with a more standard lineup. It had to surface somewhere.

That is why I don't consider him a scapegoat of Kevin Tower's bungling. He is an extension of it. And not the man to un-do it when KT is given his walking papers. Besides, a new GM should be able to choose his own Manager.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Correct me if this is wrong, but didn't Collmenter turn from a great long-relief specialist into a marginal starter when it was tried in the past? Then return to long-relief where he, once again, excelled.

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results isn't going to solve the problem of our starting rotation as much as hurt the protection of it, as Phrazbit pointed out.

I will go on record and predict that the experiment will fail . . . again, and we will be even worse. The short-relievers will need walkers and golf carts to get to the pitching mound before too long.

Gibson's attention deficit disorder has surfaced once again. He has opened the season with a more standard lineup. It had to surface somewhere.

That is why I don't consider him a scapegoat of Kevin Tower's bungling. He is an extension of it. And not the man to un-do it when KT is given his walking papers. Besides, a new GM should be able to choose his own Manager.

Geeeez... So, at this moment nothing has been "done". However, should Delgado get blown out after 2-3 innings tonight, and/or should Cahill get ripped to shreads again on Sunday, what would YOU do?

 

[Phrazbit]

Geeeez... So, at this moment nothing has been "done". However, should Delgado get blown out after 2-3 innings tonight, and/or should Cahill get ripped to shreads again on Sunday, what would YOU do?

Fire Kevin Towers.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Fire Kevin Towers.

As I have been saying for the past 2 years, 2014 is the year where I will place KT under the scope, hold him 100% accountable and begin to judge his tenure and the moves he's made.
At this moment, the biggest issues I have with him is the deal to bring in Cahill and the McCarthy signing...
For now, I am reserving judgement on many other moves and aspects of this team.
At present, I have little to no issue with just about every other move he's made. But, that could change later in the season should Trumbo crap the bad, should Eaton go on to have a solid season (which I doubt he will), should Miggy continue to collossally SUCK...
Can't hold KT accountable for Corbin and Hernandez going down... Conversely, if KT is able to right the ship and somehow repair our rotation, my feelings would likewise be different.
You seemed a bit peeved that Didi was down in Reno... my view is that KT potentially stuck him there because he would love to have Didi tear it up and show his potential, versus sitting on the bench in the bigs...could then become potential trade bait.

Anyway, we're not even out of April... lots can happen. But again, 2014 was always my year for KT. And thus far, he has some serious 'splaining to do!

 

[Phrazbit]

I'm not peeved that Didi is in Reno, what ticked me off is that DD was the shortstop we "needed", Towers justified a move that looked like the Dbacks gave up a lot of value for questionable return because it filled a "need". Only we had a better SS prospect in our own system.

I'm sick of these false narratives he uses to justify his nonsensical moves. So many things he does are to to fill imagined holes (or self-inflicted ones)... only to create larger ones in the process.

Which brings me back to Collmenter. Collmenter is very good in his role, we have already seen him in the role Towers wants to move him to and he is not near as effective in those situation. We're taking a great long reliever and turning him into a below average starter, and we have no one to replace his current role of long relief.

Its one more in a long cycle of short sighted moves.

I'm not going to blame KT for Corbin's injury, but the organization should have shut him down way earlier last year. Thats not only KT's call, its also the coaches and we cant know if thats why Corbin got hurt... but those last 6 or 7 starts where he clearly was not himself certainly didnt help anything.

Even if Corbin were healthy the rotation would still be a mess, a 5 man rotation with two decent pitchers instead of just one. And all of the garbage pitchers are ones Towers hand picked... while the competent ones were here when he was hired.

Again, Towers stepped into a situation with a ton of talent both on the team and in the farm system, then he was additionally given leeway to nearly double the payroll. It was a situation that would have been difficult to screw up, and he really really has screwed it up.

Its all just really depressing.

 

[Lefty]

Got home turned on the game and Miggy drives in two with a double. The score is now 4-1.

 

[AZ Native]

We want tacos (and a W).