Dbacks want out of Chase Field?

Bert

Walkin' on Sunshine
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Oct 16, 2008
Posts
10,139
Reaction score
3,234
Location
Arizona
What exactly are the upgrades they want? Is it structural work?

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD


I know they want to remove quite a few seats. It's one of the bigger ballparks and there is no need for it. That's the only one I know specifically from the Dbacks that they want.

Gambo and Burns made it sound like they want to do something with the roof to make it look better when it's closed and not so much like a Hangar or a warehouse. Idk about that one, the roof doesn't look good when it's closed, but it's not something that bothers me. lol

They'll probably want to do something with the space opened up by the seats that are removed. IDK if they are widening seats or whatever.

I get why they want it. Having the newest shiniest stuff is kindof our thing out west. :) Derrick saw how that Atlanta stadium is coming out and wants some new toys. lol. All us men really are the same when you get right down to it. :p
 

az240zz

ASFN Lifer
Joined
Sep 11, 2002
Posts
3,314
Reaction score
542
I thought it was about maintenance. The county study says they will need 187 Million for the next 12 years for maintenance, The Dbacks are saying that the county doesn't have the money and Chase field will not stay "state of the art" .

I believe its just a lot of noise that over the year will get resolved. As for seats I think the Dbacks could pay for that renovation..
 

Bert

Walkin' on Sunshine
LEGACY MEMBER
Joined
Oct 16, 2008
Posts
10,139
Reaction score
3,234
Location
Arizona
The county commissioner the engineering study - NOT the team! It isn't about "upgrades" being demanded by the team...

I was just trying to be funny about the new toys. :) I should stop that. lol
 

overseascardfan

ASFN Addict
Joined
Apr 9, 2005
Posts
8,807
Reaction score
2,096
Location
Phoenix
Quick question, is there anything in the current lease agreement that would allow the county to raise the rent if repairs (renovations) exceed a certain amount? I mean $187M is more than half of what it cost to build the damn stadium. Hopefully, the county was smart enough to put a cap on their obligations.
 

splitsecond

ASFN Addict
Joined
Jan 16, 2009
Posts
5,582
Reaction score
1,536
Location
Chandler, AZ
I would be willing to guess this "maintenance" includes the seat removal that Kendrick so badly wants to happen so he can raise ticket prices. Supply and demand are not on his side.
 

82CardsGrad

7 x 70
Joined
Dec 31, 2004
Posts
36,138
Reaction score
8,044
Location
Scottsdale
Good summary of the situation here: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...iamondbacks-chase-field-what-to-now/82405422/

Again, just another dysfunctional relationship between a pro sports franchise and a municipality...
It does seem that the rent being paid by the team $4 million per year, is excessive, particularly since the team seems to also be significantly contributing to on-going maintenance and enhancements...

There are 12 years left on this deal. But it's clear the team wants changes - now. And given the current developing story around the Coyotes, ASU and the Suns, I think it would be extremely short-sighted if the county didn't try in some form or fashion, to negotiate with the Dbacks. I have no doubt that if the team is forced to simply ride-out the next 12 years, they will not return to Chase Field as they seem to be pretty clear about their preference for a smaller, more modern park...

IMHO, while it can and will be debated as to the validity of the claims made by both sides, I really believe the county should look very closely at what is transpiring with the other teams & ASU. They should ensure that the Dbacks are firmly entrenched downtown and are part & parcel of the plans being developed to bring the Coyotes and ASU to downtown, while also keeping the Suns there as well!
 

overseascardfan

ASFN Addict
Joined
Apr 9, 2005
Posts
8,807
Reaction score
2,096
Location
Phoenix
I find the D'backs timing funny. They weren't raising a stink the last few years because of the terrible product and poor attendance. Now that they shelled out a crap load of dough and look like a contender, now they want to ask for stadium improvements.
 

82CardsGrad

7 x 70
Joined
Dec 31, 2004
Posts
36,138
Reaction score
8,044
Location
Scottsdale
I find the D'backs timing funny. They weren't raising a stink the last few years because of the terrible product and poor attendance. Now that they shelled out a crap load of dough and look like a contender, now they want to ask for stadium improvements.

Makes sense to me... And, they're not asking for the "improvements" all at once. They are concerned - rightly so, that the county doesn't have the funds to meet the teams' expectations for "improvements" over the remaining 12 years.
And again, underpinning all of this is the teams' desire at some point down the road, for a smaller, much more modern stadium...
 

crisper57

Open the Roof!
Joined
Jan 23, 2007
Posts
14,950
Reaction score
1,019
Location
Phoenix, AZ
Lots of misinformation out there, so...

One...more...time:

The $187 million figure is an estimate from the most recent study commissioned by the County. They re-evaluate every couple of years. 2 D-Back Reps and 2 County Reps sit on the steering committee for the study. The County asked the D-Backs if they wanted to take on a few of the more immediate items on the list and the team asked for those to be put off a year. (So the fund balance won't be taking a hit this year).

The $187 million is not set in stone. It is based on what "could" happen based on the standard useful life of different components of the building and some "worst-case" scenarios like the roof breaking. But this number will be fluid in reality.

For example, an A/C chiller could break sooner than expected and require replacement that makes it likely that it will need to be replaced a second time before 12 years is up. Or if could outlive its useful life and not need replacement at all. Another is if they need to repaint bathrooms once or twice before the end of the year. Replacing panels on the scoreboard is another item. Do they need replaced now? No. They just assume that will need to occur sometime before the lease is up.

It has nothing to do with removing seats. That is not part of the $187 million.

As for the county being broke, this is somewhat true, in that it does not have $187 million on hand to pay for these renovations today. But they don't need it all today.

The D-Backs $4 million in rent goes straight into a fund to pay for the County renovations. Plus the District gets another $700,000 per year from other events to deposit into this fund. So over the next 12 years, the fund will be bolstered by nearly $60 million to make repairs. I believe that fund currently has about $8 million in it (but I am not sure).

Does that fall well below the $187 million cited in the report? It sure does. But that $187 million is not a real number. It is an estimate. And even Derek Hall has gone on record saying it may be inflated, that they may only end up needing a fraction of that amount in reality.

And $68 million might be enough. For comparison sake, the first 18 years of the stadium only required $42 million in repairs to come out of this fund and $10 million of that was for a new scoreboard alone.

The D-Backs are mad because they pay high rent AND they pay for routine maintenance for things such as the field, fan amenities, custodial work, and lighting. They feel like they are getting hit twice because their rent ultimately goes to the fund for major repairs as well.

So what? If I am renting a house and required to maintain the lawn; AND the landlord uses my rent money from that month to pay to repair the A/C unit that breaks down in July, do I really care if I feel like that was "my" money first?

Bottom line is that this is the contract the D-Backs agreed to when the County had to pony up the dough to help build the stadium in the first place. Ultimately, they don't have much legal recourse at this time and they know it. This was all about getting the dispute out into the court of public opinion to place pressure on the County to negotiate a better lease. But it appears they miscalculated terribly.
 
Last edited:

82CardsGrad

7 x 70
Joined
Dec 31, 2004
Posts
36,138
Reaction score
8,044
Location
Scottsdale
One...more...time:

The $187 million figure is an estimate from the most recent study commissioned by the County. They re-evaluate every couple of years. 2 D-Back Reps and 2 County Reps sit on the steering committee for the study. The County asked the D-Backs if they wanted to take on a few of the more immediate items on the list and the team asked for those to be put off a year. (So the fund balance won't be taking a hit this year).

The $187 million is not set in stone. It is based on what "could" happen based on the standard useful life of different components of the building and some "worst-case" scenarios like the roof breaking. But this number will be fluid in reality.

For example, an A/C chiller could break sooner than expected and require replacement that makes it likely that it will need to be replaced a second time before 12 years is up. Or if could outlive its useful life and not need replacement at all. Another is if they need to repaint bathrooms once or twice before the end of the year. Replacing panels on the scoreboard is another item. Do they need replaced now? No. They just assume that will need to occur sometime before the lease is up.

It has nothing to do with removing seats. That is not part of the $187 million.

As for the county being broke, this is somewhat true, in that it does not have $187 million on hand to pay for these renovations today. But they don't need it all today.

The D-Backs $4 million in rent goes straight into a fund to pay for the County renovations. Plus the District gets another $700,000 per year from other events to deposit into this fund. So over the next 12 years, the fund will be bolstered by nearly $60 million to make repairs. I believe that fund currently has about $8 million in it (but I am not sure).

Does that fall well below the $187 million cited in the report? It sure does. But that $187 million is not a real number. It is an estimate. And even Derek Hall has gone on record saying it may be inflated, that they may only end up needing a fraction of that amount in reality.

And $68 million might be enough. For comparison sake, the first 18 years of the stadium only required $42 million in repairs to come out of this fund and $10 million of that was for a new scoreboard alone.

The D-Backs are mad because they pay high rent AND they pay for routine maintenance for things such as the field, fan amenities, custodial work, and lighting. They feel like they are getting hit twice because their rent ultimately goes to the fund for major repairs as well.

So what? If I am renting a house and required to maintain the lawn; AND the landlord uses my rent money from that month to pay to repair the A/C unit that breaks down in July, do I really care if I feel like that was "my" money first?

Bottom line is that this is the contract the D-Backs agreed to when the County had to pony up the dough to help build the stadium in the first place. Ultimately, they don't have much legal recourse at this time and they know it. This was all about getting the dispute out into the court of public opinion to place pressure on the County to negotiate a better lease. But it appears they miscalculated terribly.

I think that's pretty much what I've stated above Crisper... However, the number I heard regarding the $$ the county currently has set aside is much lower than $8 million. Also, I recall seeing a breakdown of the dollars spent to-date on repairs and/or "maintenance" and the team has born a massive majority of those expenses.
If I were the team, I would be concerned about the county's ability to own up to their end of the deal in terms of money required for any/all repairs. In that sense, I really don't blame the team for their actions one bit.
In the end, there might not be any changes at all... But if I were the county, I'd be thinking bigger picture here and attempt to find a way to reach some form of agreement with the team that would set the stage for a more pleasant last half of the deal, as well as the potential for an extended relationship. At this stage, should nothing change, I'd say it's a done deal that the team will vacate Chase Field. And I don't see that benefiting anyone other than the team of course...
 

crisper57

Open the Roof!
Joined
Jan 23, 2007
Posts
14,950
Reaction score
1,019
Location
Phoenix, AZ
I think that's pretty much what I've stated above Crisper... However, the number I heard regarding the $$ the county currently has set aside is much lower than $8 million. Also, I recall seeing a breakdown of the dollars spent to-date on repairs and/or "maintenance" and the team has born a massive majority of those expenses.

If I were the team, I would be concerned about the county's ability to own up to their end of the deal in terms of money required for any/all repairs. In that sense, I really don't blame the team for their actions one bit.

In the end, there might not be any changes at all... But if I were the county, I'd be thinking bigger picture here and attempt to find a way to reach some form of agreement with the team that would set the stage for a more pleasant last half of the deal, as well as the potential for an extended relationship. At this stage, should nothing change, I'd say it's a done deal that the team will vacate Chase Field. And I don't see that benefiting anyone other than the team of course...



I agree with you 100%. Can't blame the team for trying, but I do think if the County wants to play hardball, the team has very little recourse, as allowed by the contract.

In the near term, the County may want to stick to its guns, especially if officials up for reelection soon have anything to say about it. But that may very well be short sighted and result in the team vacating in 12 years.

Personally, my gut tells me that the County will actually need to come up with somewhere in the neighborhood of $100M for its required repairs over the next 12 years, so something still has to change.
 

Latest posts

Staff online

Forum statistics

Threads
553,594
Posts
5,408,559
Members
6,319
Latest member
route66
Top