DE depth officially a problem again.

[Cardiac]

Couldn't we do that anyway if Iwebema was tendered? I'm not up in arms because Iwebema is leaving--as many said, he's a very replaceable player. At the same time, there's virtually no cost to securing his services through the 2011 season. Why not keep him for now and cut him if it comes down to that? Now there is no safety net except hoping that some other team's garbage is better than him.

Yeah, don't have a good answer for you. Your reasoning makes more sense to me then not tendering him an offer. I guess with all the FA's and a draft heavy in DL talent the Cards feel they can replace Kenny easily.

 

[Duckjake]

Yeah, don't have a good answer for you. Your reasoning makes more sense to me then not tendering him an offer. I guess with all the FA's and a draft heavy in DL talent the Cards feel they can replace Kenny easily.

The Cards seem to think they can replace everyone easily. That's why they are almost always 5-11.

Notice that Watson wasn't tendered either. If Branch, KI and GW leave and Brian retires we have 3 defensive linemen who actually have uniform numbers. Dockett, Campbell and Williams.

 

[Early]

The Cards seem to think they can replace everyone easily. That's why they are almost always 5-11.

Notice that Watson wasn't tendered either. If Branch, KI and GW leave and Brian retires we have 3 defensive linemen who actually have uniform numbers. Dockett, Campbell and Williams.

Agree with that completely. Also i want to add that they think they can do this on the key positions on a footballteam. QB, DE.

Colts also change their whole team besides few positions that matter the most. They never change their QB, C, passrushers and MLB that is key in their defensive scheme. Everyone else can be replaced.

We needed to have the same attitude towards Warner. And we needed to invest more attention to great FA passrushers and also in the draft. Three or four positions define a footballteam and that is different from scheme to scheme. Everyone else can be replaced.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

Depth is very important, the 4th lineman is almost like a starter in 3-4.

But our starters are even more of a problem. You look at Docket and he would never fit into a Steelers defense as starter. He is a fantastic player on some schemes, but not this one.

Horton will need to run another defense with Docket up front. Let's see how he deals with that.

Listen to Horton's interviews. He is not married to a strict Pitt style use of his front three and in fact says, he'll hybrid some fronts to take advantage of present skills.

 

[Crazy Canuck]

If Bowers were to fall to us at 5, I would seriously consider taking him and moving to a 4-3. A d-line of Campbell-Willams-Dockett-Bowers would be a force.

You might consider it, but you can be sure that Horton and Whiz aren't.

 

[Early]

Listen to Horton's interviews. He is not married to a strict Pitt style use of his front three and in fact says, he'll hybrid some fronts to take advantage of present skills.

Offcourse, that makes it much harder for him. He has zero experience with something like that. It will be hard to call plays and create a new scheme without defensive line like he is used to.

We will see how much he can adapt, he will need to change alot of things and he will also need to learn just as much.

 

[Cardiac]

The Cards seem to think they can replace everyone easily. That's why they are almost always 5-11.

Notice that Watson wasn't tendered either. If Branch, KI and GW leave and Brian retires we have 3 defensive linemen who actually have uniform numbers. Dockett, Campbell and Williams.

Well they did tender Branch. Watson didn't get much playing time and when he did he was nearly invisible.

Last years offseason sucked big time since we lost our elite QB and Dansby. Other then that the TO was addressed fairly well. I do agree that the front office needs to do a better job of locking up "core" players sooner and more often.

 

[Duckjake]

Well they did tender Branch. Watson didn't get much playing time and when he did he was nearly invisible.

Last years offseason sucked big time since we lost our elite QB and Dansby. Other then that the TO was addressed fairly well. I do agree that the front office needs to do a better job of locking up "core" players sooner and more often.

You are kidding right? 5-11 and at or near the bottom of the NFL in almost every statistical category? Slaughtered by our divisional rivals 36-18, 27-6 and 38-7! I don't think the Cards addressed anything well.

 

[Cardiac]

You are kidding right? 5-11 and at or near the bottom of the NFL in almost every statistical category? Slaughtered by our divisional rivals 36-18, 27-6 and 38-7! I don't think the Cards addressed anything well.

The reason the Cards had the year you listed was because of the QB position. If Warner doesn't retire the Cards win 10 to 11 games last year. So other then the QB position and Karlos the Cards did fairly well with the TO of personnel. Yes I believe the putrid offense last year had a big impact on the statistical results of the defense.

 

[kerouac9]

The reason the Cards had the year you listed was because of the QB position. If Warner doesn't retire the Cards win 10 to 11 games last year. So other then the QB position and Karlos the Cards did fairly well with the TO of personnel. Yes I believe the putrid offense last year had a big impact on the statistical results of the defense.

Do you think that the Cards addressed the loss of Q well enough? Honestly? I get that QB was a problem, but Q managed to be successful when he had guys like Jeff Blake, Josh McCown, and #7 throwing to him. Breaston had his third declining year in a row.

 

[Stout]

Do you think that the Cards addressed the loss of Q well enough? Honestly? I get that QB was a problem, but Q managed to be successful when he had guys like Jeff Blake, Josh McCown, and #7 throwing to him. Breaston had his third declining year in a row.

We really got killed by injuries at the WR position last year. Doucet had looked to have broken out, Breaston was playing great the year before, even after injury, and we had some promising players to compete for #4. Sadly, Doucet returned to his glass form, Breaston started to show a propensity for injury only slightly less than Doucet, and Fitz was hurt. We started Steve Williams at one point, for crying out loud.

So, I guess we didn't adequately address his departure, but it is an understandable mistake, as it looked like we would be fine at the position.

 

[Duckjake]

The reason the Cards had the year you listed was because of the QB position. If Warner doesn't retire the Cards win 10 to 11 games last year. So other then the QB position and Karlos the Cards did fairly well with the TO of personnel. Yes I believe the putrid offense last year had a big impact on the statistical results of the defense.

I really hope that the team doesn't buy into this myth and end up overlooking all the other problems they have. Especially on Defense.

 

[desertdawg]

Do you think that the Cards addressed the loss of Q well enough? Honestly? I get that QB was a problem, but Q managed to be successful when he had guys like Jeff Blake, Josh McCown, and #7 throwing to him. Breaston had his third declining year in a row.

Q would probably still be in the hospital if he was catching DA's passes. Q is a man and would have gone up and after every highly thrown ball by DA, no matter who was coming at him. It hurt us a little losing him, but we still had a nice receiving trio to throw to. Until DA was getting them crunched over the middle or leaving them vulnerable, arms raised up, sitting ducks in the air . So glad I don't have to watch him anymore!

 

[Buckybird]

So glad I don't have to watch him anymore!

He's not off the roster yet...if someone has a good reason, I would like to know why. WTF

 

[Crazy Canuck]

He's not off the roster yet...if someone has a good reason, I would like to know why. WTF

He isn't costing anything at this point. They can do it whenever they like.

 

[Gee!]

This K9 this is why the Cards will never be a great team for more than a few seasons. They tend to let most of their very good players go in FA & try to plug holes with less talented/expensive guys or plug with a draft pick...then that guy isnt as good of a player. It's like plugging 10 holes in the leaking dyke with 2 fingers & expecting it to stop. This team doesn't draft well enough to do this!!!

Until ownership decides to play big boy NFL ball instead of skimping on $$$ & it's core players...we're still the same ole Cardinals.

hahaha you just said you were gonna finger a dyke..

 

[kerouac9]

hahaha you just said you were gonna finger a dyke..

Stay classy, Gee.

 

[Chopper0080]

Good depth in this draft for 5 techs, not worried.

 

[Cardiac]

Do you think that the Cards addressed the loss of Q well enough? Honestly? I get that QB was a problem, but Q managed to be successful when he had guys like Jeff Blake, Josh McCown, and #7 throwing to him. Breaston had his third declining year in a row.

Stout said it well for me. I'll add that Roberts and Breaston have far better seasons with Warner at QB instead of the mess we trotted out there.

 

[Cardiac]

I really hope that the team doesn't buy into this myth and end up overlooking all the other problems they have. Especially on Defense.

Let's define the myth. With Warner at QB this team wins 10 games last year. Does this mean the defense is great or even good, nope. We still need an OLB(pass rusher) and SLIB that are quality NFL starters. We need a CB to challenge Toller so that we are 3 deep at the position. The D needed a new DC and we now have one. Dumpster Dan & Washington need to live up to where they were drafted (1st & 2nd rounders).

IMWO that's what is needed for our D to be good and approaching great.

 

[Duckjake]

Let's define the myth. With Warner at QB this team wins 10 games last year. Does this mean the defense is great or even good, nope. We still need an OLB(pass rusher) and SLIB that are quality NFL starters. We need a CB to challenge Toller so that we are 3 deep at the position. The D needed a new DC and we now have one. Dumpster Dan & Washington need to live up to where they were drafted (1st & 2nd rounders).

IMWO that's what is needed for our D to be good and approaching great.

Do they? The Cards only won 10 games with Warner in 2009 with Dansby, Boldin, and a healthy Wilson.

 

[RonF]

Our offensive line isn't exactly what we all hoped for, plenty of room for improvement also.

 

[MadCardDisease]

I'm not that concerned with DE depth. We can find good backups later in the draft. I'm more conecerned with NT. Right now the only NT on the team is Dan Williams. Who is going to be his backup? I believe that Watson wasn't tendered so he will be an Unrestricted FA.