Deandre Ayton discussion

[GatorAZ]

Ayton is averaging less than 2 made FT’s per game for his career...

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Ayton is averaging less than 2 made FT’s per game for his career...

Been harping on that for three straight years now.

 

[GatorAZ]

Been harping on that for three straight years now.

It’s a mind blowing stat considering he’s an excellent FT shooter for his position.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

It’s a mind blowing stat considering he’s an excellent FT shooter for his position.

Agreed. It’s virtually unfathomable. You’d think a guy who plays in the paint at 30+ minutes per game would fall into 4 FT attempts per game. He has to work to avoid that much contact.

 

[Muggz]

he’s Pedro Cerrano in Major League 2.

Then we need someone to steal Jobus Rum

 

[taz02]

Ayton ranks 6th in personal fouls out of 500 players! That can't be good.

 

[Bufalay]

Yup. So we know he’s DEFINITELY not an alpha. But he doesn’t even seem to want the secondary or tertiary role. He just wants to fit in on a fun ride. Tough to blame him, who doesn’t? It’s just rare to see so little ambition from a high flight athlete. And disappointing when he’s your guy that you took with #1 pick and who obviously has so much ability.

I think the problem is that the skills that he does have are best for a primary scoring role. He can create his own shot and find open players. It's just that he doesn't do those things very efficiently. He doesn't have the skills to be a good role player (hit open jump shots, roll to the rim, catch passes). Kind of like Josh Jackson and Michael Beasley.

 

[Mainstreet]

I think the problem is that the skills that he does have are best for a primary scoring role. He can create his own shot and find open players. It's just that he doesn't do those things very efficiently. He doesn't have the skills to be a good role player (hit open jump shots, roll to the rim, catch passes). Kind of like Josh Jackson and Michael Beasley.

Ayton reminds me a bit like an early Enes Kanter. He could score but was constantly criticized for his lack of defense.

Still he is a pretty good center for Portland. He can score and rebound. Defense is still not the best but sometimes one has to look at what a player can do instead of what they can't.

 

[Bufalay]

Ayton reminds me a bit like an early Enes Kanter. He could score but was constantly criticized for his lack of defense.

Still he is a pretty good center for Portland. He can score and rebound. Defense is still not the best but sometimes one has to look at what a player can do instead of what they can't.

That's a good, and depressing, comparison. Kanter has some very high level skills, but also limitations that almost completely negate his positive contributions.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Ayton reminds me a bit like an early Enes Kanter. He could score but was constantly criticized for his lack of defense.

Still he is a pretty good center for Portland. He can score and rebound. Defense is still not the best but sometimes one has to look at what a player can do instead of what they can't.

Utah was 19th, 24th, and 29th in DRTG in Kanter’s first three years. The year they were 29th he started and played close to 30mpg.

The Suns are 4th in DRTG this year.

This is delusional claptrap.

 

[Mainstreet]

That's a good, and depressing, comparison. Kanter has some very high level skills, but also limitations that almost completely negate his positive contributions.

Notice I said early Enes Kanter because I think Ayton can be so much more that. Ayton is much more athletic and has the ability to be good defensively. I don't think Kanter ever had the tools to be a good defender.

Different parts of a player's game can develop at different speeds.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

We know he has the ability to be good defensively. We know this because he has played well defensively. All year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

We know he has the ability to be good defensively. We know this because he has played well defensively. All year.

Except for lately when he can’t stay on the court because he’s fouling instead of playing good defense. But yeah “all year.”

 

[Proximo]

Except for lately when he can’t stay on the court because he’s fouling instead of playing good defense. But yeah “all year.”

It totally depends on who he is guarding. But yeah if teams make a concerted effort to go at him they can get him in foul trouble pretty easily.

it really sucks the team badly needs his defense and rim running and he is conpletely unreliable.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE.

121/107 RTG splits

30mpg

Missed zero games

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Just more of the same from Mr. Unreliable.

ya’ll remind me of this:

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[Carolinacacti]

Just more of the same from Mr. Unreliable.

ya’ll remind me of this:

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WhyMe I agree with you Ayton plays outside most of the nights and he is like used for other things then stats and he still has them. The Haters want more and I get their crap but it was the Lakers with no center. Ayton could of had 50 points but the Suns do not use him like that. Not a good game to pound the chest.,,,,,,

 

[Covert Rain]

Again, don't know if I buy into the entire light switch cliche.....but damn if I don't see it and want to rush over there and smash that damn switch with a hammer.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

WhyMe I agree with you Ayton plays outside most of the nights and he is like used for other things then stats and he still has them. The Haters want more and I get their crap but it was the Lakers with no center. Ayton could of had 50 points but the Suns do not use him like that. Not a good game to pound the chest.,,,,,,

I hear ya, but I’m sure that the haters were expecting him to struggle on offense anyway.

And his defense was extremely good.

 

[JCSunsfan]

WhyAM, on Ayton, I tend to agree with you for the most part, but I have enough sense to not try to constantly poke the bears here.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

WhyAM, on Ayton, I tend to agree with you for the most part, but I have enough sense to not try to constantly poke the bears here.

God’s work you’re doing.

We need you on that wall.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

Loololooolilolooloolol

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Loololooolilolooloolol

I continue to give you chance after chance and you continue to act like a troll.

This is your last warning

 

[GatorAZ]

We’ve seen this version of Ayton before for 3-4 game stretches. When it’s good it’s really good.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

We’ve seen this version of Ayton before for 3-4 game stretches. When it’s good it’s really good.

It's better than good. He had a rough start and then just really dominated the paint. He got zero help from the officials either.