Johninromania
Veteran
Well, you don’t mask anabolic use with a diuretic. You mask weed with diuretics.
I believe the two are in different categories. Marijuana has a very specific set of punishments. What we don’t know is whether he has already gotten a warning for it or not. Would be a fine if it was his 2nd offense.If/When Ayton tests positive for weed at some point after this suspension, will that be his first infraction, or his second, as far as the drug policy?
This is why this is so confusing him popping hot for a diuretic and the punishment for using a diuretic is baffling. Because it doesent mask PED use. Most likely this is a outdated punishment that hasn’t been revised.I believe the two are in different categories. Marijuana has a very specific set of punishments. What we don’t know is whether he has already gotten a warning for it or not. Would be a fine if it was his 2nd offense.
Yes and yes.If it's linked to marijuana than Ayton has to be a complete idiot to use a diuretic to try and cover it up...
This might be why the players union wanted to appeal.This is why this is so confusing him popping hot for a diuretic and the punishment for using a diuretic is baffling. Because it doesent mask PED use. Most likely this is a outdated punishment that hasn’t been revised.
This is why this is so confusing him popping hot for a diuretic and the punishment for using a diuretic is baffling. Because it doesent mask PED use. Most likely this is a outdated punishment that hasn’t been revised.
Oh yes. I agree that is the reason for the penalty. It just seems antiquated though. If PED's can't be masked with diuretics, and they don't really seem to care that much about marijuana, why have such a severe penalty? There could be such a thing as accidental ingestion of diuretics. It would make more sense to have identical penalties for both. Even then, if hair tests are more accurate, why not just yank a hair and have it tested? Seems to make more sense than peeing in a cup. Who cares if it takes a little more time or costs a little more. The NBA does not benefit from having any of its players on suspension. If the hair test is more definitive, can't be cheated, and cannot produce false positives, it is a no-brainer.I’m thinking the idea behind such a steep suspension for diuretics is that it suggests that you are trying to cheat the system by hiding using something else. Even if the thing you are trying to hide is only marijuana you are still being deceitful.
That has to be agreed upon in the cbaIMO, instead of suspending a player 25 games or whatever for the use of a diuretic, the solution is increased random drug tests administered right on the spot so they cannot be altered.
If a player is using it will be clear enough and the applicable penalty can be applied.
That has to be agreed upon in the cba
Sorry I took your post as saying instead of suspension the nba should increase testing. Hence my post saying it’s not solely up to the nba. The union has to agree to it and they’ve never seemed all that keen to adding more random testing.That's only my solution to solve this mess.
Sorry I took your post as saying instead of suspension the nba should increase testing. Hence my post saying it’s not solely up to the nba. The union has to agree to it and they’ve never seemed all that keen to adding more random testing.
they literally revised the punishment this year, I believe.
they may have updated the policy, but like many things it doesent mean they used modern scientific norms.
I’ve been quite active in the powerlifting world for the last seven years or so, where PED use is rampant. I’ve never heard of using diuretics as a masking agent for anabolics or sarms. It can be used to mask EPO use but a basketball player wouldn’t be intrested in that kind of drug as it’s used by cyclist and long distance runners.
I am just baffled why anyone would choose to mask anything by this method as it’s not even really effective. I’m sure this is most likely a error.
It’s just not something you see outside those two sports. There are other cheaper options out there for stamina purposes. EPO is pretty hard core and can cost up to 30k for a cycle. Sarms would be the choice for most athletes. EPO is overkill for a basketball playerI'm not that familiar with EPO but why do you say it's not something for a basketball player but it would be something a long distance runner or cyclist would use? Is it something that improves stamina? If so, then maybe he did try it. I'm not saying he did but he spoke about working on his stamina this offseason and it was something he struggled with last year. He would come out playing well and then by the 2nd half he'd be gassed. It wasn't just Ayton himself who commented on his stamina either, that's something that's been discussed by numerous analysts and fans. If he were to do a PED then I would bet it was something that could help improve his stamina.
From everything I've seen, he's been practicing AND traveling with the team. He just can't be at the arena 2 hours before tipoff, wherever that arena may be.I'm curious how often Ayton has been with the team for practices. I hope he's attending the majority of home practices. I can't fault him for not traveling with the team but they've been home for a couple of weeks so he should have been a part of most activities. I don't imagine we'll know how often he's been there until things get close to ending, then one of the talking heads will say something about how often he's practiced with the club. Thankfully he's allowed to do so still.
This suspension is going to take forever. I am convinced that Ayton was masking which makes what he did selfish. After listening to Clayton, he said that the NBA basically doesn't even care about pot. Each player gets about 3 chances before it even goes public and something else happens. So, Ayton trying to mask pot doesn't hold water. The NBAPA didn't rush to reduce his suspension which means they are not convinced it was an accident.
He was masking something else.
Really Sucks...now we have to just wait to see how good this team can really be. We have fallen back down to earth and now basically a .500 team again.
Only 26 days to go!!!