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Warner IS IN THE HOF! Got inducted in 2017
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Warner IS IN THE HOF! Got inducted in 2017
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For the overall amount of time he has played for the franchise, he is. Longevity calculates into it all, at least in my opinion.
I don't want to diminish what Kurt did for us, but the fact of the matter is that he was only a full time starter in AZ for two years. I don't want to be too much of a stat *****, but Kurt only ever eclipsed the 4,000 yard mark twice. Stafford has done it 7 times, with comparable completion percentages.
Kurt wouldn't be in the HOF without the narrative of coming from such humble beginnings, and that playoff hot streak so many years after his first. But the numbers don't really back it up.
I'm purely talking about what he did in AZ. Being a great player for another team did us no good. Stafford has given his team 10 seasons, 8 without injury.
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In the 10 years he has been a Lion, how many playoff games has Stafford helped the Lions to win?
You must really like Andy Dalton as well. He has been with the Bengals forever as well.
any playoff wins?
Forget playoff wins.....what his record against team with winning records? I will warn you it is not pretty.
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When has that happened?
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None, obviously, but when your team around you fails to show up, I have a hard time blaming him.
It seems like we seem to ignore how much of a team sport this is sometimes. The Lions are a dysfunctional franchise, it's not all on Stafford.
Go back and look at those teams/games and tell me if you really think putting Kurt Warner on them would have resulted in playoff progression for the Lions.
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One day, I hope to finally convince Solar that QBs like Stafford & Cousins are mediocre, sub-par QBs at best. One day.
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Appreciate it.
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Detroit being right there?
Not often, but when has it happened for us? We've won only two more games since Stafford started playing all games for them.
My entire point is just that if we had a QB with those stats for a decade, he would be better than any QB in Arizona Cardinals history. Our guys don't scrape his numbers.
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This franchise is the one that's had mediocre, sub-par QBs for 3 decades. The bar here is extraordinarily low.
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Warner came to the Cardinals, a crap franchise like the Lions, and Lead them to their only Super Bowl appearance. Look what happened to the Cardinals after Warner retired. They went right back into obscurity.
How many Pro-Bowls has Stafford made in his 10 years?
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Still inconclusive at best
Warner's best year with us was 08. QB rating = 96.9
Stafford best year of his entire career was 2017 QB rating = 99.3
Could go with Palmer too. His best year in ARZ was 2015. QB rating = 104.6
But I'd still take Kurt over either MS or CP. The rules have been changed to favor the offense the last several years. KW did not have the benefit of that.
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Kinda like last year when I thought Washington was the perfectly mediocre opponent to play @ home week 1. 
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Our QB history doesn’t make their skill any less mediocre.
You like Andy Dalton too don’t you?
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1. Exactly as many as Kurt had in his Arizona stint.
And... "obscurity?" We had our most winning season ever after Kurt left. Again, not diminishing what Kurt did for us. That year was amazing. But Stafford would have started here over any retread from another team if we had the opportunity to draft him.
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I don't love him, but the same argument applies. If Kyler puts up their kinds of numbers, we should be over the moon. I certainly will be.
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I have both Murray and Stafford on my fantasy team. Tough decision but I gotta go with our guy due to rooting interest. This is what ruins fantasy seasons
Go with Stafford so you'll end up happy either way!
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From 10 wins with Kurt to 5 wins after Kurt left. But I guess 5 wins feels like a winning season for the Lions.
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Lol that's true Zeno is spot on never see ME over react! .....with that said 0-1 and we're done for at least the next 6-7 years and we need to start over by firing everyone...then again if we win a 1-0 start means multiple Super Bowls and Murray MVPs for 5 years straight! .......
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None of the argument here is that Kurt Warner wasn't a great QB while we had him. Of course he was. It's just the overall timeline of the player and how they have affected their franchises over the course of a long time.
If I could pick one season of Warner at his top vs. one season of Stafford, of course I'd pick Kurt. If I had to pick knowing I'd get Warner for 5 years or Stafford for 10, I'd pick Stafford.
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Stafford's only played in three. Unless this is about Dalton. I'd rather get to the playoffs and lose than begin the year without any hope because our QB is too bad to even make it there.
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Again, *shrug*... they're not the problem. Bad coaching, bad personnel around them, etc.
I said it in another thread, but this is turning up our nose at the top sirloin when the best we've ever had is ground beef.
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