Deveney: Shaq to Suns a longshot that would make sense

[slinslin]

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Shawn Marion ($11), Howard Eisley ($6.3), Zarko Cabarkapa ($1.3), Jahidi White ($6), Antonio McDyess ($4, sign-and-trade). A tempting deal, in that the Lakers would get an All-Star forward who would complement Bryant nicely, as well as a sweet-shooting big man in Cabarkapa. O'Neal and Amare Stoudemire together would be an explosive combo. White could go in the expansion draft, though, and the Suns are looking to go younger (and possibly looking at McGrady).

What is Deveney smoking? The Lakers would set us up for the championship in their own division?

Shaq
Amare
Johnson
Iguodala
Barbosa

I want to see a team that can stop that....

 

[Cheesebeef]

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Shawn Marion ($11), Howard Eisley ($6.3), Zarko Cabarkapa ($1.3), Jahidi White ($6), Antonio McDyess ($4, sign-and-trade). A tempting deal, in that the Lakers would get an All-Star forward who would complement Bryant nicely, as well as a sweet-shooting big man in Cabarkapa. O'Neal and Amare Stoudemire together would be an explosive combo. White could go in the expansion draft, though, and the Suns are looking to go younger (and possibly looking at McGrady).

What is Deveney smoking? The Lakers would set us up for the championship in their own division?

Shaq
Amare
Johnson
Iguodala
Barbosa

I want to see a team that can stop that....

wouldn't we also still have cap room at that point also to sign someone - like say Steve Nash? In that scenario - I'd be stoked beyond belief - but it's a HUGE pipedream. Shaq, Amare, Nash and Johnson - that team would freaking CRUSH everyone ALIVE!!!!!!

 

[Divide Et Impera]

That's a deal I don't see LA doing, but if they would take that, I would jump all over that!!!!

 

[scotsman13]

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Shawn Marion ($11), Howard Eisley ($6.3), Zarko Cabarkapa ($1.3), Jahidi White ($6), Antonio McDyess ($4, sign-and-trade). A tempting deal, in that the Lakers would get an All-Star forward who would complement Bryant nicely, as well as a sweet-shooting big man in Cabarkapa. O'Neal and Amare Stoudemire together would be an explosive combo. White could go in the expansion draft, though, and the Suns are looking to go younger (and possibly looking at McGrady).

What is Deveney smoking? The Lakers would set us up for the championship in their own division?

Shaq
Amare
Johnson
Iguodala
Barbosa

I want to see a team that can stop that....

sure look at the pistons. they beat a line that had more name power then that one. the problem with this line is that all of them are inside players. how is amare or jj going to drive to the hoop with shaq in there? team can pack the middle up and only guard barbosa on the outside. yea that team will have a lot of lucky with even getting the ball into their big guys.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

sure look at the pistons. they beat a line that had more name power then that one. the problem with this line is that all of them are inside players. how is amare or jj going to drive to the hoop with shaq in there? team can pack the middle up and only guard barbosa on the outside. yea that team will have a lot of lucky with even getting the ball into their big guys.

If the Suns employed a SACTO style offense, that lineup would be devastating....

 

[slinslin]

sure look at the pistons. they beat a line that had more name power then that one. the problem with this line is that all of them are inside players. how is amare or jj going to drive to the hoop with shaq in there? team can pack the middle up and only guard barbosa on the outside. yea that team will have a lot of lucky with even getting the ball into their big guys.

Dude you are just never happy.

The Lakers lost because Malone was done, Payton couldn't be effective in the triangle, Kobe and Shaq didn't get along and they didn't play as a team.

Look at the Lakers production in the finals outside of Shaq and Kobe and you will see why.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

sure look at the pistons. they beat a line that had more name power then that one. the problem with this line is that all of them are inside players. how is amare or jj going to drive to the hoop with shaq in there? team can pack the middle up and only guard barbosa on the outside. yea that team will have a lot of lucky with even getting the ball into their big guys.

you're joking right? tell me you're joking.

i would be stoked to see that team 'cuz it would contend for a championship now and not gut the future (as we'd still have amare, jj and the 7th pick).

 

[scotsman13]

Dude you are just never happy.

The Lakers lost because Malone was done, Payton couldn't be effective in the triangle, Kobe and Shaq didn't get along and they didn't play as a team.

Look at the Lakers production in the finals outside of Shaq and Kobe and you will see why.

slin, i am happy with letting this team develop as they are. i think they are very well balanced on the floor on what players can do. and where their sweet spots are. i would like to see one more person hitting the outside shot at center or small forward ( lampe or zarko may help in this). and if you give this team as it stands time i think you will be shocked at how good they can be.


what i am not in favor of it blowing up the team to get a team that wouldnt be as well balanced or for some reason shaq, amare and jj best places are in the line. marion if he is hitting his shot is mid range. and barbosa is a very good outside shoter who can drive to the basket. but what team is going to come out top to guard shaq there so that amare could drive? or jj? who would guard amare out at the 3 point line? there is more to basketball then having names on your team. this is even more true with zone defenses today. if you cant find some way to spead the floor the other team will pick you apart.

 

[capologist]

All indications are that White will be going to Charlotte in the expansion draft, so he can’t be part of a deal with the Lakers or any other team (except, of course, the deal that sends him to Charlotte).

Also, McDyess is a free agent, so he would have to agree to the deal.

Anyway, I don’t think the Lakers would go for this.

If, however, the Lakers would be willing, then I would seriously consider it. I have been strongly opposed to pursing Shaq, but at the right price, I might be willing. We don’t want Eisley, especially if we’re going to be signing Vujanic and drafting a guard. Dice is somebody we are likely to lose to fre agency anyway. So the cost to us would be only Shawn and Zarko. I’m not terribly optimistic about Zarko’s recovery, so Shawn is the only guy I’d really be sad to see go. Shaq for Shawn? I’m not a big fan of the idea of Shaq on the Suns, but the impact of this deal on the team’s prospects would just be too good to refuse. If we get to keep Amare, JJ, the lotto pick, and all our significant role players other than Zarko, it would make us one hell of a team.

Finally, if the Lakers would be willing to pay Dice a little more than $4M, the salaries could be made to come within 15%. (I’m assuming more money for Dice would be needed, because Jahidi would not be a part of the deal.) If we can make the deal without having to use cap room, then we don’t have to drop under the cap in order to make it happen. By not renouncing Keon Clark until after the deal is done, we could make sure that we don’t drop under the cap... which would mean we would not lose our MLE. So we’d be able to add a decent FA to the lineup posted by slinslin.

 

[Cheesebeef]

what i am not in favor of it blowing up the team to get a team that wouldnt be as well balanced or for some reason shaq, amare and jj best places are in the line. marion if he is hitting his shot is mid range. and barbosa is a very good outside shoter who can drive to the basket. but what team is going to come out top to guard shaq there so that amare could drive? or jj? who would guard amare out at the 3 point line? there is more to basketball then having names on your team. this is even more true with zone defenses today. if you cant find some way to spead the floor the other team will pick you apart.

come on scotsman - your "With Shaq in the middle no one can drive" stance, I believe is really off-base. When has Shaquille O'Neal had the most success? Um - could it be when he was going to the Finals with the next Michael Jordan (Penny Hardaway back then) who's game was predicated on slashing and driving to the hole or posting his man up? Or did you forget that Shaq won three titles, clearing space for Kobe to drive to the hole countless times? Or am I mistaken and Kobe and Penny (in his prime) weren't guys who attacked the rim and routinely got to the hole even though they were on Shaq's team? Shaq MAKES it easier to get to the hole because his teamates get one on one coverage. And to think that Amare couldn't learn some of Shaq's moves along the way - like his drop-step or the way he's able to get away with traveling - would be beneficial way after he's gone.

I mean you're basically saying that you wouldn't trade Shawn Marion for Shaq in essence because the rest of the guys involved in such a trade have yet to show they can contribute anything meaningful.

 

[JCSunsfan]

wouldn't we also still have cap room at that point also to sign someone - like say Steve Nash? In that scenario - I'd be stoked beyond belief - but it's a HUGE pipedream. Shaq, Amare, Nash and Johnson - that team would freaking CRUSH everyone ALIVE!!!!!!

We'd actually have a little wiggle room. Dice wouldn't be a "sign and trade" he would simply be a trade. The Lakers would then have Bird rights with him and could sign him to whatever they wish.

I'd sure like this deal. We'd still keep Lampe.
MAKE IT HAPPEN!

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

We'd actually have a lot of cap room. Dice wouldn't be a "sign and trade" he would simply be a trade. The Lakers would then have Bird rights with him and could sign him to whatever they wish.

I'd sure like this deal. We'd still keep Lampe. We could sign Nash.

MAKE IT HAPPEN!

Dice would be a sign and trade. His deal would be over by the time the trade would be completed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Dice would be a sign and trade. His deal would be over by the time the trade would be completed.

That wouldn't make sense. We could nearly match salaries with the deal at hand. With a sign and trade you would have to wait until after July 15 and then it would be in McDyess' hands. He would have to agree, or no deal.

It could be done either way, but the first makes most sense to me.

The Laker's might want a future pick in this deal.

 

[capologist]

Sorry, JCSF. A player in the last year of his contract, or who has an option (either player or team), can not be traded after the end of the season.

Dice fits that description. Between now and the expiration of his contract in about 199 hours, he can not be traded.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Sorry, JCSF. A player in the last year of his contract, or who has an option (either player or team), can not be traded after the end of the season.

Dice fits that description. Between now and the expiration of his contract in about 199 hours, he can not be traded.

Didn't know about that fine print. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Joe Mama]

I thought a player could only be signed and traded by himself. In other words I did not think you are allowed to sign a player and packaged him with others to be traded. Sorry about the poor grammar. My voice software is really screwing up right now, and I don't feel like editing.

Joe Mama

 

[capologist]

The CBA contains no such rule, JM, although that seems to be the way it always works out. The only counterexample I can think of is the complicated deal in which Portland traded a re-signed Brian Grant and other players for Shawn Kemp.

 

[elindholm]

I thought a player could only be signed and traded by himself. In other words I did not think you are allowed to sign a player and packaged him with others to be traded.

I thought so too -- in fact I've stated that rule a couple of times here. But I looked over Larry Coon's FAQ this morning and couldn't find anything about it. Did I make this rule up? Can someone help with a definitive answer?

Edit: Thanks, capologist.

 

[slinslin]

Someone told me Brad Miller was signed and traded with other contracts...

 

[Joe Mama]

I thought a player could only be signed and traded by himself. In other words I did not think you are allowed to sign a player and packaged him with others to be traded.

I thought so too -- in fact I've stated that rule a couple of times here. But I looked over Larry Coon's FAQ this morning and couldn't find anything about it. Did I make this rule up? Can someone help with a definitive answer?

Edit: Thanks, capologist.

That's right. You were just talking about that the other day. I'll blame my ignorance on you!

Thanks as always for setting us straight, cap.

Joe