DHop just PP21 All Over Again

[dreamcastrocks]

Yeah. When was the last playoff game Patrick Peterson appeared in???

He will have one this weekend.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

And who wants a big extension as part of that trade.

He's made himself so marketable, too. Does anyone want a guy who can be a top WR - when he wants to be - and plays in about 70% of your games when he is not injured or suspended for PEDs or tapping out because you have a bad record?

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

Yeah. When was the last playoff game Patrick Peterson appeared in???

I don't know for sure, was it the one where he tried to field that punt at full stride and muffed it, killing any hope of gaining momentum?

He will be playing in another one soon though, so he's got that going for him.

 

[slanidrac16]

I’m really not worried about this yet.

 

[JohnnyCakes]

guys-- this team is going nowhere fast. They need to sell off some assets.

They werent going anywhere WITH d-hop, just trade him for draft capital. its time to strip it down and start over with new braintrust.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

PP and DHop are "me first" type of guys. They are great individual talents but not winners. PP said on the radio he would rather have a hall of fame jacket than a superbowl ring. I want a team with a unified mindset and team first culture.

And DHop was on Hard Knocks concerned that his HOF chances may be hurt with his suspension for PEDs rather than living in the now and seeing how he hurt this team and its chances to win. If anything, sitting out the last two games because things weren't going well is what should hurt your HOF chances. A real HOFer would suit up and play rather than take games off.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

guys-- this team is going nowhere fast. They need to sell off some assets.

They werent going anywhere WITH d-hop, just trade him for draft capital. its time to strip it down and start over with new braintrust.

I only subscribe to this if we hire an outside GM making the call.

 

[CardsFan88]

If we trade him, is non-guaranteed $19 million salary is an utter steal for the team that gets him. They’d likely to be thrilled to tack on an additional 2-3 years and guarantee the salaries for 2023 and 2024 plus bonuses.

It’s literally what happened with his deal coming here. It’s hard for us to add new money to his deal when he has a $30 million cap charge if nothing happens—unless we want to create salary cap overhang for post-2025.

Very true.

So no incentive to get an extension done with us anyways, since the acquiring team views it as a steal.

At least not in a way that hampers our cap status worse than it would be anyways.

 

[Zalixar]

And DHop was on Hard Knocks concerned that his HOF chances may be hurt with his suspension for PEDs rather than living in the now and seeing how he hurt this team and its chances to win. If anything, sitting out the last two games because things weren't going well is what should hurt your HOF chances. A real HOFer would suit up and play rather than take games off.

If we planned to trade Hopkins before season ended, which we probably did, it's extremely short-sighted to play him. Literally no reason to risk an injury just so fans can get excited for watching him for a few minutes or have 3 catches for 15 yards.

 

[TJ]

Compares but doesnt equates. PP21 was vocal about his displeasure. D-Hop has mostly kept to himself.

"Snakes in the grass."

 

[82CardsGrad]

Don't really blame him for wanting to play for a winner. I just hope we don't trade him on the cheap if we do trade him. (which we shouldn't)

I just don't get why he wouldn't want to play with one the most promising young QB's in the game today?

 

[AZCB34]

It's not about Kyler and there is zero chance he stays.

Kyler is a factor is this on some level but it is likely only a small factor unless Kyler in the locker room is a complete disaster.

This is mostly about money but there are variables nudging one direction or the other

 

[Stout]

If he wanted out that early, my money is on Kyler as a big reason.

 

[Brian in Mesa]

Kyler is a factor is this on some level but it is likely only a small factor unless Kyler in the locker room is a complete disaster.

This is mostly about money but there are variables nudging one direction or the other

Did you just call Kyler a "small factor"?

Well played.

 

[SteveKeimFan]

if I was a alpha male WR like Hopkins i would not want to play with a QB under 6 foot who is scared of taking hits and doesnt throw deep.

I would demand a trade to a team with 6’6 QB with a big arm like Josh Allen.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Kyler is a factor is this on some level but it is likely only a small factor unless Kyler in the locker room is a complete disaster.

This is mostly about money but there are variables nudging one direction or the other

its 100% about contract and the suspension.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

its 100% about contract and the suspension.

Yup, I agree. Just look at how he played with Kyler, when he came back from suspension. He was tops in the NFL in Catches/Yards I believe during that stretch.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

We are 100% trading him and he gets to pick where.

Why would get to pick where he's going?

If I'm the Cardinals I trade him where I get the best return, regardless if he likes it or not

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm probably missing the obvious but why would his suspension make him want a trade? Does he think the Cards didn't help him or something? Because IIRC there's not much the team can do when a player fails a test he fails a test.

I can get the contract part but I just don't off hand get why him being suspended for PED's would lead to him wanting a trade.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Why would get to pick where he's going?

If I'm the Cardinals I trade him where I get the best return, regardless if he likes it or not

He has a no trade clause in his contact that he has to waive in order to be traded.

 

[Chris_Sanders]

Why would get to pick where he's going?

If I'm the Cardinals I trade him where I get the best return, regardless if he likes it or not

Because he has a no trade clause

 

[ajcardfan]

Yup, I agree. Just look at how he played with Kyler, when he came back from suspension. He was tops in the NFL in Catches/Yards I believe during that stretch.

Agreed. Don't think it is about Kyler at all.

 

[BullheadCardFan]

He has a no trade clause in his contact that he has to waive in order to be traded.

Because he has a no trade clause

Thanks for clarifying that for me

 

[Russ Smith]

So presumably this greatly increases the odds of us keeping Hollywood although I already expected we probably would. Unless the new GM and Coach has a different plan

 

[oaken1]

I'm probably missing the obvious but why would his suspension make him want a trade? Does he think the Cards didn't help him or something? Because IIRC there's not much the team can do when a player fails a test he fails a test.

I can get the contract part but I just don't off hand get why him being suspended for PED's would lead to him wanting a trade.

suspended players lose their salary... but not their bonuses...a team can convert salary to bonus, thus protecting the player from losing millions due to a suspension. we didnt do it foe peterson, and apparently not for hopkins either.
which I am fine with. accountability hurts sometimes.