DeCastro or Ingram

[WildBB]

Pick who you'd take, if both were available to draft.

 

[Jay Cardinal]

I chose Ingram. I think the Cards are still transitioning to the 3-4 defense. A key part of the 3-4 is having talented, aggressive OLB. At 6-1, 264 Ingram fits the bill. He can rush the passer and has the size to hold the edge in the run game.

 

[az jam]

Tough choice. I picked De Castro as I think he can be a starter for 10 years and is the best at his position in a long time. However, I do like Ingram.

 

[Bodha]

Between the two, Ingram.


Having 1 talented guard amongst 3 other terrible lineman is a waste of a pick. Thats like having a soup strainer with 4 holes and plugging one of them. Useless battle.

Our D is currently beast. Could be elite with a few more pieces

 

[Jetstream Green]

Between the two, Ingram.


Having 1 talented guard amongst 3 other terrible lineman is a waste of a pick. Thats like having a soup strainer with 4 holes and plugging one of them. Useless battle.

Our D is currently beast. Could be elite with a few more pieces

But don't you have to start somewhere Boda, if only with one player? lol...but I also like the logic of taking something great and making it a force which can decide a game, even with sporadic QB play

 

[Bodha]

But don't you have to start somewhere Boda, if only with one player? lol...but I also like the logic of taking something great and making it a force which can decide a game, even with sporadic QB play

Colledge and Snyder are good enough. Plenty of teams have won superbowls with average Olines -Steelers (multiple times), Packers, Giants.

Like I said, we are a few pieces away from an elite D. Id say an OLB and a CB and we are up there with the 49ers and Ravens of the league.

Ravens have proved that you can go deep into the playoffs with D alone. And Larry will get us the rest of the way.

 

[Jetstream Green]

but what if they sneak Larry on the Madden cover by himself and he gets hurt LOL

 

[JeffGollin]

DeCastro. In case of BPA ties, go for need (with Snyder moving to RT and DCastro,slotted at RG).

 

[Bodha]

but what if they sneak Larry on the Madden cover by himself and he gets hurt LOL

Larrys already proved to be impervious to the Madden Curse. Troy, however, was not.


and as long as Skelton and Kolb are on the roster, I doubt Larry will be getting Madden cover numbers.

 

[SissyBoyFloyd]

DeCastro for sure. He is my first choice for the Cards. We need someone like that in that position so bad.

 

[Cardiac]

I voted Ingram even though O-line is a bigger need. From what I've read and the little I've seen of Ingram he could play just about any of the LBer positions. Horton will have a blast moving him around and scheming a bunch of different looks with him on the field.

He will give us some rotation for passing downs with Acho and Scho and may be able to take a good number of reps from Bradley and Lenon as the season progresses.

DeCastro is probably the safer pick as he has a very high floor but he may already be close to his ceiling. I'd prefer to add to the D with Ingram and then use a pick or two in rds 2 thru 5 on O-lineman.

 

[Chopper0080]

Ingram, especially with Horton coaching the defense. Pass rushers are priceless.

 

[kerouac9]

Ingram, especially with Horton coaching the defense. Pass rushers are priceless.

This. Hopefully we won't be in a position to draft one of the two or three best pass rushers in a draft for a little while. Schofield is still an unproven commodity.

People who don't think that OLB is a need haven't looked at the players we actually have on the roster.

 

[Snakester]

Decastro by far. If I were gonna take a passrusher at 13 it would be Mercilus not Ingram.

 

[Chopper0080]

This. Hopefully we won't be in a position to draft one of the two or three best pass rushers in a draft for a little while. Schofield is still an unproven commodity.

People who don't think that OLB is a need haven't looked at the players we actually have on the roster.

Surprised we haven't re-signed Haggens yet, but I am sure we will if we don't add an OLB with the first pick.

Our OLB depth right now is Acho, Schofield, and two undrafted players. OLB is a huge need in terms of both quality and quantity.

 

[Chopper0080]

Decastro by far. If I were gonna take a passrusher at 13 it would be Mercilus not Ingram.

For sure, let's bank on a guy who has 1 year of decent college production and has never played standing up with the #13 pick in the entire draft. Great idea right there.

 

[Mitch]

The Cardinals are so enamored with DeCastro---he would be the pick.

However, I chose Ingram because I already like Snyder at RG and feel like we can get a good tackle like Jeff Allen at #80.

Imo, we HAVE to try to catch up with the 49ers talent-wise on defense---and we are making strides, but we lack the truly dynamic edge rusher and the 49ers have three real good ones in Aldon Smith, Ahmad Brooks and Paris Harylson.

 

[Mitch]

For sure, let's bank on a guy who has 1 year of decent college production and has never played standing up with the #13 pick in the entire draft. Great idea right there.

Last year the same 1 year of college production scenario applied to Aldon Smith and Robert Quinn---and it looks like both the 49ers and the Rams made good calls on them. But, I know what you mean Chopper---it's a crap shoot at times with 1 year wonders.

 

[kerouac9]

Surprised we haven't re-signed Haggens yet, but I am sure we will if we don't add an OLB with the first pick.

Our OLB depth right now is Acho, Schofield, and two undrafted players. OLB is a huge need in terms of both quality and quantity.

I expect that we'll re-sign Haggans even if we draft OLB with the first pick. I think it would be a Brian Robinson/Dan Williams situation (hopefully with better results, though).

Vonnie Holliday hasn't been re-signed, either. The Offseason Training Program starts next week.

 

[Totally_Red]

PFW

Just picked up a copy of the 2012 Pro Football Draft Guide.

They've got David DeCastro projected as the #1 G and a top 20 pick.
"Strong, physical and coordinated, DeCastro was bred in a pro-style offense where he consistently played at an elite level. Fits seamlessly in ANY blocking scheme, is ready to step into a starting lineup and grades out as one of the best guard prospects in a decade.
Downside: could stand to bulk up his frame and get bigger; not an elite athlete; could stand to play with more consistent body power, occasionally lets his pads rise and gets narrow-based; ducks his head, bends at the waist and slips off blocks;

They have Melvin Ingram as the #1 DE and a Round 1 pick.
"A powerfully-built leverage rusher with intriguing versatility to fit inside or outside in a "40" front. Ingram could even stand up as a 3-4 outside linebacker and his versatility is a plus.
Downside: short arms; only one-year starter; can be late to locate the ball; inconsistent motor; spoiled and a bit immature early;

 

[Crazy Canuck]

I can easily imagine that Decastro will be selected to more ALL-PRO teams and attend more Pro Bowls, so he's my choice.

 

[BurqueCardFan]

I am fully on the BPA bandwagon and have been for years. I just do see Decastro being the BPA at #13 in most scenarios. If two players are very close, then I think need would be considered. But I do not think the interior of our line is a need at this point. I don't know enough about Ingram to know if he is BPA over Decastro.

 

[Snakester]

R

For sure, let's bank on a guy who has 1 year of decent college production and has never played standing up with the #13 pick in the entire draft. Great idea right there.

Ingram is also a one year wonder. Mercilus led all of college football with 16 sacks and 9 forced fumbles so yea it is a great idea.

 

[WildBB]

R
Ingram is also a one year wonder. Mercilus led all of college football with 16 sacks and 9 forced fumbles so yea it is a great idea.

And so is Mercilus. He'll need to get stronger to be successful, which he could do if he has the desire to improve.

Ingram is a much stronger player.

 

[Garthshort]

More often than not I've read that DeCastro is a "sure thing" and I've never read that about Ingram. Of course we know there is probably no such thing as a ''sure" thing, and Mitch makes a good point that we already have a good RG, so based on need he opts for Ingram. IMO, it's a mute point because I don't think that Ingram will be available at #13. I go back to the old football axiom, that you build your team starting with the OL and DL. As you all know we have a good DL but we need to address the OL. And don't tell me that you don't draft based on need, you just don't reach for a player based on need. My choice for #13 is Reiff as tackles are more important than guards, another axiom. For this thread I went with DeCastro, but feel that on Thursday the 26th we trade back and select Cordy Glenn. JMWO.