Defensive Snap Counts @DEN

[kerouac9]

DL: Tommy Kelly 68, Kareem Martin 65, Frostee Rucker 50, Calais Campbell 34, Dan Williams 22, Ed Stinson 3, Alameda Ta’amu.

LB: Larry Foote 81, Matt Shaughnessy 58, Sam Acho 25, Kevin Minter 17, Alex Okafor 10.

DB: Tony Jefferson 81, Antonio Cromartie 81, Rashad Johnson 77, Jerraud Powers 68, Patrick Peterson 65, Deone Bucannon 62, Tyrann Mathieu 15, Justin Bethel 2.

Read more: http://www.foxsports910.com/onair/m...snap-count-vs-broncos-12832980/#ixzz3FO6vw0Xp

Per MJ.

Yikes.

 

[NMCard]

Martin is getting quite a few snaps. With all the holes in this defense at LB why is Minter getting so few snaps?

 

[BigRedRage]

Martin is getting quite a few snaps. With all the holes in this defense at LB why is Minter getting so few snaps?

4-1-6 D. Likely running it due to lack of depth at LB though.

 

[Russ Smith]

Martin is getting quite a few snaps. With all the holes in this defense at LB why is Minter getting so few snaps?

Run defense isn't a problem so they don't need him in there for that. he's not good in the pass defense so it doesn't make sense to play him.

Does suck though 2nd round pick can't get on the field much, first round pick not at all.

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Does suck though 2nd round pick can't get on the field much, first round pick not at all.

Concerning.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Run defense isn't a problem so they don't need him in there for that. he's not good in the pass defense so it doesn't make sense to play him.

Does suck though 2nd round pick can't get on the field much, first round pick not at all.

Agreed. As of RIGHT NOW, that looks like two major whiffs. I don't see it changing with Minter. He's slow as sin and completely one dimensional, but hope it changes with Cooper. But the fact that he can't beat out two undrafted Gs, over a year after his injury is disconcerting.

 

[Russ Smith]

Agreed. As of RIGHT NOW, that looks like two major whiffs. I don't see it changing with Minter. He's slow as sin and completely one dimensional, but hope it changes with Cooper. But the fact that he can't beat out two undrafted Gs, over a year after his injury is disconcerting.

I'm still hoping this is a case of Arians trying to teach him a lesson, if he's really not as good as those 2 guys it's a massive swing and miss.

I actually wonder if we tried to trade him right now what the market would be.

 

[gmabel830]

I wonder what people would have predicted our record would be if they were told that these guys would be getting the most reps at their positions in week 4:

Tommy Kelly, Kareem Martin, Frostee Rucker

Larry Foote, Matt Shaughnessy

Tony Jefferson, Antonio Cromartie, Rashad Johnson, Jerraud Powers

 

[WildBB]

In a pass happy league, the 6 DB sets are getting to be norm after 1st downs.

Even more now with the emphasis on defensive holding. You need to be stacked back there.

 

[wa52lz]

Anyone know why Kaiser didnt play?

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm still hoping this is a case of Arians trying to teach him a lesson, if he's really not as good as those 2 guys it's a massive swing and miss.

I actually wonder if we tried to trade him right now what the market would be.

You don't teach lessons to a better football player by benching him for weeks behind a worse one. You bench him for a couple of series, maybe a half.


The market for him would be very poor IMO. Why would anyone give up more than a 6th round pick for a guy who 1) missed a year on IR and sat the first 1/4 of the next on the bench and 2) the team that drafted him trying to get rid of him before the end of his 2nd season with an oline that does no have jaw-dropping talent?

 

[gmabel830]

Anyone know why Kaiser didnt play?

He was inactive for Okafor, I believe.

 

[Russ Smith]

You don't teach lessons to a better football player by benching him for weeks behind a worse one. You bench him for a couple of series, maybe a half.


The market for him would be very poor IMO. Why would anyone give up more than a 6th round pick for a guy who 1) missed a year on IR and sat the first 1/4 of the next on the bench and 2) the team that drafted him trying to get rid of him before the end of his 2nd season with an oline that does no have jaw-dropping talent?

I'm not saying we should trade him I'm wondering is the rest of the league as down on him as BA appears to be? I still think we should hang on to the kid, he's not healthy yet, if he is I suspect he's going to be much better than Ted Larsen is fairly quickly.

I'm just curious if the rest of the NFL thinks he's a bust already or if they just think he's had some bad luck.

 

[ajcardfan]

I'm not saying we should trade him I'm wondering is the rest of the league as down on him as BA appears to be? I still think we should hang on to the kid, he's not healthy yet, if he is I suspect he's going to be much better than Ted Larsen is fairly quickly.

I'm just curious if the rest of the NFL thinks he's a bust already or if they just think he's had some bad luck.

I don't know how the rest of the NFL could possibly know unless: 1) they would believe his agent. or 2) a cards coach would be giving out info he shouldn't be giving out.

 

[MrYeahBut]

I saw Minter's # all day..... Oh wait, that's because I was sitting right behind the Cards bench at the game and he was on the sideline with his back to me watching the defense play!!!!

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[ajcardfan]

I saw Minter's # all day..... Oh wait, that's because I was sitting right behind the Cards bench at the game and he was on the sideline with his back to me watching the defense play!!!!

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It's like Johnny Rutledge all over again.

Missing on the first two picks from last year's draft would really hurt the franchise long term. First of all, we might have to consider high draft picks on those same positions again in lieu of addressing the damn pass rusher need yet again.

Ideally, one or both of these guys turn it around real soon. I think Cooper is more likely to do that than Minter. But, that might only be because he hasn't played and Minter has. Maybe he will suck when he gets serious regular season reps.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It's like Johnny Rutledge all over again.

Missing on the first two picks from last year's draft would really hurt the franchise long term. First of all, we might have to consider high draft picks on those same positions again in lieu of addressing the damn pass rusher need yet again.

Ideally, one or both of these guys turn it around real soon. I think Cooper is more likely to do that than Minter. But, that might only be because he hasn't played and Minter has. Maybe he will suck when he gets serious regular season reps.

Minter is more like a quality 4 round pick, he does not have any athletic traits to be special and his goal is to be solid with what he has... it is not his fault he was drafted early

 

[ajcardfan]

Minter is more like a quality 4 round pick, he does not have any athletic traits to be special and his goal is to be solid with what he has... it is not his fault he was drafted early

Oh, if I was him I would be cashing my paychecks and not giving any money back too. It was a weird choice in that he does not fit in with the template Defense Bowles and Arians put into place.

Maybe the scouts screwed up evaluating him?

 

[Shaggy]

Is Minter that bad? He only played 17 snaps so how can anyone know how he really can do if he has that limited amount of play? If he had 60-80 snaps a game and we never saw him, then I would say he was a waste. He had 17 snaps. Not much you can do with that limit amount of playing time.

 

[82CardsGrad]

Is Minter that bad? He only played 17 snaps so how can anyone know how he really can do if he has that limited amount of play? If he had 60-80 snaps a game and we never saw him, then I would say he was a waste. He had 17 snaps. Not much you can do with that limit amount of playing time.

Yes, the sample size is comparatively small... However, he shows nothing - athletically speaking, to suggest he should see any more snaps than what he's getting. The guy is a disaster when required to play cover. Given the fact that Manning threw the ball 47 times, it's no surprise Minter only saw the field 17 times...

 

[ajcardfan]

Yes, the sample size is comparatively small... However, he shows nothing - athletically speaking, to suggest he should see any more snaps than what he's getting. The guy is a disaster when required to play cover. Given the fact that Manning threw the ball 47 times, it's no surprise Minter only saw the field 17 times...

He is clearly lost in pass coverage. He has no instinct to anticipate routes, and when the pass is in his area he can't make a play on the ball or the receiver.

In the pass game, he looks like he has 20 lbs of concrete for cleats.

 

[Chopper0080]

Is Minter that bad? He only played 17 snaps so how can anyone know how he really can do if he has that limited amount of play? If he had 60-80 snaps a game and we never saw him, then I would say he was a waste. He had 17 snaps. Not much you can do with that limit amount of playing time.

If he can't get on the field, then yes, he is that bad. This is the one argument that fans got to, and is complete nonsense most of the time. There are some situations where a guy gets buried on a depth chart. That does happen. However, players aren't ignored once they get opportunities. Minter has had his shots, and has done nothing to make the most out of them. He has had first team reps in practice. He has been given the spot. He consistently shows enough that the coaches choose to go in another direction. When they are doing this with a 2nd round pick, that tells you what you need to know.

 

[MrYeahBut]

Is Minter that bad? He only played 17 snaps

I think you answered your own question, Shaggy. Only playing 17 snaps with the LB corp they're having to put on the field should say a little something about how much the coaches value his play.... Which isn't much it would appear.

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[MrYeahBut]

Cards game rewind on NFL channel 8.30 MST

 

[ajcardfan]

Cards game rewind on NFL channel 8.30 MST

I could watch it until the 4th quarter. But, I'd rather have all my body hair removed by duct tape than watch that 4th quarter againl?

But, thanks for the tip. I will watch up until ellington's TD at least. Maybe I can pick up something I didn't see yesterday.