DC Replacement Options

[DaHilg]

If we should fire Vance after the season, what realistic options would you want?

I’d love Wade Phillips. You know you’re going to blitz the heck out of teams which could bode well as if we have consistency with our offense this we should be front runners in most games - forcing other teams to drop back and throw.

Other coach I would be interested in is I am guessing Vikings fire Mike Zimmer this year. (He could be a solid HC option as well to instill discipline, likes to run the ball for those that like that too). He’s always been a very solid DC and worked with quite a few pro bowl caliber linebackers over the years). Minny’s DBs were trashed last year abs he lost 2 of his best edge rushers this year, thus defense was up and down a little more than usual.

 

[Minski]

Wade Phillips

 

[Stout]

Zimmer is a no because he often plays chickebleep defense late in games that absolutely CRUSH their chances of winning. Blitz like crazy, then go soft like dough.

 

[DaHilg]

Zimmer is a no because he often plays chickebleep defense late in games that absolutely CRUSH their chances of winning. Blitz like crazy, then go soft like dough.

Very accurate.. can’t close games that way

 

[TheCardFan]

Vance Joseph D ranking by year.

I am not a fan of VJ but again, he has improved every year he has been here in points allowed.

What about talent? If you look at teams with 10 wins - where would you put our D talent vs others? I think we are near/at the bottom for both O and D.

Interesting numbers -
Rushing defense - bad in yards but excellent in rushing TD's
Passing defense - very good in yards (last 2 years) but bad in passing TD's

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[az jam]

Wade Phillips is 74 years old and hasn't coached for over two years. How about Mike Caldwell, he is only 50 years old.
Mike Caldwell, inside linebackers coach, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Caldwell, who logged 11 years as an NFL linebacker, is currently in his 14th season as an NFL assistant coach. Over the course of his entire NFL career, he's played for and worked under a series of coaching greats, including Bill Belichick, Nick Saban, Andy Reid and Bruce Arians. This guy has paid his dues, cutting his teeth under some of the best minds in the game.

 

[TheCardFan]

Here is Todd Bowles. I think we can all agree that Bowles had more talent than VJ at both AZ and TB.

As HC, his defenses with the Jets regressed to almost worst in the NFL (29/32 points allowed).

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[BullheadCardFan]

If we should fire Vance after the season, what realistic options would you want?

I’d love Wade Phillips. You know you’re going to blitz the heck out of teams which could bode well as if we have consistency with our offense this we should be front runners in most games - forcing other teams to drop back and throw.

Other coach I would be interested in is I am guessing Vikings fire Mike Zimmer this year. (He could be a solid HC option as well to instill discipline, likes to run the ball for those that like that too). He’s always been a very solid DC and worked with quite a few pro bowl caliber linebackers over the years). Minny’s DBs were trashed last year abs he lost 2 of his best edge rushers this year, thus defense was up and down a little more than usual.

I have talked about Wade Phillips and how he would free up the players to maximize their talents

Evan as an advisor to a DC like Zimmer or someone else who runs a simple attack type D

 

[AZfaninMN]

I have talked about Wade Phillips and how he would free up the players to maximize their talents

Evan as an advisor to a DC like Zimmer or someone else who runs a simple attack type D

Wade Phillips is retired and will stay that way. If he wanted a job he would have one by now. Also Zimmer has been a defensive coordinator/head coach for 17 years in the NFL and wouldn’t accept a role where he’d have an advisor.

A name I’ve mentioned before is Aaron Glenn for Detroit. If Campbell is fired and they blow up the coaching staff, he’s a young up and comer that has made the most out of a talentless D in Detroit.

 

[DaHilg]

Wade Phillips is retired and will stay that way. If he wanted a job he would have one by now. Also Zimmer has been a defensive coordinator/head coach for 17 years in the NFL and wouldn’t accept a role where he’d have an advisor.

A name I’ve mentioned before is Aaron Glenn for Detroit. If Campbell is fired and they blow up the coaching staff, he’s a young up and comer that has made the most out of a talentless D in Detroit.

I didn’t realize Phillips was quite that old, BUT a quick google search looks like he was ready to come out of retirement and unretire this year - I’d still take him. Sure it wouldn’t take much coaxing.

I’d be surprised if Detroit moves on from Campbell. Confident management and Campbell knew they were taking on a lame duck roster this year. I do look Glenn, was a fan of him as a player as well.

 

[TheCardFan]

Mike Zimmer:

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[TheCardFan]

Aaron Glenn

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[DaHilg]

Vance Joseph D ranking by year.

I am not a fan of VJ but again, he has improved every year he has been here in points allowed.

What about talent? If you look at teams with 10 wins - where would you put our D talent vs others? I think we are near/at the bottom for both O and D.

Interesting numbers -
Rushing defense - bad in yards but excellent in rushing TD's
Passing defense - very good in yards (last 2 years) but bad in passing TD's

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Without a doubt, the roster has missing talent - probably even more so depth.. but he also had 2 1st round picks he failed to utilize and a scheme that any even casual fan can see hasn’t worked and hasn’t adjusted playing time of personal.

I don’t feel VJ is making any player better based on his scheme. Do you? Plenty of times a coaches scheme maximizes players talents to see that same player go else where and stink the joint up because of a scheme change (and vice versa).

I’ll have to do some research, but I’d love to see overall time of possession of teams vs us for the year as well as after our winning streak… if largely slanted to our opponent that would definitely suppress total touchdowns and yards. Less possessions, less yards, less scoring all around in the game for the most part. May not hold water as I have no idea of the actual statistic, just a thought.

 

[juza76]

Without a doubt, the roster has missing talent - probably even more so depth.. but he also had 2 1st round picks he failed to utilize and a scheme that any even casual fan can see hasn’t worked and hasn’t adjusted playing time of personal.

I don’t feel VJ is making any player better based on his scheme. Do you? Plenty of times a coaches scheme maximizes players talents to see that same player go else where and stink the joint up because of a scheme change (and vice versa).

I’ll have to do some research, but I’d love to see overall time of possession of teams vs us for the year as well as after our winning streak… if largely slanted to our opponent that would definitely suppress total touchdowns and yards. Less possessions, less yards, less scoring all around in the game for the most part. May not hold water as I have no idea of the actual statistic, just a thought.

Well said
Thats why before calling someone a bust its better wait for a new DC

 

[AZfaninMN]

I didn’t realize Phillips was quite that old, BUT a quick google search looks like he was ready to come out of retirement and unretire this year - I’d still take him. Sure it wouldn’t take much coaxing.

I’d be surprised if Detroit moves on from Campbell. Confident management and Campbell knew they were taking on a lame duck roster this year. I do look Glenn, was a fan of him as a player as well.

As I stated, if he wanted a job, he would’ve had one. If you also google Wade Phillips return to the NFL, you’ll see he’s linked as an option to almost every team that needed a DC this off-season. I think he wanted to return, but Especially with how rampant Covid-19 is in the NFL, at his age it’s probably safer to stay retired.

 

[DaHilg]

As I stated, if he wanted a job, he would’ve had one. If you also google Wade Phillips return to the NFL, you’ll see he’s linked as an option to almost every team that needed a DC this off-season. I think he wanted to return, but Especially with how rampant Covid-19 is in the NFL, at his age it’s probably safer to stay retired.

Valid point

 

[DVontel]

Wade Phillips ain’t coming out of retirement & the last time he coached a defense, he made a defense with Aaron Donald & Jalen Ramsey look mediocre.

 

[cardpa]

Vance isn't going anywhere and he will not be a scapegoat. It's the way Keim and Bidwill operate. All this talk about replacing him is a wasted effort. The entire coaching staff will remain intact for 2022 unless a coach decides to leave of their own volition.

 

[AZman5103]

Buckner. He deserves a shot at being a DC. He is a great line coach.

 

[juza76]

Buckner. He deserves a shot at being a DC. He is a great line coach.

Not enough unfortunately
Even Vance Joseph can be a good defensive back coach

 

[ajcardfan]

Vance isn't going anywhere and he will not be a scapegoat. It's the way Keim and Bidwill operate. All this talk about replacing him is a wasted effort. The entire coaching staff will remain intact for 2022 unless a coach decides to leave of their own volition.

This. Bidwill is not going to go all Snyder all of the sudden.

 

[slanidrac16]

Vance isn't going anywhere and he will not be a scapegoat. It's the way Keim and Bidwill operate. All this talk about replacing him is a wasted effort. The entire coaching staff will remain intact for 2022 unless a coach decides to leave of their own volition.

Someone is going to get fired. There is no way Bidwill is going to clean house. Not with a 10-11 win playoff team and especially if we win a playoff game.
Right or wrong Everything points to our lb coach with the under development of Collins and Simmons.

 

[Snakester]

If they replace him whoever they get Ihope he plays a man style defense and not that ridiculous zone crap

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I should just copy and paste this often:
Get rid of Bill Davis and the defense will improve.

The defense isn't that bad right now. I know people are going by the last 3 games but the defense, overall on the year, hasn't been that bad at all.

And, Davis has more to do with the lack of development or use of Collins/Simmons than VJ. Davis is their position coach, ffs.

 

[AZman5103]

Not enough unfortunately
Even Vance Joseph can be a good defensive back coach

IMO He has earned it. When he goes to a team, their DL play improves. He is respected by players, and quite frankly he has to get a shot somewhere. He might flame out, but he might be a real gem. Unless there is a proven, great DC available (who would that be?) then I would rather give Buckner a shot.