Defense, Defense, and more Defense

[Krangodnzr]

Ed Oliver was the 9th pick of the 2019 draft.

And he had 2.5 sacks this year...

 

[FB94]

Three scenarios I want for first round in order of preference: 1) If both Anderson and Carter are still there at 3, trade back one spot to four with Colts, still have your choice of Anderson and Carter. 2) If no trade arises just pick Anderson or Carter, don’t over think it. 3) Both Anderson and Carter are gone, trade down no more than 5 spots and get more picks. Scenarios 1 and 2 are most likely to me.

 

[MadCardDisease]

This is how I feel as well. Start the rebuild around the Defense. I'd like to see Murphy back but he will not be cheap. I'd love to have Zach Allen back but I think someone will overpay for him. I only bring Allen back if he can be had for a decent price.

Again it depends on who they bring in as the HC as to who they try and keep around. But yeah I'd build my defense first with some young studs to complement what little we have on that side of the ball right now.

 

[BirdGangThing]

This is how I feel as well. Start the rebuild around the Defense. I'd like to see Murphy back but he will not be cheap. I'd love to have Zach Allen back but I think someone will overpay for him. I only bring Allen back if he can be had for a decent price.

Again it depends on who they bring in as the HC as to who they try and keep around. But yeah I'd build my defense first with some young studs to complement what little we have on that side of the ball right now.

I kinda have a feeling Flores will be asking about Murphy and Allen in particular today lol

 

[QuebecCard]

This is how I feel as well. Start the rebuild around the Defense. I'd like to see Murphy back but he will not be cheap. I'd love to have Zach Allen back but I think someone will overpay for him. I only bring Allen back if he can be had for a decent price.

Again it depends on who they bring in as the HC as to who they try and keep around. But yeah I'd build my defense first with some young studs to complement what little we have on that side of the ball right now.

Given a choice between Allen and Murphy after JJ's retirement, I definitely go with Allen.

If you're concerned with building the 'D', you start with the front seven and then head towards the rear.

 

[BirdGangThing]

Given a choice between Allen and Murphy after JJ's retirement, I definitely go with Allen.

If you're concerned with building the 'D', you start with the front seven and then head towards the rear.

Murphy is also a home town kid with superstar potential, I think we have to keep them both especially if DeAndre is DeGone saving us $30 million in 2013 cap space, not to mention JJ's money

This is also where having a defensive minded coach can help you. A new head coach like Flores who has taken defenses from squalor to the higher echelon can make promises and assure them things will be different

 

[Proximo]

Three scenarios I want for first round in order of preference: 1) If both Anderson and Carter are still there at 3, trade back one spot to four with Colts, still have your choice of Anderson and Carter. 2) If no trade arises just pick Anderson or Carter, don’t over think it. 3) Both Anderson and Carter are gone, trade down no more than 5 spots and get more picks. Scenarios 1 and 2 are most likely to me.

Not realistic. If the Colts decide to trade up, it will be to one.

Bears will trade down to 2 or 4. It's a complete lock IMO.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

You look at the Bills & realize trading back with a game changing pass-rusher in front of you is also dumb.

Buffalo has invested a lot into the DL the past couple years, but they all have been lower end picks which has turned into JAGs. They weren’t able to sniff Burrow at all yesterday despite Burrow’s OL missing 3 starters due to injuries.

No trade back scenario under any circumstance. None.

Completely disagree. In some weird scenario when Anderson/Carter go 1-2, we'd BETTER trade back.

 

[Chopper0080]

Will Anderson & Siaki Ika & I’m satisfied.

I have run into this a lot when working through the draft. I know Harry has it too high but there are a couple Cs at that 2nd round spot who are interesting as well.

Just looking at the depth of the draft class, some combination of EDGE, DL, OL, CB is the likely run out. CB class is deep.

 

[DVontel]

Completely disagree. In some weird scenario when Anderson/Carter go 1-2, we'd BETTER trade back.

I think it’s next to impossible they won’t go 1-2.

 

[Chopper0080]

You look at the Bills & realize trading back with a game changing pass-rusher in front of you is also dumb.

Buffalo has invested a lot into the DL the past couple years, but they all have been lower end picks which has turned into JAGs. They weren’t able to sniff Burrow at all yesterday despite Burrow’s OL missing 3 starters due to injuries.

No trade back scenario under any circumstance. None.

One thing that I see which supports not trading back from 3 is how much of an advantage it is being able to pressure with 4 players. KC, Cincy, SF, and PHI all able to rush four and play max coverage behind it.

It is one reason I would prefer to re-sign Allen over Murphy. Anderson/Carter and Allen, Thomas, and Sanders is a nice start to a solid front 4/5.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

I think it’s next to impossible they won’t go 1-2.

So there is a scenario you would want to trade back?

 

[DVontel]

So there is a scenario you would want to trade back?

No, cause that’s not happening.

 

[MadCardDisease]

No, cause that’s not happening.

But you just said it's next to impossible they won't go 1-2

 

[football karma]

One thing that I see which supports not trading back from 3 is how much of an advantage it is being able to pressure with 4 players. KC, Cincy, SF, and PHI all able to rush four and play max coverage behind it.

with the added benefit that those four players (usually) aren't liabilities vs the run

 

[Chopper0080]

with the added benefit that those four players (usually) aren't liabilities vs the run

Reddick is probably the only one that I would designate as a liability vs the run but yes, all have big, physical defensive fronts. (and offensive fronts as well)

 

[oaken1]

So there is a scenario you would want to trade back?

think he just forgot a comma

I think its impossible, they wont go 1-2

 

[MadCardDisease]

Murphy is also a home town kid with superstar potential, I think we have to keep them both especially if DeAndre is DeGone saving us $30 million in 2013 cap space, not to mention JJ's money

This is also where having a defensive minded coach can help you. A new head coach like Flores who has taken defenses from squalor to the higher echelon can make promises and assure them things will be different

Trading DHop will only save about $8M on the 2023 cap and the rest is dead money against the cap. Watt's money counts no matter what I believe (That is how the Cards structured his contract to fit him under the cap) so no saving there.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

No, cause that’s not happening.

You could just say that there is a unlikely scenario when I would welcome a trade down, instead of doubling down.

 

[QuebecCard]

Murphy is also a home town kid with superstar potential, I think we have to keep them both especially if DeAndre is DeGone saving us $30 million in 2013 cap space, not to mention JJ's money

This is also where having a defensive minded coach can help you. A new head coach like Flores who has taken defenses from squalor to the higher echelon can make promises and assure them things will be different

???

Go to Spotrac or Over the Cap.

Trading Dhop this year = $22m dead money hit - and we add $8.1m to the available Cap.

JJ is a $3.4m Cap hit in 2023.

 

[QuebecCard]

I think it’s next to impossible they won’t go 1-2.

 

[CardNots]

THAT DID IT, I AM DONE WITH THIS TEAM.

I’ve said this so many times that even I don’t believe it anymore, but I still say it

 

[MadCardDisease]

???

Go to Spotrac or Over the Cap.

Trading Dhop this year = $22m dead money hit - and we add $8.1m to the available Cap.

JJ is a $3.4m Cap hit in 2023.

JJ's contract Voids March 16th and I think all of his remaining $7.2M are accelerated to this year. I'm not 100% sure though.

 

[QuebecCard]

JJ's contract Voids March 16th and I think all of his remaining $7.2M are accelerated to this year. I'm not 100% sure though.

$3.4m this year, $4.8m next.

 

[MadCardDisease]

JJ's contract Voids March 16th and I think all of his remaining $7.2M are accelerated to this year. I'm not 100% sure though.

Nope The Cardinals can cut him after the new league year starts and designate him a June 1st cut to save money this year.