Deone at linebacker

[kerouac9]

I think you are a bit harsh on Deone Bucannon, just like you were initially very harsh on DWash as well.

I think he's been a decent ILB in run down situations, and decent in pass coverage. He's a plus player inside the box against the run, and he isn't overwhelmed playing around larger players.

Where I get concerned is that he almost never (or is it never) makes any plays other than tackles.

I challenge you to key only on Deone on Sunday and say that you believe this.

As a linebacker, he's a good in-the-box safety. But as a linebacker he's pretty consistently overwhelmed. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but he's frequently shooting the wrong gap or getting pushed aside.

 

[Bert]

who is Daryl Washington?

He's one of those dang reefer addicts!

 

[dreamcastrocks]

He is our new Adrian wilson.

He is much more a liability in coverage than Wilson was early on in his career.

 

[82CardsGrad]

I challenge you to key only on Deone on Sunday and say that you believe this.

As a linebacker, he's a good in-the-box safety. But as a linebacker he's pretty consistently overwhelmed. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but he's frequently shooting the wrong gap or getting pushed aside.

I think Deone is generally doing a solid job in a situation that is simply not ideal...
Was at the Monday Night game and I did key on him a lot. There were plenty of times where he was completely taken out of a play by an o-lineman. Which, really isn't that surprising to me given the size differential. He was simply no match for an o-lineman.

I would love to see him play more of a traditional SS role where we actually have a more legit ILB instead of a converted safety who was rarely, if ever used as a fulltime ILB prior to entering the NFL...

 

[LittleDavis]

I can't believe i am saying this...i agree with Kerouac 100%.

We have a very good ILB on the bench. Something is off...I played ILB and Deone is not playing well. A lot of the Pass Rush should be coming from an ILB blowing up a guard and center on the blitz...we don't have this type of player on the field. It is actually frustrating to watch our D at times.

 

[DVontel]

He is much more a liability in coverage than Wilson was early on in his career.

In 2014? Sure.

In 2015? I have yet to see him get exposed in coverage.

 

[kerouac9]

In 2014? Sure.

In 2015? I have yet to see him get exposed in coverage.

A lot of those screen passes against the Ravens were designed to take advantage of the fact that Bucannon only plays in one direction — downhill. The first big pass to Martavis Bryant was possible because Bucannon didn't get a deep enough drop on his zone coverage.

 

[Shane]

He is much more a liability in coverage than Wilson was early on in his career.

I would have to say that's some revisionist history. Wilson was maddening in his first 3 years... He was pretty bad at times...

 

[Dr. Jones]

Safety to ILB? I think Urlacher did ok.

 

[Cardiac]

Safety to ILB? I think Urlacher did ok.

He did but he also weighed 40 some pounds more that Bucannon's listed weight. Forget what the actual weight difference is, simply know it is significant.

Can Bucannon put on 20 to 30 more pounds and retain his speed and agility?

 

[Cheesebeef]

He did but he also weighed 40 some pounds more that Bucannon's listed weight. Forget what the actual weight difference is, simply know it is significant.

Can Bucannon put on 20 to 30 more pounds and retain his speed and agility?

Urlacher was also a complete freak of nature and had 3 inches on Buc. Expecting Buc to be able to approximate anything a HOF level player did is asking for the moon, IMO.

 

[Cardiac]

Urlacher was also a complete freak of nature and had 3 inches on Buc. Expecting Buc to be able to approximate anything a HOF level player did is asking for the moon, IMO.

Urlacher was a freak of nature. I remember reading an article on him and he said that as he kept lifting weights and adding pound he also was getting faster and faster. I'm guessing that isn't typical, at least at the rate it occurred for him.

Not saying Bucannon can become the next Urlacher but if he is staying at ILBer he needs to add some weight and hopefully retain his current speed and agility.

 

[Jetstream Green]

We have been ranked pretty good against TEs this year and have a major test with the Barnidge guy coming up unless McCown does not play because it seems to be his outlet guy... maybe the Cannon is the reason we are better against TEs so far

 

[Finito]

Urlacher was never a SS full time he was used in a hybrid defense at NM he was like a LB/SS they pretty much lined him up everywhere because he was such a great talent.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

Buccanon is tied for 18th in the league in tackles ahead of guys like(I know some have had bye weeks) Laurainaitis, Stephone Anthony, Jamie Collins, Bobby Wagner, and Sean Lee. He's doing just fine.

I trust the Cards staff is happy with his play no matter how many times K9, or anyone else, watches NFL rewind.

 

[Finito]

Buccanon is tied for 18th in the league in tackles ahead of guys like(I know some have had bye weeks) Laurainaitis, Stephone Anthony, Jamie Collins, Bobby Wagner, and Sean Lee. He's doing just fine.

I trust the Cards staff is happy with his no play no matter how many times K9, or anyone else, watches NFL rewind.

The kid is a stud and I'm very happy we drafted him.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

It was a terrible draft pick at the time and it remains a terrible draft pick.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I challenge you to key only on Deone on Sunday and say that you believe this.

As a linebacker, he's a good in-the-box safety. But as a linebacker he's pretty consistently overwhelmed. It doesn't show up on the stat sheet, but he's frequently shooting the wrong gap or getting pushed aside.

This.

He isn't playing position well. He makes minimal impact

 

[kerouac9]

It was a terrible draft pick at the time and it remains a terrible draft pick.

I'm not quite ready to say this — we don't have to decide to pick up his option for another year and a half, and it's hard to say that about a guy who's effectively a starter for his first 20-plus games. But...

Who do you think the Cards should've taken instead? They would've had to exercise that pick at some point. Dee Ford has started 0 games for the Chiefs, has 1.5 sacks, and is only playing on 21% of the Kansas City snaps.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm not quite ready to say this — we don't have to decide to pick up his option for another year and a half, and it's hard to say that about a guy who's effectively a starter for his first 20-plus games. But...

Who do you think the Cards should've taken instead? They would've had to exercise that pick at some point. Dee Ford has started 0 games for the Chiefs, has 1.5 sacks, and is only playing on 21% of the Kansas City snaps.

Ford was off the board, we would have had to trade up to get him.

In hindsight if you were going to trade up it would be to get Mack, Donald or Anthony Barr, all guys who would have helped our pass rush. I'm still not sure what the hell the Vikings are thinking with Barr, I've seen bits and pieces of their games and they drop him into coverage WAY too much, yes he can cover, but his biggest value is as a pass rusher they appear to be completely misusing him.

Mack looks like a complete stud and Donald is unreal. not sure it was realistic to get Mack getting up that high was probably too steep a price. Donald going 13th looks like a total steal now.

But for me it looks like the real value in that draft was the first 18 picks or so, trading up was probably our best chance to get a bigger impact guy.

I like Deonne but I agree so far we don't know what he is, he's not done anything to suggest he really is a S, maybe he would if he played there but he doesn't look like he's going to be very good in coverage.

 

[kerouac9]

Ford was off the board, we would have had to trade up to get him.

In hindsight if you were going to trade up it would be to get Mack, Donald or Anthony Barr, all guys who would have helped our pass rush. I'm still not sure what the hell the Vikings are thinking with Barr, I've seen bits and pieces of their games and they drop him into coverage WAY too much, yes he can cover, but his biggest value is as a pass rusher they appear to be completely misusing him.

Mack looks like a complete stud and Donald is unreal. not sure it was realistic to get Mack getting up that high was probably too steep a price. Donald going 13th looks like a total steal now.

But for me it looks like the real value in that draft was the first 18 picks or so, trading up was probably our best chance to get a bigger impact guy.

I like Deonne but I agree so far we don't know what he is, he's not done anything to suggest he really is a S, maybe he would if he played there but he doesn't look like he's going to be very good in coverage.

Not before we traded down.

 

[Russ Smith]

Not before we traded down.

Yep completely forgot about that thanks,

The other LB taken before was Marcus Smith by the eagles, so far nothing.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

I'm not quite ready to say this — we don't have to decide to pick up his option for another year and a half, and it's hard to say that about a guy who's effectively a starter for his first 20-plus games. But...

Who do you think the Cards should've taken instead? They would've had to exercise that pick at some point. Dee Ford has started 0 games for the Chiefs, has 1.5 sacks, and is only playing on 21% of the Kansas City snaps.

I hated so much of that draft. Watching Mosley and Shazier both go and not making any attempt to leap ahead of the Steelers and Ravens.

But really I thought we needed a young QB and two guys I really liked were there not once but twice in Bridgewater and Carr.

Had we taken one of them, god knows what would have happened last year.

Several guys went after Bucannon but on the defensive side I liked Stephon Tuitt and Kony Ealy.

Man outside of John Brown that draft sucks...

Bucannon

Niklas

Kareem Martin

Logan Thomas

Ed Stinson

Walt Powell

 

[Russ Smith]

I hated so much of that draft. Watching Mosley and Shazier both go and not making any attempt to leap ahead of the Steelers and Ravens.

But really I thought we needed a young QB and two guys I really liked were there not once but twice in Bridgewater and Carr.

Had we taken one of them, god knows what would have happened last year.

Several guys went after Bucannon but on the defensive side I liked Stephon Tuitt and Kony Ealy.

Man outside of John Brown that draft sucks...

Bucannon

Niklas

Kareem Martin

Logan Thomas

Ed Stinson

Walt Powell

Living in the Bay area Carr and Mack are the guys I watch and think I wish we had them. I don't think we could have gotten up high enough to get Mack. I agree on Mosley, not so high on Shazier I just don't think he's big enough and will always have injury issues.

I love Palmer but yes if we had a kid like Carr last year could have been so much better when the injuries happened.

I really like Carr with QB's getting over picked regularly I'm amazed he didn't go in the first round. I'm not a big Bridgewater fan I think he's ok but I think Carr has better upside.

Really does look like a poor draft for us so far.

 

[kerouac9]

I hated so much of that draft. Watching Mosley and Shazier both go and not making any attempt to leap ahead of the Steelers and Ravens.

But really I thought we needed a young QB and two guys I really liked were there not once but twice in Bridgewater and Carr.

Had we taken one of them, god knows what would have happened last year.

Several guys went after Bucannon but on the defensive side I liked Stephon Tuitt and Kony Ealy.

Man outside of John Brown that draft sucks...

Bucannon

Niklas

Kareem Martin

Logan Thomas

Ed Stinson

Walt Powell

I like Stinson, but the other side of that coin is that can you imagine the 2014 Arizona Cardinals defense without Deone Bucannon playing more than 65% of the defensive snaps at linebacker? We couldn't cover TEs with Bucannon that season (27th in DVOA against) — can you imagine if our only ILB options were one-armed Kevin Minter and old-as-frick Larry Foote?

Kony Ealy hasn't really set the world on fire, either. I don't know. I think that Bucannon is a fine professional football player, but people who think he's a stud or a star or something seem to have a pretty broad understanding of what that means. To me, stars should make big plays sometimes.