"Derrick Anderson Sucks"

[Shane]

"DA isn't a good QB"

"Yet the pathetic DA people somehow think he should start"

"We know DA sucks"

"the WORST aspect of the move is that Derek Anderson is the replacement"

"This is stupid because DA stinks"

This is just a few snippets from people on this site claiming with absolute certainty that DA just blows.

The thing that I notice about most of them including all of the ones I didn't quote is that most of you that say this have been by far the biggest Leinart supporters.

Most of you are Cards fans and I am willing to bet that very few of you see Browns games. Their not exactly at the top of the list for national games and are one of the worse teams in the NFL over the last decade. So probably not the most popular pick for the average football fans Sunday ticket viewing either.

So what I wanna know is why do you all say this?

Derrick Anderson is equal to or better than Matt Leinart in every passing category for their careers except 1.

Basically equal in the following categories not exact but within tenths of points: YPA 6.4 to 6.5 and QB rating 69.7 to 70.2

Derrick Anderson is better in these:

Win/loss ratio as a starter, TD/Int ratio

Matt is better in Comp % and that's it. Matt is at 57.1 to DA's 52.9. a whopping 4.2 percent better.

While in the long run that isnt much for every hundred passes. I do understand that can equate to winning or losing a game. However I think it would be logical to assume that If Matt had far inferior talent at the WR position and had to throw in Cleveland 8 times a year along with another guaranteed 3 games in the likes of Cincinnati, Pittsburgh and Baltimore all of which are extreme weather states that Matt's % would likely drop. Considering the strength of his arm it might even drop considerably. Doesnt help when DA's #1 target every year leads the league or close to the league lead in drops either(Braylon Edwards)

So what I wanna know is why such the hate and 100% certainty with the DA "sucks" comments. Yet You are all more than willing to ride the coattails of Matt who in real games on the field hasn't really outperformed DA in anyway shape or form?

 

[dogpoo32]

Braylon Edwards made DA a Pro Bowler. Outside of that season, which ended horribly for him, he has shown that he is prone to making horrible decisions.

 

[nashman]

^ That and its not really fair to compare the 2 since DA has gotten many many starts compared to Matt and was handed the reigns and still failed. Matt has not gotten the opportunity DA has already had and proved he sucked!

 

[Crazy Canuck]

So what I wanna know is why such the hate and 100% certainty with the DA "sucks" comments.

I refuse to use this sophomoric term, but perhaps it crossed Holmgren's lips.

 

[Russ Smith]

I saw Anderson and Leinart play a lot in college and the situations were kind of similar, Leinart surrounded by talent, Anderson not so much. Anderson clearly had the better arm, Leinart was clearly the better QB.

If Matt had been playing the last 3 years I personally feel his numbers would have looked MUCH better than Anderson's did. When Matt was playing the team was in almost as much disarray as Cleveland was.

Much of DA's big year was impressive they were 10-5 with him starting, but look at who he played against Cincy, Oak, Balt(5-11 that year), NE, Mia, STL, SEA, Pitt, Balt, Hou, AZ, NYJ, Buff, CIncy, SF.

That wasn't exactly murderers row for a schedule, he played really well, but he was still turnover prone, 19 picks, only 56.5 completion %. He had a very good year but has been unable to come close to it since then. He started 7 games last season and completed 44.5% of his throws, that's damn near unheard of in the NFL for a non rookie.

I still don't think Matt has been benched, although if he continues to complain it may be the case. I think Matt is being tested.

 

[Zeno]

So what I wanna know is why do you all say this?

Derrick Anderson is equal to or better than Matt Leinart in every passing category for their careers except 1.

Basically equal in the following categories not exact but within tenths of points: YPA 6.4 to 6.5 and QB rating 69.7 to 70.2

Derrick Anderson is better in these:

Win/loss ratio as a starter, TD/Int ratio

Matt is better in Comp % and that's it. Matt is at 57.1 to DA's 52.9. a whopping 4.2 percent better.

Comparing a guy who has 34 starts to a guy who has 17 isn't going to give you a good measure of a QB. We know what Anderson is capable of(low completion % and inconsistent play), Leinart hasn't had enough starts that we can say for sure what we have in him. A lot of QBs struggle in that few of starts but start to settle down...Anderson actually got worse.

 

[nashman]

Being tested? That is so ridiculous on Whiz' part I can't believe this close to the season is when you start with your stupid mind games. Just give Matt his freakin chance to sink or swim, I don't blame Leinart for being pissed the coach is jacking him around. What the hell was he supposed to do in his very limited playing time? No running game aka no Beanie and terrible OL play, I mean seriously the guy took what he could completing 10-13 of pass attempts with NO TURNOVERS yet the coach wants more? Just stupid on Whiz' part IMO.

 

[kerouac9]

Because some of us have seen Derek Anderson play.

If you don't look up from the stat sheet, it kind of looks like Derek Anderson can play. He didn't have a great offense in Cleveland, although he was sometimes supported by a good running game and the last few years has had a good offensive line. But look at how he plays:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/20071...:analyze/analyze-channels:cat-post-playbyplay

This is the play-by-play from when the Cards played the Browns at The Nest three years ago. Look at the stat sheet:

Derek Anderson: 21/41, 304 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT.

That's not bad. No one's going to confuse him with Drew Brees, but that's not a terrible stat line.

Then look at the play by play and see that the Browns first two possessions ended up with a pick-six to Rod Hood and a fumble by Anderson. Their fourth possession ended with another INT.

Then the Cards' defense decided that they'd done their job and packed it in, allowing Anderson to put up a bunch of yards in junk time and get them back into the game.

But don't take my word for it. Here's Football Outsiders in 2009:

We’re really looking at a three-game wonder here. Anderson had three excellent games in the first half of 2007: September 16th against the Bengals, October 14th against the Dolphins, and October 21st against the Rams. He completed 56 of 83 passes (67 percent) for 821 yards, 11 touchdowns, and one interception in those three games, which were against some of the league’s worst defenses. Those games account for more than a quarter of Anderson’s career touchdowns and add 1.3 points to his career completion percentage of 54.6. If you strike those games from his record, Anderson’s 2007 season doesn’t look much different from 2006 and 2008. It’s not entirely fair or reasonable to just erase those games – they really happened, and Anderson may have games like that again – but it makes sense to brand Anderson as a low-completion percentage, low-TD/INT ratio passer who at his best is capable of a brief hot flash. That’s the kind of quarterback you plant on the bench, not the kind who competes for a starting job.

And then in 2010:

The Cardinals don’t play the Browns until 2012, so Anderson’s promise to “roll them” is an idle threat at best. He was understandably upset after Cleveland fans cheered his injury in 2008. Anderson’s status as an NFL quarterback rests almost exclusively on a few big games against weak pass defenses in 2007. His big arm is his
best asset, yet he threw the ball over 15 yards just 13 percent of the time last season (in 2007, 21 percent of his throws went deep). Arizona — with its squadron of fleet receivers — is a better fit for Anderson’s skill set, but his interception rate won’t win him friends in any NFL city.

 

[DemsMyBoys]

The thing that I notice about most of them including all of the ones I didn't quote is that most of you that say this have been by far the biggest Leinart supporters.

Thanks for bringing this up, Shane. I was thinking the exact same thing last night.

 

[D-Dogg]

"Shane H Sucks"

"Shane H isn't a good poster"

"Yet the pathetic Shane H people somehow think he should start threads"

"We know Shane H sucks"

"the WORST aspect of the thread is that Shane H is the thread starter"

"This thread is stupid because Shane H stinks"


I dunno, seems like the comments are spot-on.

 

[moklerman]

Would it be oversimplifying things too much to point out that just last year Brady Quinn FAR outplayed Derek Anderson under similar circumstances? 10% better completion percentage, 25 point higher passer rating, 9/8 vs. 3/10 TD/INT ratio.

Not a ringing endorsement of Anderson, especially considering what some think of Quinn around here.

 

[DoTheDew]

DA sucks because we've seen him play. Leinart may well suck too. All we really have is his performance as a rookie which matches that of Sanchez whom the media has anointed a hall of famer.

I personally feel that our QBOF isn't on the roster but would love to see what we have in Leinart before throwing him to the curve. I've watched the Browns. I know what DA is. Unless he is a late bloomer he simply isn't a great QB.

He has a cannon for an arm, but little accuracy. He stairs down his WRs. He isn't really a game manager type of QB. He really only could thrive in a system that takes a lot of deep passes and has a defense that can bail him out of bad games. I just don't feel like we are the team for him. I feel like maybe on a team like the Eagles with a bunch of deep threats at wide out and a better OLine he could do okay but here he's probably not going to have much time to throw deep and our D isn't good enough to win games that he is throwing away.

 

[Doc Cardinal]

DA sucks because we've seen him play. Leinart may well suck too. All we really have is his performance as a rookie which matches that of Sanchez whom the media has anointed a hall of famer.

I personally feel that our QBOF isn't on the roster but would love to see what we have in Leinart before throwing him to the curve. I've watched the Browns. I know what DA is. Unless he is a late bloomer he simply isn't a great QB.

He has a cannon for an arm, but little accuracy. He stairs down his WRs. He isn't really a game manager type of QB. He really only could thrive in a system that takes a lot of deep passes and has a defense that can bail him out of bad games. I just don't feel like we are the team for him. I feel like maybe on a team like the Eagles with a bunch of deep threats at wide out and a better OLine he could do okay but here he's probably not going to have much time to throw deep and our D isn't good enough to win games that he is throwing away.

Post of the week.

 

[binkar]

I honestly don't even know who is better between Leinart and Anderson. I am just bothered that they weren't given equal opportunities so we are able to make that judgment. Whiz is desperate to make DA the starter for whatever reason. If DA had significantly, or even marginally, outperformed Matt I would be fine with it. However, I have not read one thing from people who were at camp that indicates DA outperformed him. This bothers me.

Whiz has been anointed as the ultimate "fair" coach. Everything about this situation just seems to signal the contrary.

 

[THESMEL]

I have DA graded as a quality back up low end starter in the NFL at 80 out of 100 on the thesmel scale. He has a pro bowl and he can lead this team to wins. he is developed as an NFL QB and what you se is what you get.

I have Matty graded much higher at 90 borderline elite QB, above average at every QB skillset except arm strength at 6'5" 235 lbs. Matt doesn't grow on trees and He's not done developing as an NFL QB. this should be he least productive year of the next 10!

Skelton as a 70 with upside and high end arm strength.

Max Hall as a 65 with quick feet and intangibles.

If anybody cares.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

If anybody cares.

LOL, I'd love to learn more about the THESMEL scale. You're ideas are intriguing and I'd like to subscribe to you're news letter.

 

[Buckybird]

Comparing a guy who has 34 starts to a guy who has 17 isn't going to give you a good measure of a QB. We know what Anderson is capable of(low completion % and inconsistent play), Leinart hasn't had enough starts that we can say for sure what we have in him. A lot of QBs struggle in that few of starts but start to settle down...Anderson actually got worse.

This

Shane, come on how can you realistically compare the 2? I bet I'm a better golfer today than you were after your first 5 rounds. Hey, Leinart may or may not be the answer but let's please give the 10 starts in a row!!! You have been waiting to prove us wrong about #7.

 

[Cardiac]

I honestly don't even know who is better between Leinart and Anderson. I am just bothered that they weren't given equal opportunities so we are able to make that judgment. Whiz is desperate to make DA the starter for whatever reason. If DA had significantly, or even marginally, outperformed Matt I would be fine with it. However, I have not read one thing from people who were at camp that indicates DA outperformed him. This bothers me.

Whiz has been anointed as the ultimate "fair" coach. Everything about this situation just seems to signal the contrary.

I love the reports from training camp, so much great information from our fans. Thing is that they are just fans and don't have the football knowledge of a NFL HC. Nor do they have access to the film shot at every practice or hear what's being said during meetings etc.

Whis is desperate to have the best team possible at every position. He is not going to start DA over ML if ML gives us the best chance to win. Now one could argue that Whis is human and can make mistakes and his judgement is off on who the better QB is (not very likely) but how anyone thinks Whis simply hates ML and won't give him a chance truly confuses me.

 

[Shane]

"Shane H Sucks"

"Shane H isn't a good poster"

"Yet the pathetic Shane H people somehow think he should start threads"

"We know Shane H sucks"

"the WORST aspect of the thread is that Shane H is the thread starter"

"This thread is stupid because Shane H stinks"


I dunno, seems like the comments are spot-on.

and after all I have done for you?

 

[Shane]

You have been waiting to prove us wrong about #7.

How so been praising Matt most of the pre season and outwardly saying he SHOULD start. Stated I dont like the Whiz decision as well.

Just wondering where all the DA animosity comes form?

You compare what you have to compare BTW. This is wall we have.

 

[D-Dogg]

and after all I have done for you?

"Shane H sucks at doing things for people."

 

[az jam]

I like DA but admit that consistency has been a big problem. The Browns also traded up to draft Brady Quinn in the first round in 2007. Anderson ended up the starter as Quinn got hurt and DA had his pro bowl year. 2008 & 2009 showed him and Brady taking turns as the starter (although DA started in 2008 but later replaced by BQ). Coaching changes, bad weather, horrible receivers all contribute to his failure. DA is a gunslinger, has the better arm but just throws too damn many interceptions. Perhaps Whisenhunt feels he can be coached up with our system. Mike Lombardi said in the interview yesterday morning on the Doug & Wolf show that he believes DA gives the Cards a better chance to win the NFL West with our system because of the receivers that we have.

 

[Shane]

"Shane H sucks at doing things for people."

After all of the solid entertainment I have provided for you over the years! IE:

72 hours with Jage!

The best sights you have ever seen at a steak house!

You are so very unappreciative!

 

[D-Dogg]

"Shane H sucks at facepainting."

"Shane H sucks at picking strip steakhouses."

"Shane H sucks at the mulli smiley"


Just the word on the street, bro.

 

[Shane]

"Shane H sucks at facepainting."

"Shane H sucks at picking strip steakhouses."

"Shane H sucks at the mulli smiley"


Just the word on the street, bro.

Do I suck at donating to your kids charity fund raising too?

:ithinkimgonnacry: (matt Leinart)